DMN: Safety Roy Williams wants Dallas Cowboys to act today

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Actually Terry never had a chance to do anything since its pretty clear his knee is done.
 
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Unfortunately Roy cannot play linebacker or safety in a 3-4 defense! His lack of coverage skills prevents this from happening. He needs to be traded if possible. If he is released I think a 4-3 team will pick him up pretty fast. This is a decision that the top brass has to make but there is no necessity to hurry. The team's priorities take precedentent over Roy's wishes.
 

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AKATheRake;2664833 said:
:bow: Pretty much. I say we trade him to Oakland for Michael Huff, another guy who hasn't done squat the last 2 years. Re-structured contract of course. Maybe Campo can resurrect this 25 year old from Texas. I'll take a flyer on this guy since who knows whats going to be available on draft day. Want some type of insurance at the safety position and Keith Davis and Pat Watkins isn't it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97VS9_NpC60

Here's his college highlight vid. Gets to the ball and has good pursuit, good hands for picks. His problem is tackling technique if you ask me. The players in the NFL are to big and strong to tackle the way he does. Plus he came from a big college and then goes to a shlup franchise like the Raiders where the mentality was a joke. He needs a change of scenery and maybe being star struck can wake him up.

I do like Michael Huff.... But I rather have Roy Williams for Shaun Rogers....
 

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AMERICAS_FAN;2665040 said:
Visions of the end of Terry Glenn's career come to mind. Glenn was acting like he was all that, posturing in front of Jerry Jones. In the end, Jones just took more time and Glenn got cut with NO opportunity before him. If he had just worked WITH Jones, maybe he could have contributed in 2008 coming off the bench - maybe even help the team make it to the playoffs - and from there, who knows? But instead of realizing his last real shot at winning somrthing meaningfull, he got a big head and now he's nowhere.

Roy Williams, pay attention, because you are no longer a starting calliber SS, worthy/talented enough to be making these kinds of demands. What you should forst do is re-struvture your contract to a cap friendly form that pays you like the backup you are. That will make you more attractive in the market, give you leverage to select some teams you may want to go to, help the trade be pulled off with a friendlier contract, and if none of that works, then Dallas can justify keeping you at an attractive price as the role player you are.

Or, you can continue to be ignorant, forcing Dallas to ultimately cut you at the most inopportune time, forcing them to get NOTHINMG for you, and frcing you to get even less, as you watch the 2009 NFL season from your sofa. Realize that like Terry Gelenn you are just a JAG, but don't be as dtubbourne as Glenn was.

Yup, as I said in previous posts throughout this thread, Jones can always "Terry Glenn" Roy if Roy wants to be a prick and purposely kill his trade value which seems to be the case. Roy should restructure as he said he would before FA. Now that he sees Dawkins get truckloads of cash while being beyond 30, Roy now has a different idea while keeping Jerry's guaranteed money owed the next 2 seasons.

Suddenly restructuring isn't a good idea anymore but trying to get a knee jerk reaction out of us and "act today" is huh? What other action could we accomplish on the spot like this? Decide he gets to play for this ridiculous contract or release him so he can get another ridiculous one with us getting no value out of doing so? Where else can you get an advance (accelerated signing bonus) and a new contract paying you more than you're worth (an unrightful raise) at the same time?

What about this local church he is so attached too and this community he has apparently structured so much charity and time too? All of a sudden it's that easy isn't it Roy? But yeah, this is about respect to some so called fans. Jerry pays his guys and doesn't hesitate to do so. Very rarely does he ask guys to restructure also. The last thing Jerry wants is the players to stop focusing on winning and production and instead the financials. Jerry's proven that throughout the years when it comes to the players.
 

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RealCowboyfan;2665061 said:
I do like Michael Huff.... But I rather have Roy Williams for Shaun Rogers....

Oh me too. I rather give the Browns the 2nd and Roy for Rogers and a 4th in a heart beat. Rogers and a 6th in a heartbeat. Is Cleveland feeling like sucking up that $20 million signing bonus they gave Rogers last year though? Doubt it and that's why they won't trade him. Al will cough up Huff right now though since he's almost ready to release him. If we can't get any trade value for Roy we might as well get a guy like Huff who we may be able to salvage. He played for Texas also.
 

