DMN: Safety Roy Williams wants Dallas Cowboys to act today

[Cowboyz88]

Well then my friend, you haven't been paying attention for the last few years.

I've gone round-and-round with Adam over the years over Roy, because of EXACTLY what you say he isn't trying to do.

Geez man, the infamous Roy, "myth" thread was in response to my sarcastic Roy "fact" thread. Look it up.

And, show me ONE place were Adam admits he misjudged Roy and his abilities...one.

I won't hold my breath.

Just stop, for one second, take a deep breath, and read what Adam said. He wasn't trying to imply that Roy was great, that he is awesome, that he's a star, that he's always been a star, or any of those things.

Someone made the claim that Roy had NEVER played well without Woodson. Adam simply pointed out a frame of time where Roy, in fact, had played well without Woody.

This was nothing more, nothing less, than that.

Goodness.

 

[GoBoys41]

Roy is the best safety on the Dallas Cowboys' roster, period. Better than Hamlin. Better than Watkins. Better than Davis. Better than Brown. If anything, this season showed us how much Roy (despite his shortcomings the last couple years) still helps this team. I'd love to see them restructure his deal and he stay in Dallas.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Well then my friend, you haven't been paying attention for the last few years.

I've gone round-and-round with Adam over the years over Roy, because of EXACTLY what you say he isn't trying to do.

Geez man, the infamous Roy, "myth" thread was in response to my sarcastic Roy "fact" thread. Look it up.

And, show me ONE place were Adam admits he misjudged Roy and his abilities...one.

I won't hold my breath.

Granted I don't know the history of you two cause I've only been here barely a year, so I wasn't around for the last few years, but it's pretty clear, in this instance, that he was making a remark that refuted the idea that Roy had never, even once, played well since Woody left the line up.

He provided a 7 game stretch in which he did play well, post Woody, but I don't see it as anything more than that.

As for what it means to the rest of you guys little spat, I don't know, cause as I said I haven't seen the rest of you guys spat over the last few years.

 

[cowboyjoe]

when your talking restructure his contract, not at a big lot, where i think roy wants to get some more big money upfront. To me, roy should say, ok, i messed up, I didnt work out with my teammates, challenge them and myself, I didnt hit hard like i used too. I didnt study film like i should have.

I myself need to rededicate myself, and for the dallas cowboys. I am willing to take a pay cut to prove I am still the player I was, and prove everyone that is talking about me that they are wrong.

As far as when i said I gave my life to the Lord, he hits hard and expects you to give your all, I need to look at it that way. I have lots of things I can improve on, thats what i need to do.

I say that I love the Dallas Cowboys, let me prove it to you, by restructing my contract to a lesser deal, earn that money that I should have earned the last 3 years, study hard, work hard, work with my teammates, dont miss any OTAs and help the Dallas Cowboys. Thats what should be said by roy to me.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

not sure what's so funny.. can you name a better safety on our roster?

 

[GoBoys41]

Who cares? Yes, someone was obviously wrong when they said Roy was terrible without Woodson. So what? How is this relevant to anything? It just seems like a meager point for someone to harp on so they can claim victory on a message board. It has nothing to do with the bigger picture.

 

[AdamJT13]

Read the post, man, it was an error in typing which I fixed.

I said is "anything else" other than your opinion untrue?

Your ego is amazing. As I've said to you many times in our Roy debates, you come on here espousing your opinions about Roy as if they're fact.

Please show one time when I've done that.

As always, you can't admit you were wrong

What are you claiming that I was wrong about?

and instead of admitting that you were wrong you're going to resort to your tired old argument of "he was great back in 2002."

Try following the thread. If you jump into a conversation without knowing what is going on, you end up saying stuff that isn't true -- like what you just said.

He's 28, and at a time when most athletes are entering their prime, he's about to get released.

He'll be 29 this season. NFL players (at most positions) don't "enter" their prime when they're 29.

Think the Cowboys will release Ware at age 28? Heck no, because Ware is what some of you Roy supporters blindly thought Roy was - a superstar.

There's a difference between the past, the present and the future. The Chargers might release/trade/restructure the contract of LaDainian Tomlinson this offseason. Does that mean he was never a "superstar"? Of course not. Plenty of big-name players get released for cap reasons. That doesn't mean they never were great players, it means that they aren't worth their contract going forward.

Just once, I'd like for you to admit you were wrong about your judgement concerning Roy, but I know your hubris won't allow you to do so.

Again, tell me what "judgement concerning Roy" I was wrong about.

 

[EveryoneElse]

not sure what's so funny.. can you name a better safety on our roster?

