DMN: Message to Spears?

[CaptainAmerica]

Remember guys that BP was NOT going to pick Jackson; he wanted Kevin Jones. No matter what your fantasy's were, we were never going to get Jackson.

But again, that's not the point. All that means is Parcells would have made another bad draft decision. By all accounts Jackson was a top 10 rated player and was the clear #1 RB in the draft that year and we had a crying need for RB. Stupid decision in hindsight.

Now if Quinn, (who I did not want), turns out to be another Brady, as Weis says he will, we might have really messed up! (Depending on the results of the Browns #1 pick.)

 

[superpunk]

Marcus spears just turns me off, I really have soured on him more than any other player. It all started when I listened to his tuesday night radio show with brad sham last year and he said the defense was too hard and no one else has to do what they do around the league.

BOO friggin HOO

People just don't get this.

Yes, the scheme they ran was difficult.

Yes, you don't get your name up in pretty lights all that often, and Spears was out of the game when chances for sacks were available (likely because he's a terrible pass rusher moreso than anything.)

So sure, it was a tough road. It's a tough defense to play. But no matter what, you play the hell out of it. That's what we saw our real playmakers do. No matter what, they gave it everything they had. And you couldn't hide that in a bushel basket, because there isn't a scheme in existence that can hide talent completely. The players that didn't perform, did so because they just aren't that good - not because they were being held back by some stubborn old archaic coot who ran a defense that other teams could ONLY figure out in December.

It's not so much about the scheme. It's always the players. Or so our current coach would have you believe. But maybe the game has passed him by, too.

 

[Hostile]

From Mac Engel's Column today posted in the Daily Zone...

Spears stays on the field
Defensive end Marcus Spears was an aberration. Not only one of the few Cowboys starters in the opening lineup, he also played into the fourth quarter.
The absence of recently injured Marcus Smith meant the Cowboys only had Jason Hatcher and Spears to play the position.




Translation...he was not being played to signal a potential trade. He was not being punished. They didn't want to overplay recently recovered from a hamstring injury Jason Hatcher and risk losing him.

 

[dmq]

From Mac Engel's Column today posted in the Daily Zone...

Spears stays on the field
Defensive end Marcus Spears was an aberration. Not only one of the few Cowboys starters in the opening lineup, he also played into the fourth quarter.
The absence of recently injured Marcus Smith meant the Cowboys only had Jason Hatcher and Spears to play the position.




Translation...he was not being played to signal a potential trade. He was not being punished. They didn't want to overplay recently recovered from a hamstring injury Jason Hatcher and risk losing him.

All this may be true, but did he make any plays against the backups?

 

[Teague31]

last years scheme was to simple, this years is too hard. this from the guy who earlier said if he couldn't play in this scheme then he just couldn't play. how prophetic.

 

[theebs]

From Mac Engel's Column today posted in the Daily Zone...

Spears stays on the field
Defensive end Marcus Spears was an aberration. Not only one of the few Cowboys starters in the opening lineup, he also played into the fourth quarter.
The absence of recently injured Marcus Smith meant the Cowboys only had Jason Hatcher and Spears to play the position.




Translation...he was not being played to signal a potential trade. He was not being punished. They didn't want to overplay recently recovered from a hamstring injury Jason Hatcher and risk losing him.

I dont think anyone thinks he will be traded. I mean seriously we dont have the depth to move him and what in the world would another team give up for him. Try placing a value on this guy, seems very difficult.

My personal problem with him is he is always yapping in the media and he jumps around like a pompous *** on the field, and he never makes any plays.

He just isnt a very good player right now. Hopefully that will change, but I think he is well on his way to being a role player. WHen he becomes a role player I am sure he will complain and say he was wronged and call out the coaches.

 

[theebs]

People just don't get this.

Yes, the scheme they ran was difficult.

Yes, you don't get your name up in pretty lights all that often, and Spears was out of the game when chances for sacks were available (likely because he's a terrible pass rusher moreso than anything.)

So sure, it was a tough road. It's a tough defense to play. But no matter what, you play the hell out of it. That's what we saw our real playmakers do. No matter what, they gave it everything they had. And you couldn't hide that in a bushel basket, because there isn't a scheme in existence that can hide talent completely. The players that didn't perform, did so because they just aren't that good - not because they were being held back by some stubborn old archaic coot who ran a defense that other teams could ONLY figure out in December.

It's not so much about the scheme. It's always the players. Or so our current coach would have you believe. But maybe the game has passed him by, too.

Your completely right. I remember listening to him saying that stuff last year and then remember him saying on the day he was drafted, he told mickey spagnola "it doesnt matter where they use me, IF they want me to take out the trash I will take out the trash"

He essentially was outplayed by kenyon coleman who the team let go(Big Mistake in my opinion) and then he cried like a little girl when parcells called him out and he didnt play any better, he whined on the radio to brad sham on his show two straight weeks.

Kenyon coleman might have been a good fit in this defense, Hopefully hatcher is healthy because if he is there is no way spears can hold him off.

JUst watch last nights game, hatcher and spears both playing late in the game against the same group and hatcher was about to hit the qb everytime and he was flying off the line off scrimmage. Spears was essentially dancing with the offensive lineman.

 

[Hostile]

I dont think anyone thinks he will be traded. I mean seriously we dont have the depth to move him and what in the world would another team give up for him. Try placing a value on this guy, seems very difficult.