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How many people wanted Roy Williams to make this tackle or that tackle or not lose a TE in coverage?

Yeah Roy, like the song goes...you can't always get what you want.
 

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does matter either way what roy wants or doesn't want. he is under contract and will do whatever jerry jones wants him to do. he has zero leverage. he is an underperforming high draft pick who has gotten worse and worse (albeit still above average IMO). he is weak in coverage (overplayed in media IMO) and takes poor angles. he doesn't even hit and tackle like he used to. and now he hasn't played for almost a year. his trade value might be next to nothing.

he has no say in it so he might as well keep quiet instead of acting up like a spoiled brat. if he doesn't like it, feel free to give jerry his money back on a poor investment. the more you talk roy...the more you sound like a whiner. blah blah i am a 4-3 safety blah blah tell me today. boo hoo. i have never heard of a safety being reliant on what scheme the front 7 plays until his excuses came up. maybe roy doesn't fit wade's 3-4 scheme...but then again he hasn't been good since parcells. truth is he hasn't been good since woody left. i'm not sure why, i've always rooted for the guy.


superonyx;2664871 said:
The broncos couldnt even get a 1st rounder out of Cutler.

wrong. they had a #1 pick on the table and decided not to help the broncos and josh mcdaniels.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-6-0/Why-would-Pats-turn-down-12th-pick-for-Cassel-.html

ESPN's Chris Mortensen has since reported there was a much better offer on the table, that the Patriots passed on the 12th overall pick in a three-way trade that would've sent Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
 

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I know that I'd personally like to see Roy return to his form of his first few years. He was one of my favorite players, still is but that's more just being a fan of him than his still being one of our best players.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2665097 said:
I know that I'd personally like to see Roy return to his form of his first few years. He was one of my favorite players, still is but that's more just being a fan of him than his still being one of our best players.

Me too. But ever since Woody stopped playing he regressed. He didn't prepare as well nor have the same drive. Woody created incentives for Roy to be the best in the league. Made Roy want to prepare. Roy coming out of College was 1 of a kind but he became obviously reliant on Woody mentally. He was still good 2 years after but just wasn't the same passionate player after Kelly Rowlen dumped him.
 

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why would anyone trade for a DB who can't cover anyone? just cut him and let's move on.
 

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Roy's case is a very sad one to me personally. I don't think he has lost the skill that made him a great player several years back, it is simply that the game has passed Roy Williams by. He never was great at coverage, but that is exectly what you need in both safety positions in this new era of the NFL.

He was one of the few positives we had for his first few years in the league and I will always remember him fondly for it, but his best days are behind him and in return for underperforming his contract the last few years, he must now wait until the time is right for Dallas to either trade or release him.

Best of luck Roy!
 

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One thing i won’t miss about Roy, is the constant excuses that have been made for him. Those stated in this thread are classics. The thing that bugs me is that when some of us saw his play decline two years ago, the term Roy hater was used often. No, it was the evil media these super duper Cowboy fan elites said. Sometimes homer glasses can blind good fans.

Simply put...Roy Sucks.
 

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Everlastingxxx;2665185 said:
One thing i won’t miss about Roy, is the constant excuses that have been made for him. Those stated in this thread are classics. The thing that bugs me is that when some of us saw his play decline two years ago, the term Roy hater was used often. No, it was the evil media these super duper Cowboy fan elites said. Sometimes homer glasses can blind good fans.

Simply put...Roy Sucks.

I'm tired of watching him in the end zone pointing and blaming someone else in a Cowboys uniform as an opposing WR/TE spikes the ball.
 

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There would definately be uses for him on the team if he were to stay... but not at his current salary.

He could do exactly what Kevin Burnett did for us the last couple of seasons. His coverage might be weak for a safety, but he covers well for a LB.

If he would get his nasty attitude back and take a pay cut, he could really contribute. Alas though, both of those appear unlikely at best.

This looks like farewell.
 

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Safety Williams Wants Out Of Dallas By Today
Posted by jellis at 3/3/2009 11:08 AM CST on truebluefanclub.com

Heading into the draft in 2002, safety Roy Williams made it clear he wanted to play for the Cowboys. Now, nearly seven years and five Pro Bowls later, Williams is ready to part ways with the team.

