DMN: Safety Roy Williams wants Dallas Cowboys to act today

[wileedog]

Get him in the right scheme, and he can be a playmaker again. .

Rookie Roy Williams is like Elvis around here.

That player is long long, and there is no scheme that is going to suddenly make Roy a legitimate Pro Bowl safety again. We have a better chance of Woody coming out of retirement.

 

[cowboyjoe]

woodys girl made a point im trying to make, if roy williams gets his wish and gets released, you get nothing for him, player exchange or draft pick. I didnt know this, but adam said since if he is released you dont get a compensation pick.

if greg ellis sees this, he will gripe and moan more till he gets his release, and you dont get any player exchange or draft pick for him. I say at least keep them both till draft, and see if you can get a player during the draft exchange or draft pick. At least something,

 

[Merlin]

Yes, lets have Roy in the nickel package, thats just what we need...
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Thats nickel LB. It could be just what we need. Someone has to do it if Burnett is not resigned.

 

[AdamJT13]

What happened to Adam's stats that says Roy W is still one of the top 2-3 SS in the NFL and easily better than Troy P at Steel.

Sorry, but I never said Roy is still one of the top two or three strong safeties. A few years ago, he was. But not today.

BTW...I quit listening to those stats when he said the same thing about D. Johnson at Center, who hasn't seen the field since we got rid of him.

I certainly never said Al Johnson was one of the best centers at any point in his career. I said he wasn't nearly as bad as some people thought, and that another team would pay him pretty good money and make him their starter, which is exactly what happened.

 

[BAT]

Rookie Roy Williams is like Elvis around here.

That player is long long, and there is no scheme that is going to suddenly make Roy a legitimate Pro Bowl safety again. We have a better chance of Woody coming out of retirement.

And you are certain of this ..... how? He played in a different scheme early in his career, and he was dominant. Scheme changed, responsibilities changed, his performance was impacted.


It is not like Roy suffered from some injury, or is too old, the constant is that the scheme & his responsibilities changed.


At least I have a basis to make my point, what do YOU have? I forgot, your haterade makes all your opinions about Roy more relevant.

 

[Alexander]

It doesn't.

Truthfully, the fact that they haven't commented is on par with what they normally do with regards to player contracts.

Honestly, if the Cowboys don't release him, then I'm putting this on Greg Ellis watch.

Basically watch Ellis piss and moan all offseason and the Cowboys ignore him.

You can thank Greg Ellis for this. It was Jones' acquiescence dealing with him and his "commitments" that set this type of precedent to begin with. These players know all they have to do is ask and they will get their way.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Can we safely say that Roy doesn't want to reconstructure? Because I'm pretty sure they would have asked him that question by now.

 

[cowboyjoe]

but this is my point, jerry jones and wade says he will get tougher etc, even jerry jones said he will find out what players arent giving their all.

but seems like same ole same ole, jerry jones gives in to the players demands etc. Thats what im trying to point to, doesnt this needs to be pointed out to him that the players are wallking over him and getting away with stuff, with griping and complaing.

And yes, i was one of the ones that said, its time for roy williams to put up or shut up last year. To me when a player doesnt work out with his teammates, skips a week of OTAs for vacation when he knew when OTAs were, and has to have darren woodson make him sit down and study film and not sneak out after practice, then i question that players attitude, desire and loyalty to the team.

At the same time, to me you can get or should be able to get something for roy williams safety and maybe greg ellis like someone suggested, package them both and ship them off to some other team.

Just dont give in to their demands, because when you do to me, your saying to the other players your not getting tough and the players know it. And no tough get tough policy is in place, it all starts with jerry jones and stephen jones, they have to get tough on the players, contract wise, personnel wise and demanding accoountablilty from the players.

 

[Avery]

Trade him for a 7th, it's better than nothing.

All those old RW vs. ST debates can finally be laid to rest - ST was the better player.

 

[AdamJT13]

Trade him for a 7th, it's better than nothing.

All those old RW vs. ST debates can finally be laid to rest - ST was the better player.

Roy was the better player in all but Taylor's final season.

