News: DMN: Gosselin: Why Tony Romo isn't even close to Hall of Fame-worthy

[MichaelWinicki]

Maybe you meant this from a championship standpoint, but White wasn't near the QB that Romo is.

He's a career 59.7 percent passer with 155 TD passes and 132 ints. As a starter, he had two years with a passer rating over 90, with most years in the 80s and career rating of 81.7. I know it was a different era, but White would not have succeeded in this era and certainly not with this team and the parts he would have had around him, while Dallas might have added to its Super Bowl success if Romo had been the QB in the early 1980s. (In the late '80s, we were a hot mess.)

Just to contrast, Romo has a career 97.1 rating with 247 TDs to 117 ints and a 65.3 completion percentage. He has had only one season as a starter with less than a 91.0 rating (and that was last year when he played in four games) and he has had two over 100.

IMO, he is HOF worthy, but he won't get consideration unless he adds several playoff wins at least whether the defense is capable of helping him or not.

Romo is a terrific passer. Better than White. When it comes to actually being a (pardon the overused term here) "Field General" I think White was darned good.

The other thing is you can't compare passer ratings from one era to another... It simply doesn't work.

White carries the stigma of 3 NFC championship losses... but he got them there and that's worth something.

If Tony were to retire today he'd be known as a very good passer and probably an even better improviser. But he would carry the stigma of little in the way of playoff success with the most damaging being the Seattle WC game.

 

[CowboyChris]

What did they have in common, besides playing the quarterback position?

you got me and i remember all of them

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Romo is a terrific passer. Better than White. When it comes to actually being a (pardon the overused term here) "Field General" I think White was darned good.

The other thing is you can't compare passer ratings from one era to another... It simply doesn't work.

White carries the stigma of 3 NFC championship losses... but he got them there and that's worth something.

If Tony were to retire today he'd be known as a very good passer and probably an even better improviser. But he would carry the stigma of little in the way of playoff success with the most damaging being the Seattle WC game.

Of all our great QBs, Tony is the only one who hasn't played in a championship game. And I agree, Danny was real good. I was a big defender of his back then. The Cowboys competed until his injuries got to him and then the team completely fell apart. It doesn't matter anyway. Danny is thought of as a QB who couldn't get the Cowboys over the hump and Tony is thought of as a QB who flops in the playoffs. It's just the way it is.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

. Danny is thought of as a QB who couldn't get the Cowboys over the hump and Tony is thought of as a QB who flops in the playoffs. It's just the way it is.

There's the oft repeated statement "Perception is reality"... And in this case what you posted is the current perception of White and Romo.

White can't change his.

Romo still has a little time to change his.

 

[casmith07]

There's the oft repeated statement "Perception is reality"... And in this case what you posted is the current perception of White and Romo.

White can't change his.

Romo still has a little time to change his.

And then, as it tends to go with Tony Romo, there will be another excuse or hurdle created that will be used to artificially measure his worth and skill as a pro quarterback.

There was no such thing as tracking "win and you're in" games until Tony Romo came along. Same with the oft-cited measure of what I assume is "elite" -- "playoff wins."

By the numbers and by the content of his character as a person, Tony Romo is a Hall of Fame quarterback, and there really shouldn't even be a debate. Without a Super Bowl he won't be a first ballot player, and I'd venture to say that even with a Super Bowl he won't be first ballot either -- there is just that much ire and hate directed at him despite all quantifiable evidence to the contrary.

 

[casmith07]

Of all our great QBs, Tony is the only one who hasn't played in a championship game. And I agree, Danny was real good. I was a big defender of his back then. The Cowboys competed until his injuries got to him and then the team completely fell apart. It doesn't matter anyway. Danny is thought of as a QB who couldn't get the Cowboys over the hump and Tony is thought of as a QB who flops in the playoffs. It's just the way it is.

And it's the biggest load of bollocks in professional sports. Football is the only place where people throw out the factual information that there are 21 other guys out there playing as well as a couple specialists, and that the other 53 guys are actually trying to win too...

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

And it's the biggest load of bollocks in professional sports. Football is the only place where people throw out the factual information that there are 21 other guys out there playing as well as a couple specialists, and that the other 53 guys are actually trying to win too...

QBs are judged differently than any other player. It might not be fair but that's the way it is. I don't even know why everyone's talking about this again since it's been talked about on here again and again. Tony is a great player. We are lucky to have him. But he's going to be judged by his playoff success.

 

[eternaljester81]

The 2007 and 2014 teams I believe they would.

So you're saying Crayton would have caught the ball, or completed his route in 2007, and the Dez pass would have been ruled complete in 2014, if Troy had been the QB?

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

So you're saying Crayton would have caught the ball, or completed his route in 2007, and the Dez pass would have been ruled complete in 2014, if Troy had been the QB?

I'm saying it might not have came down to that. Tony did not play all that great in 2007. As for 2014, I don't blame Tony for that loss but I was told Troy wouldn't have won with any of Tony's teams. I disagree. I think Tony could have won with that 2014 team and so would Troy. And I know Joe Montana would have. You put Emmitt and Michael on those teams and I think they win too.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I remember the debates (offline back then) about Dan Fouts getting into hall without winning or even getting to a SB.

The thing about Fouts...