My personal problem with him is he is always yapping in the media and he jumps around like a pompous *** on the field, and he never makes any plays.

He just isnt a very good player right now. Hopefully that will change, but I think he is well on his way to being a role player. WHen he becomes a role player I am sure he will complain and say he was wronged and call out the coaches.

Post #12.

 

[theebs]

Post #12.

ok nobody but mash thinks he will be traded!! lol

The rest of us no it is not even an option!

 

[YosemiteSam]

 

[Mash]

ok nobody but mash thinks he will be traded!! lol

The rest of us no it is not even an option!

Well....I didnt quite say that but....ok....I would trade him in a heart beat...

Both Spears and Carp have been disappointments as 1st rd picks....IMHO....expectations are so much higher when a player is drafted that high....unfair? maybe....they havent shown anything yet in their young careers....3 yr rule? on a 1st rd picks?

But Big Bill sure messed up if these two players dont pan out......Jerry Jones drafting Pittman and Ekuban 2? Jerry got roasted.....

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

If the level of play from pre-season continues, expect Hatcher to replace Spears in the Starting role by mid-season.

 

[YosemiteSam]

If the level of play from pre-season continues, expect Hatcher to replace Spears in the Starting role by mid-season.

See, I'm not so sure this happens. Jason Hatcher is a better pass rusher, but Spears has some pass rush ability and is better against the run. (The game starts with 1st downs) Though, if Hatcher improves against the run, then you very well could be right which would leave Spears out in the cold.

 

[burmafrd]

Spears talked a lot and so far has done nothing. Hatcher, I really believe, if he had not tweaked his hammy, would be starting against the midgets.

 

[TunaFan33]

But again, that's not the point. All that means is Parcells would have made another bad draft decision. By all accounts Jackson was a top 10 rated player and was the clear #1 RB in the draft that year and we had a crying need for RB. Stupid decision in hindsight.

Now if Quinn, (who I did not want), turns out to be another Brady, as Weis says he will, we might have really messed up! (Depending on the results of the Browns #1 pick.)

Not to mention too Jackson grew up a Cowboys fan. You could see the look on his face when Dallas passed him over that day.

 

[WR17]

Not to mention too Jackson grew up a Cowboys fan. You could see the look on his face when Dallas passed him over that day.

Thats funny, Julius Jones and Thomas Jones are die hard Skins fans

 

[burmafrd]

Thing is people keep throwing the trade in on every discussion about JJ and Spears. I try and keep reminding people that Jackson was NEVER going to be here. We lucked out since Kevin Jones has been more injured then JJ by a long shot. Spears had the pedigree, the ink, the rating by scouts as a top 3-4 DE. It is turning out that he is not a whole lot different then Rogers in that the great College Rep he had has not translated into the pros. That happens a whole lot, and it is one of the reasons that the draft is not a sure thing. Still it is interesting how well BP has done with the second day picks, especially the late ones.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Not to mention too Jackson grew up a Cowboys fan. You could see the look on his face when Dallas passed him over that day.

Probably the same look I had on my face. I was jumping up and down when our pick came up and Jackson was still on the board. Dumb me, I thought it was a no brainer! Didn't think Julius was all that sepcial in College, so I was stumped when we got him. Of course, I was eating my words for the last half of his rookie season.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I dont think anyone thinks he will be traded. I mean seriously we dont have the depth to move him and what in the world would another team give up for him. Try placing a value on this guy, seems very difficult.

My personal problem with him is he is always yapping in the media and he jumps around like a pompous *** on the field, and he never makes any plays.

Yep... He seems like one of those guys who thinks he's already accomplished something.

People have talked about a bunch of LSU players being busts lately. Now I have nothing against LSU -- I kinda like them, actually. And they always have tons of talent, as everyone knows. But that's such a big-time program, and the players are SO loved there, that sometimes I wonder if they haven't gotten too much adulation at too young an age. They come into the pros, and it's like they're already great players. They're not. No matter how talented you are, you have to love what you do and practice and play like crazy to succeed at this level.

Contrast the attitude he seems to have with a guy like Hatcher, who is pretty much an unknown guy from nowhere who is trying to make his way in this league.

What's ironic is that Parcells is a guy who always complained about young players getting too full of themselves too soon these days, and here one of his pet cats seems to have that exact problem.

Anyway... Just a theory.

 

[Dodger12]

Classic case of giving up a great player for 2 average players. Sometimes trading down is good, but sometimes you just have to take the guy that has superstar potential. Hope we aren't saying this about our last draft, lol, even though I really didn't want Quinn.

We know about Spears, but man I hope we don't have another in the making in Spencer. He is so invisible out there, he is still young and learning, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now. But if those two can't dominate guys who will bagging groceries next week, well, that isn't too exciting.

If anyone really thought that Steven Jackson had superstar potential, he would have gone allot earlier than the 24th pick. Jackson had some questions coming out of college, one being his speed and the other that he wouldn't be able to punish his way through NFL tacklers like he did in college. Unfortunately for us, that was a weak draft class for RB's. But he fell right to St. Louis who had a dire need at RB because Marshall Faulk was on his last leg (no pun intended), not because they saw superstar potential that fell in the draft. It was a perfect marriage for a team with all pro talent at QB and WR. Props to Jackson, but I don't think many NFL GM's saw a potential MVP candidate in the making.