DMN: Safety Roy Williams wants Dallas Cowboys to act today

[5Countem5]

I disagree I think RW has been playing fine. It's just that he's not playing at the level people want him to that's the people.

He's not playing at 9+million bucks worth for sure...

 

[AdamJT13]

Humble as always I see.

So, what you believe is the truth and anything is untrue?

What are you talking about? Anything is untrue? What does that mean?

Someone said Roy played well only when Woodson was playing, too. But during the seven games Woodson missed in 2002, Roy had five interceptions, four forced fumbles and two touchdowns.

Now, knowing those facts, you tell me which is true?

1) That Roy played well only when Woodson was playing, and that Roy did not play well in those seven games.

OR

2) That Roy played well in those seven games, and that possibly the best seven-game stretch of Roy's career came when Woodson was not playing.

What is your answer, 1 or 2?

 

[Paniolo22]

What are you talking about? Anything is untrue? What does that mean?

Someone said Roy played well only when Woodson was playing, too. But during the seven games Woodson missed in 2002, Roy had five interceptions, four forced fumbles and two touchdowns.

Now, knowing those facts, you tell me which is true?

1) That Roy played well only when Woodson was playing, and that Roy did not play well in those seven games.

OR

2) That Roy played well in those seven games, and that possibly the best seven-game stretch of Roy's career came when Woodson was not playing.

What is your answer, 1 or 2?

I say 1. Would it also be true that his worst 7 game stretch came in the last 14 games he's played here?

 

[AbeBeta]

Thanks for proving my point once again.

As always, you make your "point" something irrelevant. How proud you must be to defend points that no one gives a crap about.

Why won't you address the fact that Roy hasn't played well recently and engage in that discussion instead of focusing on how good he was in 7 years ago?

 

[Doomsay]

What are you talking about? Anything is untrue? What does that mean?

Someone said Roy played well only when Woodson was playing, too. But during the seven games Woodson missed in 2002, Roy had five interceptions, four forced fumbles and two touchdowns.

Now, knowing those facts, you tell me which is true?

1) That Roy played well only when Woodson was playing, and that Roy did not play well in those seven games.

OR

2) That Roy played well in those seven games, and that possibly the best seven-game stretch of Roy's career came when Woodson was not playing.

What is your answer, 1 or 2?

Points allowed also increased by more than 40% vs. the time Woodson was in. Roy did put up some good numbers over those 7 games though.

 

[Paniolo22]

Points allowed also increased by more than 40% vs. the time Woodson was in. Roy did put up some good numbers over those 7 games though.

That's Roy's fault!?!?!

 

[Cowboyz88]

Read the post, man, it was an error in typing which I fixed.

I said is "anything else" other than your opinion untrue?

Your ego is amazing. As I've said to you many times in our Roy debates, you come on here espousing your opinions about Roy as if they're fact.

When I first brought up Roy's decline in play (long before other dared to speak about it), you (along with your cronies) were on here trying to skewer me for my opinion.

I said time will tell if I was right, and looks like time is finally speaking.

As always, you can't admit you were wrong, and instead of admitting that you were wrong you're going to resort to your tired old argument of "he was great back in 2002."

We all know he played great in '02. So what? He's 28, and at a time when most athletes are entering their prime, he's about to get released.

Think the Cowboys will release Ware at age 28? Heck no, because Ware is what some of you Roy supporters blindly thought Roy was - a superstar.

I'm not going to rehash any arguments with you over Roy, because it's pointless.

Just once, I'd like for you to admit you were wrong about your judgement concerning Roy, but I know your hubris won't allow you to do so.

Guess the Cowboys release of him will do it for you.

What are you talking about? Anything is untrue? What does that mean?

Someone said Roy played well only when Woodson was playing, too. But during the seven games Woodson missed in 2002, Roy had five interceptions, four forced fumbles and two touchdowns.

Now, knowing those facts, you tell me which is true?

1) That Roy played well only when Woodson was playing, and that Roy did not play well in those seven games.

OR

2) That Roy played well in those seven games, and that possibly the best seven-game stretch of Roy's career came when Woodson was not playing.

What is your answer, 1 or 2?

 

[EveryoneElse]

Read the post, man, it was an error in typing which I fixed.

I said is "anything else" other than your opinion untrue?

Your ego is amazing. As I've said to you many times in our Roy debates, you come on here espousing your opinions about Roy as if they're fact.

When I first brought up Roy's decline in play (long before other dared to speak about it), you (along with your cronies) were on here trying to skewer me for my opinion.

I said time will tell if I was right, and looks like time is finally speaking.

As always, you can't admit you were wrong, and instead of admitting that you were wrong you're going to resort to your tired old argument of "he was great back in 2002."

We all know he played great in '02. So what? He's 28, and at a time when most athletes are entering their prime, he's about to get released.

Think the Cowboys will release Ware at age 28? Heck no, because Ware is what some of you Roy supporters blindly thought Roy was - a superstar.

I'm not going to rehash any arguments with you over Roy, because it's pointless.