1978 NFL 83.0 (3)
1979 NFL 82.6 (3)
1980 NFL 84.7 (6)
1981 NFL 90.6 (2)
1982 NFL 93.3 (2)
1983 NFL 92.5 (6)
1984 NFL 83.4 (8)
1985 NFL 88.1 (4)

You also have:
1982 NFL PFWA MVP
1982 NFL Newspaper Ent. Assoc. MVP
1982 NFL AP Offensive Player of the Year

Fouts was 3-4 in the playoffs.

Now compare to Tony's...

2006 NFL 95.1 (5)
2007 NFL 97.4 (5)
2008 NFL 91.4 (8)
2009 NFL 97.6 (8)
2011 NFL 102.5 (4/53)
2012 NFL 90.5 (10)
2013 NFL 96.7 (8)
2014 NFL 113.2 (1/6)

And he's 2-4 in the playoffs.

Why Fouts and not Romo?

I think Fouts was a little more dominant.

Also that 1982 MVP is big.

In addition even though Fouts had a losing playoff record he's viewed as the "victor" in what many believe to be the greatest playoff game ever vs. the Dolphins. That was his shining moment and many of the voters at the time no doubt remembered that.

Tony has no such shining moment in the playoffs that folks will remember.

Warren Moon was a later guy who may be a better comparison to Tony...

1988 NFL 88.4 (5)
1989 NFL 88.9 (4)
1990 NFL 96.8 (2)
1991 NFL 81.7 (10)
1992 NFL 89.3 (4)
1995 NFL 91.5 (7)

1990 NFL AP Offensive Player of the Year

And Moon was only 3-7 in the playoffs.

What got Moon in was his ridiculous number of passing yards (at the time). Tony is about 15,000 yards behind Moon.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Just for grins here are some other HOF QB's...

Jim Kelly:


1986 NFL 83.3 (8)
1987 NFL 83.8 (10)
1989 NFL 86.2 (6)
1990 NFL 101.2 (1/68)
1991 NFL 97.6 (3)
1992 NFL 81.2 (10)
1994 NFL 84.6 (7)

Fran Tarkenton:

1961 NFL 74.7 (7)
1963 NFL 78.0 (7)
1964 NFL 91.8 (3)
1965 NFL 83.8 (6)
1966 NFL 73.8 (6)
1967 NFL 85.9 (2)
1968 NFL 84.6 (5)
1969 NFL 87.2 (2)
1970 NFL 82.2 (4)
1972 NFL 80.2 (4)
1973 NFL 93.2 (2)
1974 NFL 82.1 (7)
1975 NFL 91.8 (2)
1976 NFL 89.3 (6)
1977 NFL 69.2 (9)

He was the 1975 MVP of the league.

Dan Marino:

1983 NFL 96.0 (3)
1984 NFL 108.9 (1/21)
1985 NFL 84.1 (5)
1986 NFL 92.5 (2)
1987 NFL 89.2 (4)
1988 NFL 80.8 (10)
1990 NFL 82.6 (8)
1991 NFL 85.8 (7)
1992 NFL 85.1 (7)
1994 NFL 89.2 (3)
1995 NFL 90.8 (8)
1996 NFL 87.8 (6)
And he was the 1984 NFL MVP.

 

[Kevinicus]

I think he is undoubtedly worthy. Whether or not he gets in is another matter. As stupid as it is (and it is very dumb), he will be judged on the team's accomplishments more than his own. So, unfortunately, he won't get in unless the team wins a superbowl. Even if his career rating ends up over 100, he has 400 tds, and 50,000 yds.

 

[percyhoward]

Why Fouts and not Romo?

I think Fouts was a little more dominant.

Fouts, Don Coryell, and the 1978 rule changes. Perfect (offensive) storm.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Why Romo and not Garrett?

 

[Nova]

I don't think he's worthy, but no one asked the question goose (you jerk).

 

[bodi]

Saying that White led the Cowboys anywhere (except to the bank to cash their checks) shows ignorance on a gigantic level. He did no such thing.

White inherited a championship contender team in the pre free agency, salary cap era. After Staubach led the league in passing his final two years (and led in adjusted yards per attempt his last three years), White immediately comes in and tosses 25 interceptions and the team sees its adjusted yards per attempt drop by a whopping yard and a half. That the team was able to still get back to the championship after such a dramatic drop in QB play is nothing short of miraculous. White didn't lead anyone anywhere, he was dragged kicking and screaming into the playoffs by his teammates despite his best efforts.



Danny did play better the next two years, and he had big shoes to fill and did his best. But he wasn't one of the best players or one of the leaders of the team and no one thought that he was either.

your opinion

 

[lurkercowboy]

Some teams have passionate advocates among the HOF voters, but Dallas doesn't have that. If Gosselin was a stronger advocate there would be more Cowboys in the HOF I think.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Some teams have passionate advocates among the HOF voters, but Dallas doesn't have that. If Gosselin was a stronger advocate there would be more Cowboys in the HOF I think.

I can name quite a few Cowboys that should be in the HOF. The Steelers have just about everybody that was any good in there. If Tony was on the Steelers, he'd probably have a better shot.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Cowboys team success for the remainder of his career will determine his HoF ticket

I am of this opinion too.


But.... I want an unbiased answer to the question...

Is he hall of fame worthy?

I don't feel like looking it up and comparing. If I had to guess based on what I have seen... What I know....

I would say yes!

 

[Sarge]

Not that it matters, but I bet if you asked 100 NON-COWBOY fans if Romo was HOF worthy right now, you'd be looking at in the area of 10-15% and possibly even less than that.