News: DMN: George: Cowboys want Murray back but source says no progress yet on new deal

[Toruk_Makto]

You're not dealing in reality. It will be much closer to 4 years/$27 million, $19 million guaranteed.

Could you also share the power ball winners for me?

 

[cowboys2233]

Could you also share the power ball winners for me?

Why? You live in a fantasy world anyway, just dream up a bunch of money.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Giving a second contract to a back who will be in his 30's at the end of it is paying age.

It's a horrible idea for a back who is far from special. He's a product of the OL. Get another and use those resources elsewhere.

I think you are really taking your viewpoint to the extreme. The only difference between Murray this year and any other is he stayed healthy. Last year, he had a higher YPC and he has had good seasons as a rookie and 2nd year player, he just couldn't stay on the field. To me, the devil is in the details. If we can get him signed to a 4 year deal so he will be 30 and not in his 30s when the deal is complete, then I'd say go for it, but we should not completely ignore the idea of him coming back.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Could you also share the power ball winners for me?

While $4 million per year may be the most you want to pay him, it is likely no where near what he will sign for. We may not budge off $4 million per, but some team will.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Here's my problem.

There's one reason, and one reason only, that you give a guy 400+ carries in a season. The reason is that you're milking him for all he's worth because you have no intention of bringing him back. If you work him like that and then re-sign him, it's a strong sign that your management process is broken.

The caveat is that if he surprises them by agreeing to a ridiculously cheap or short-term deal, then sure, why not sign him? But you don't sign him to what's likely to be his market value after u

You forgot another reason you give a RB 400 carries................you got nobody else.

Dunbar is too small to run between the tackles and Randal is horrible in pass protection..............that is why Murray never comes out of the game.

Look, I am not thrilled with the idea of resigning Murray to a fat contract either, especially with his fumble problems (probably costed us a trip to the NFCCG).....................but also know that we go nobody else right now that can do what Murray does.

Everybody says just draft a RB, but I find it laughable that a rookie RB is going to put up 1800 yards an lead the NFL in rushing his rookie season, especially a RB that is going to be drafted in the bottom of the first round or later.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Well, they're saying he's not Adrian Peterson. As of now. And 'as of now' is all that really matters for their purposes. To me, that reads that they're not going to give him big money.

I like how the Cowboys handle the public parts of their negotiations. Always very positive about the player. But it's pretty obvious what's going on here. They've got a number they're comfortable with for Murray, and it's not elite money. He'll have to get that elsewhere if he wants it. Though it is interesting (to me at least) that they reference another back who's still in the league and who might become available when they're talking about that baseline for a special player. Or, i guess, a 'differentiated' player.

Problem is, what if we don't get Peterson? Is the backup plan to draft a rookie RB, because Matt Forte, Frank Gore, and Justin Forsett are not coming cheap either.

If we line up a rookie RB on opening day, Dez can forget about seeing one on one coverage ever again..............no team is putting 8 guys in the box for a rookie RB, so Dez can expect to see double coverage all day.

Doesn't sound like a recipe for success to me....................if Murray is in the backfield, you will see 8 guys in the box and Dez single covered..................that is what losing Murray really means.

 

[JD_KaPow]

You forgot another reason you give a RB 400 carries................you got nobody else.

Dunbar is too small to run between the tackles and Randal is horrible in pass protection..............that is why Murray never comes out of the game.

Look, I am not thrilled with the idea of resigning Murray to a fat contract either, especially with his fumble problems (probably costed us a trip to the NFCCG).....................but also know that we go nobody else right now that can do what Murray does.

Everybody says just draft a RB, but I find it laughable that a rookie RB is going to put up 1800 yards an lead the NFL in rushing his rookie season, especially a RB that is going to be drafted in the bottom of the first round or later.

First of all, Murray's not going to put up 1800 yards next season; at least, you'd be crazy to expect it.
Second, Randle is not "horrible in pass protection." Williams certainly is.
Third, Murray got lots of garbage-time runs when everyone knew we'd be running and pass pro wasn't an issue at all.

There's no question that Murray is the best back on the roster. There's no question that there will be a drop-off if we lose him. (There's also a lot of risk that there will be a drop-off if we keep him, given the overwhelming history of guys with 400+ carries). The question is, for the money it would take to pay him, can you make up for that drop-off in other aspects of the team? I believe we can and then some, unless I'm wrong about his market value.