Just once, I'd like for you to admit you were wrong about your judgement concerning Roy, but I know your hubris won't allow you to do so.

Guess the Cowboys release of him will do it for you.

I like this guy. You have moxie.

 

[cowboyjoe]

no, you got that wrong, not all the facts on the restructure deal, roy williams said, it would have to be finanacially sound for me and my family, meaning jerry had to fork over some money upfront big time etc.

that i dont agree with because roy didnt show that the last 3 years,

 

[Doomsay]

Why won't you address the fact that Roy hasn't played well recently and engage in that discussion instead of focusing on how good he was in 7 years ago?

That is the point. Although Roy has had high tackle figures in recent years a majority of the time it's a receiver or TE that has burned him for significant yardage. At least 3-4 years ago he would come up with some big plays to compensate for all of the mistakes or lack of speed, but he can't even do that now.

It will be interesting to see what he can command in the open market. I wonder if any team in our division will pick him up, that would say a lot if they don't.

 

[AbeBeta]

that i dont agree with because roy didnt show that the last 3 years,

Yes, but he had a few great games after Darren Woodson was done. That is clearly what is most important in this thread.

 

[Doomsay]

That's Roy's fault!?!?!

Just a complementary stat.

 

[AdamJT13]

I say 1.

So Roy did not play well in those seven games when he had five interceptions, four forced fumbles and two touchdowns?

Like I said, it's a tough crowd around here.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

Roy is the best safety on the Dallas Cowboys' roster, period. Better than Hamlin. Better than Watkins. Better than Davis. Better than Brown. If anything, this season showed us how much Roy (despite his shortcomings the last couple years) still helps this team. I'd love to see them restructure his deal and he stay in Dallas.

 

[Paniolo22]

So Roy did not play well in those seven games when he had five interceptions, four forced fumbles and two touchdowns?

Like I said, it's a tough crowd around here.

My bad, I meant 2.

The fact does remain that in his last 1 1/2 years here, very little impact plays.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Goodness the way some people get their panties in a wade around here.

Just stop, for one second, take a deep breath, and read what Adam said. He wasn't trying to imply that Roy was great, that he is awesome, that he's a star, that he's always been a star, or any of those things.

Someone made the claim that Roy had NEVER played well without Woodson. Adam simply pointed out a frame of time where Roy, in fact, had played well without Woody.

This was nothing more, nothing less, than that.

Goodness.

 

[AdamJT13]

As always, you make your "point" something irrelevant. How proud you must be to defend points that no one gives a **** about.

My point is that there is a difference between truth and falsehoods. You already said you don't care about the truth, but I would bet some other people do.

Why won't you address the fact that Roy hasn't played well recently and engage in that discussion instead of focusing on how good he was in 7 years ago?

I've addressed that many, many times. Have you ever seen me say we shouldn't release Roy this offseason or shouldn't restructure his contract? Heck, I said we could cut him last offseason and save money. But that doesn't have anything to do what I posted.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

Goodness the way some people get their panties in a wade around here.

heh.. typo, spelling error or Freudian slip?

 

[dfense]

What kind of fans and people are some of you?

This is a guy that came out of college and practically begged the cowboys to draft him he wanted to be a cowboy so badly.
This guy has been voted to so many probowls. That means he was recognized by his peers, coaches and fans as the best in the league at what he does.

Roy Williams may no longer fit the mold of what we want as a safety. His skills may have declined. He may be better suited for a 4-3 defense. He may be better closer to the line of scrimmage.

But for what he has done and how he comes out and keeps saying that he wants to play for the cowboys means he deserves a little more respect than for you people to tell him to sit down and shut up.

You guys are worse than the eagles fans.

Brian Dawkins just left after 13 years for money. And at least they can wish him the best and say they enjoyed having him as the heart of their team.

Just because you dont want a player to be a part of the Cowboys any longer does not make it alright to show no class.

Whatever, his biggest assets were his ability to make game changing, intimidating hits. That ability is long gone. He gets stiff armed to the ground by WR's now. He doesn't wrap up or bring the wood at all anymore, ever. At first you could chalk it up to a possible injury, but not anymore. I chalk it up to him getting paid.

The difference with Dawkins is he can still play. Roy's like Julius was, bursting onto the scene with the look and promise of a superstar. Comparisons to Ronnie Lott. An intimidator who struck fear into whoever wanted to try and go over the middle. Now they look for him to take advantage. He's been overpaid for several years. He can't run, cover, tackle, whats left?

A collassal waste.

 

[Woods]

My point is that there is a difference between truth and falsehoods. You already said you don't care about the truth, but I would bet some other people do.



I've addressed that many, many times. Have you ever seen me say we shouldn't release Roy this offseason or shouldn't restructure his contract? Heck, I said we could cut him last offseason and save money. But that doesn't have anything to do what I posted.

In your personal opinion, do you think RW restructures and stays, is traded, or would you guess he is cut?

Personally, I think we will end up cutting him.

However, I hope we can restructure his contract and draft another Safety as well.