Jordan Woy, the agent for Williams, has asked the team to trade or release the safety by today. The Cowboys had been shopping Williams in a trade, but can’t seem to find any takers. Letting Williams go would save the Cowboys about $2 million in cap space.

Woy spoke to KTCK (1310-AM) about Williams’ situation this morning. The transcript of the interview is below.

From a player’s standpoint, is it the sooner you get in the free agent market the better?

Woy: “There’s no question. Roy’s enjoyed his time with Dallas and liked playing for the Cowboys, but once you know that’s come to an end, the sooner you can get out there the better because as everybody knows, in free agency day-by-day-by-day as players are getting signed the money that’s available starts to go down and starts to eventually run out. So the sooner that he gets out there, the better for his opportunities.

Is it safe to assume then that Williams’ career in Dallas is over?

Woy: “I would say that’s probably correct.”

Do you detect that the Cowboys are getting any interest in the trade market?

Woy: “I know that they’ve had some good talks. But like everything else it comes down to, teams have to look at a player’s salary cap number, they have to look at how does this fit in, how does it affect our cap. I think there’s been some good constructive talks. Whether something will get done or not, it’s hard for me to say. It’s hard to trade a player who has a high salary . . . Teams realize if a trade doesn’t work out they’ll have a shot at picking a player up without any draft compensation, and that’s obviously what they prefer to do because draft picks are very important to every team.

Have any teams whispered to you that if Roy is available to be sure to call them?

Woy: “I was at the Combine for about five days, and you talk to a lot of teams and you run into a lot of people and everybody kind of keeps their eyes and ears open to who may or may not be out there. I don’t think there’s any question, there are a handful of teams I think will show interest in Roy and will think Roy will be a good fit for them. But no, I haven’t had any types of substantial talks or anything like that with any teams at this point. We’re waiting until the Cowboys make their decision on either to trade or release him and then we’ll hit the ground running from there.

What happened to Roy? His first few years he was a better player.

Woy: “I think the defensive scheme changed. In the early days Roy was much more up on the line and attacking plays and doing his thing. In the defense they’ve moved to in the last few years, he’s more a guy who’s back off the line, he has to do a lot more covering. It just doesn’t play into Roy’s style of play as well.

-Josh Ellis

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WoodysGirl;2665217 said:
Have any teams whispered to you that if Roy is available to be sure to call them?

Woy: “I was at the Combine for about five days, and you talk to a lot of teams and you run into a lot of people and everybody kind of keeps their eyes and ears open to who may or may not be out there. I don’t think there’s any question, there are a handful of teams I think will show interest in Roy and will think Roy will be a good fit for them. But no, I haven’t had any types of substantial talks or anything like that with any teams at this point. We’re waiting until the Cowboys make their decision on either to trade or release him and then we’ll hit the ground running from there.
Woy is certainly doing a lot of talking on behalf of his client and admittingly not enough work on his client's behalf should Roy Williams' wish to be released from his current contract comes true. What's Woy's holdup in securing his client's future outside of Dallas? "Media interviews"???
 

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I can see ROY now.....throwing up his arms and looking around....pointing to his agent...."it wasn't me, it was my agent"....."go blame him".....
 

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Canadian BoyzFan;2665194 said:
I'm tired of watching him in the end zone pointing and blaming someone else in a Cowboys uniform as an opposing WR/TE spikes the ball.

Don't forget then refusing to accept any level of responsibility and then insulting our intelligence by saying "you don't know the coverages".

Its one thing to be defensive. It is another to finger point plain as day on the field and expect any level of respect for that.
 

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DallasEast;2665243 said:
Woy is certainly doing a lot of talking on behalf of his client and admittingly not enough work on his client's behalf should Roy Williams' wish to be released from his current contract comes true. What's Woy's holdup in securing his client's future outside of Dallas? "Media interviews"???
I think it would be considered tampering. While Dallas may be shopping Roy, they haven't given him or his agent permission to seek a trade partner.

I think the fact that he's gauged some teams interest suggest that he is working on behalf of his client. He and Roy both know that the team is under no obligation to oblige their wishes. So this is when going to the media works "for" you rather than against you.
 
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