But I stand by the statement that they did not treat him like somebody they meant to keep around.

 

[CCBoy]

Tony Romo: I’m consistently getting on Jerry Jones about signing Dez Bryant and DeMarco Murray
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Jon Machota
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Tony Romo made it clear Friday morning that he’s doing everything he can to persuade Jerry Jones to keep both Dez Bryant and DeMarco Murray long-term.

Obviously, that’s easier said than done. There’s a business side to the game and keeping a pair of talented free agents like Bryant and Murray will be difficult.

But after an unexpected 12-4 season, Romo sees the opportunity the franchise currently has and he’s hoping Jones does everything he can to capitalize with this group.

“I’m pretty consistently [talking to Jones], and everyone around the building, about bringing them both back,” Romo said on 103.3 [KESN-FM]. “I think everybody understands how great these guys are and how lucky we are to have them.

“Any time you get talented guys where you can put more than two on one side of the ball, you get three, four, if you’re lucky enough to ever get five, it’s one of those things where if you can put a group like that together you can make a run and be very difficult for teams to deal with for years.

“I think that’s what you’re trying to build ultimately is to have sustained success. We have an opportunity to have that.”

 

[Beast_from_East]

Tony Romo: I’m consistently getting on Jerry Jones about signing Dez Bryant and DeMarco Murray
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Jon Machota
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Tony Romo made it clear Friday morning that he’s doing everything he can to persuade Jerry Jones to keep both Dez Bryant and DeMarco Murray long-term.

Obviously, that’s easier said than done. There’s a business side to the game and keeping a pair of talented free agents like Bryant and Murray will be difficult.

But after an unexpected 12-4 season, Romo sees the opportunity the franchise currently has and he’s hoping Jones does everything he can to capitalize with this group.

“I’m pretty consistently [talking to Jones], and everyone around the building, about bringing them both back,” Romo said on 103.3 [KESN-FM]. “I think everybody understands how great these guys are and how lucky we are to have them.

“Any time you get talented guys where you can put more than two on one side of the ball, you get three, four, if you’re lucky enough to ever get five, it’s one of those things where if you can put a group like that together you can make a run and be very difficult for teams to deal with for years.

“I think that’s what you’re trying to build ultimately is to have sustained success. We have an opportunity to have that.”

This makes sense giving the news in the last couple of days of Romo restructuring his contract.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Tony Romo: I’m consistently getting on Jerry Jones about signing Dez Bryant and DeMarco Murray
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Jon Machota
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Tony Romo made it clear Friday morning that he’s doing everything he can to persuade Jerry Jones to keep both Dez Bryant and DeMarco Murray long-term.

Obviously, that’s easier said than done. There’s a business side to the game and keeping a pair of talented free agents like Bryant and Murray will be difficult.

But after an unexpected 12-4 season, Romo sees the opportunity the franchise currently has and he’s hoping Jones does everything he can to capitalize with this group.

“I’m pretty consistently [talking to Jones], and everyone around the building, about bringing them both back,” Romo said on 103.3 [KESN-FM]. “I think everybody understands how great these guys are and how lucky we are to have them.

“Any time you get talented guys where you can put more than two on one side of the ball, you get three, four, if you’re lucky enough to ever get five, it’s one of those things where if you can put a group like that together you can make a run and be very difficult for teams to deal with for years.

“I think that’s what you’re trying to build ultimately is to have sustained success. We have an opportunity to have that.”

Tony put your money where your mouth is...

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Tony Romo: I’m consistently getting on Jerry Jones about signing Dez Bryant and DeMarco Murray
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Jon Machota
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Tony Romo made it clear Friday morning that he’s doing everything he can to persuade Jerry Jones to keep both Dez Bryant and DeMarco Murray long-term.

Obviously, that’s easier said than done. There’s a business side to the game and keeping a pair of talented free agents like Bryant and Murray will be difficult.

But after an unexpected 12-4 season, Romo sees the opportunity the franchise currently has and he’s hoping Jones does everything he can to capitalize with this group.

“I’m pretty consistently [talking to Jones], and everyone around the building, about bringing them both back,” Romo said on 103.3 [KESN-FM]. “I think everybody understands how great these guys are and how lucky we are to have them.