 

[Doomsay]

And you are certain of this ..... how? He played in a different scheme early in his career, and he was dominant. Scheme changed, responsibilities changed, his performance was impacted.


It is not like Roy suffered from some injury, or is too old, the constant is that the scheme & his responsibilities changed.


At least I have a basis to make my point, what do YOU have? I forgot, your haterade makes all your opinions about Roy more relevant.

He only did well when Woody was taking care of the backfield. Over the past few years, he was exposed as a coverage liability and proved to not be a force at the LOS when they tried to accomodate his weaknesses.

Roy is overpaid, exposed and risk averse (self admitted). I'm fine with cutting him, nobody is interested in him at this salary, and we aren't even interested in restructuring him at this point, which should tell you plenty.

 

[AdamJT13]

He only did well when Woody was taking care of the backfield.

Five interceptions, four forced fumbles and two touchdowns in a seven-game span isn't "doing well"?

Tough crowd.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Ahhh I love this debate. This is probably the best, and most fun, debate of any of those that we have routinely on these forums.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ahhh I love this debate. This is probably the best, and most fun, debate of any of those that we have routinely on these forums.

and something new is brought to the discussion every time they appear

 

[Rampage]

dude hasn't made a play since like week 4 of the 2007 season. get rid of him now Jerry.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

dude hasn't made a play since like week 4 of the 2007 season. get rid of him now Jerry.

im with ya.

 

[superonyx]

The kind of fan I am is about wanting a winning team, period. Roy has been paid well on two contracts and has not lived up to expectations. He has the nerve to complain? I am about the star first over any player's needs or wants.

Too bad Roy doesnt like waiting for JJ to fix a problem Roy created when he failed to play to his draft status and salary expectations. This difficult situation is CLEARLY his own fault! Dallas must try to recoup value or find a lesser role for a multimillion dollar role player.

so

My question to you is what kind of fan ignores the good of our team because of player "loyalty"?

Do you really think that treating players like crap is for the good of the team?
Holding on to a player and costing him millions of dollars in salary is good for the team? You need to realize that players on teams have friends on teams. What you need to gain is not worth what you risk losing by treating multi time probowl players like that. Just wish him well, cut him and move on.

 

[zeromaster]

Five interceptions, four forced fumbles and two touchdowns in a seven-game span isn't "doing well"?

Tough crowd.

That was 2002, wasn't it? But for 2006, it seems his numbers are rather down.

More recently it's been (per nfl.com):
2008: 3G, then injured
2007: 15G, 5 PD, 2 Ints, 0 TDs
2006: 16G, 9 PD, 5 Ints, 0 TDs
2005: 16G, 7 PD, 3 Ints, 1 TD (46y)

Personally I don't buy into the idea that Jerry owes Roy a decision "immediately"; it's his team, let him handle it.

 

[Hoofbite]

Jerry take your time. You've payed the man for his time and more. Take your time if it is best for the team. Roy should be trying to re-structure as opposed to asking Jerry to make a move. Roy, why don't you and your agent make a move and offer Jerry a smaller contract you complacent individual?

Roy has already said he would restructure.

Wanting to know your status isn't asking too much of any team. His chances of catching on to a team are better now then they will be a month from now, 2 months from now or in the summer.

I don't think he is out of line and I would like to see something done one way or the other. Nobody is going to trade for him. Either work with him Jerry or let him walk.

 

[Cowboyz88]

Agree.

By the way, in those three games in 2008, it was more of the same (read: nothing) from Roy, but his supporters will try to conveniently sweep it under the carpet.

That said, get ready for it, cuz Adam's coming soon to stat-whip you into believing that Roy was all that.

That was 2002, wasn't it? But for 2006, it seems his numbers are rather down.

More recently it's been (per nfl.com):
2008: 3G, then injured
2007: 15G, 5 PD, 2 Ints, 0 TDs
2006: 16G, 9 PD, 5 Ints, 0 TDs
2005: 16G, 7 PD, 3 Ints, 1 TD (46y)

Personally I don't buy into the idea that Jerry owes Roy a decision "immediately"; it's his team, let him handle it.