“Any time you get talented guys where you can put more than two on one side of the ball, you get three, four, if you’re lucky enough to ever get five, it’s one of those things where if you can put a group like that together you can make a run and be very difficult for teams to deal with for years.

“I think that’s what you’re trying to build ultimately is to have sustained success. We have an opportunity to have that.”

Of course he has, he knows better than any one how important Murray is to this team.

 

[Nightman]

Tony put your money where your mouth is...

He doesn't have to give back any more. He already left millions on the table with his last deal and Dallas doesn't need the money anyways. There is WAY more than enough to sign Dez, Murray, all our FAs and couple other FAs

 

[Idgit]

Problem is, what if we don't get Peterson? Is the backup plan to draft a rookie RB, because Matt Forte, Frank Gore, and Justin Forsett are not coming cheap either.

If we line up a rookie RB on opening day, Dez can forget about seeing one on one coverage ever again..............no team is putting 8 guys in the box for a rookie RB, so Dez can expect to see double coverage all day.

Doesn't sound like a recipe for success to me....................if Murray is in the backfield, you will see 8 guys in the box and Dez single covered..................that is what losing Murray really means.

I wasn't necessarily arguing that we should sign Peterson, only that it was interesting that Stephen mentioned that Murray basically is not Peterson.

Personally, I love Murray, but I think he's almost bound to be too expensive at any realistic price. I'm also in the very small minority in that I don't care very much what we do at RB as long as the options can pass block. If we don't sign Peterson or Murray to something reasonable, my preference is for a big carry-the-load back like maybe the MN kid (Cobb), or even Gurley if his injury drops him far enough to make sense. When Murray's Yards Before Contact outranks total yards for all but 10 or whatever teams (whatever it ended up being at the end of the year), that tells me something about how much I need to worry about replacing him. Granted, nobody we pick up short of Peterson is going to replace that production. But we don't really need to replace that production. I'd rather spend the resources on addressing the pass rush since that's something that actually ends up getting us beat by good teams.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Randal is horrible in pass protection

Since when? He was better than Murray this year according to the numbers posted in here a week or so ago.

 

[Idgit]

Since when? He was better than Murray this year according to the numbers posted in here a week or so ago.

He's not bad at it. The question on him was more that Murray was good at it and we weren't sure JR could do it at a similar level because we hadn't seen it. From what I"ve seen, he reads the pressure pretty well and gets in the way where he's suppose to, at least. He's just not a devastating blocker. I'd rather have a guy who could block like crazy, but that's something that also really has to be developed in the NFL.

 

[ilykdrama]

I know I might get killed for this....But I have a BIG problem with Murray not having great speed at times. It seems he had some holes this year that a lot of other RB's would've housed. It's probably pretty nit picky, but I never saw him outrunning hardly anyone. That along with having the worst timing in the league with fumbles.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

He's not bad at it. The question on him was more that Murray was good at it and we weren't sure JR could do it at a similar level because we hadn't seen it. From what I"ve seen, he reads the pressure pretty well and gets in the way where he's suppose to, at least. He's just not a devastating blocker. I'd rather have a guy who could block like crazy, but that's something that also really has to be developed in the NFL.

That's one of my biggest worries and one real reason I want DM back. To much to risk to the unknown.

 

[Idgit]

That's one of my biggest worries and one real reason I want DM back. To much to risk to the unknown.

It's my biggest worry, too. I'm only worried about the hangover from the 438 carries.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I know I might get killed for this....[/B]But I have a BIG problem with Murray not having great speed at times. It seems he had some holes this year that a lot of other RB's would've housed. It's probably pretty nit picky, but I never saw him outrunning hardly anyone. That along with having the worst timing in the league with fumbles.

With a name like ilykdrama?

It's my biggest worry, too. I'm only worried about the hangover from the 438 carries.

Hopefully if they do resign Murray, they find him some help to spell him now and then. I don't see that as Randle but the sample size is small to.

 

[Nightman]

If they aren't going to make a big flash on the DL in FA(Suh), they should definitely try hard to resign Murray

I would rather overspend by a few million then lose him over a couple million

Don't go crazy on the length or the guaranteed money, but give him a fair deal

The problem is they have to wait until he receives other offers or they are just bidding against themselves