Saying Roy is the best safety we have isn't a ringing endoresment.

It's like saying, you have your choice between all 4 of these cars, none of them have engines, but this one comes with a pine tree air freshner.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

To quote the great Randy "Manster" White... "Stats are for losers."

See ya Roy. Good riddance!

 

[Cowboyz88]

I wasn't attacking you personally, so if it seemed that way, my apologies.

It's just that over the years, Adam and his followers (you know who you are) have basically called some of us fools because we dared to question the play of Roy.

Now, as we're at the beginning of the end for Roy as a Cowboy and the writing's on the wall, Adam still can't admit he's wrong.

Granted I don't know the history of you two cause I've only been here barely a year, so I wasn't around for the last few years, but it's pretty clear, in this instance, that he was making a remark that refuted the idea that Roy had never, even once, played well since Woody left the line up.

He provided a 7 game stretch in which he did play well, post Woody, but I don't see it as anything more than that.

As for what it means to the rest of you guys little spat, I don't know, cause as I said I haven't seen the rest of you guys spat over the last few years.

 

[wileedog]

not sure what's so funny.. can you name a better safety on our roster?

Hamlin, but maybe that's what's so funny.

Funny in a sad kind of way funny.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Just stop, for one second, take a deep breath, and read what Adam said. He wasn't trying to imply that Roy was great, that he is awesome, that he's a star, that he's always been a star, or any of those things.

His words and actions contradict themselves. A person defends things of value. Who has polished turds over their fireplace mantel? He holds Roy Willy on a much higher scale than most Cowboy fans. Then plays word games for kicks.

 

[AdamJT13]

In your personal opinion, do you think RW restructures and stays, is traded, or would you guess he is cut?

My guess is that he will get released, because that is the option he would choose (out of the likely options). Unless he gets a Greg Ellis deal, he'd probably rather get released than take a lower salary. And he probably would rather get released than get traded to a specific team (who probably would want him to renegotiate before making the trade anyway). If he gets released, then he can choose the best offer he gets. That's why he wants a decision made today -- before teams start filling their roster with other players and using up their cap room. Free agents have far fewer options late in the offseason than they do right now.

 

[Cowboyz88]

Not playing your thread, shell-game again.

Point blank (and without all of your meandering ways):
Were you ever wrong about Roy Williams?

Please show one time when I've done that.




What are you claiming that I was wrong about?




Try following the thread. If you jump into a conversation without knowing what is going on, you end up saying stuff that isn't true -- like what you just said.



He'll be 29 this season. NFL players (at most positions) don't "enter" their prime when they're 29.



There's a difference between the past, the present and the future. The Chargers might release/trade/restructure the contract of LaDainian Tomlinson this offseason. Does that mean he was never a "superstar"? Of course not. Plenty of big-name players get released for cap reasons. That doesn't mean they never were great players, it means that they aren't worth their contract going forward.



Again, tell me what "judgement concerning Roy" I was wrong about.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I wasn't attacking you personally, so if it seemed that way, my apologies.

It's just that over the years, Adam and his followers (you know who you are) have basically called some of us fools because we dared to question the play of Roy.

Now, as we're at the beginning of the end for Roy as a Cowboy and the writing's on the wall, Adam still can't admit he's wrong.

Nah nothing personal. I enjoy the debate, regardless of what stance someone takes on player or instance. It's all good for me bro.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

Saying Roy is the best safety we have isn't a ringing endoresment.

It's like saying, you have your choice between all 4 of these cars, none of them have engines, but this one comes with a pine tree air freshner.

but i'd rather have the car with the pine tree air freshener than the one's without it, given the choice..

my point is, Roy is still the best player we have on this roster at his position.. and he's still better than any player we are going to get in the draft (at least this year with a learning curve for rookies, and all of us feel like we can make a run this year) or free agency..

so no matter how you slice it, the team becomes worse if we lose Roy.. we're gonna be fine with salary cap space anyways.. the millions aren't ours, so what do we care? i just want to field the best team that we can.. and that best team would be with Roy, not without him..

 

[Doomsay]

Roy is the best safety on the Dallas Cowboys' roster, period. Better than Hamlin. Better than Watkins. Better than Davis. Better than Brown. If anything, this season showed us how much Roy (despite his shortcomings the last couple years) still helps this team. I'd love to see them restructure his deal and he stay in Dallas.

This season and last season showed us that we need a better safety than Roy. The only real difference between 2007 and 2008 at the safety position was that Hamlin was playing for a contract in '07 and gave up in '08.

We had essentially the same number of busted long running plays in 07 and 08. It is a myth that we missed Roy, it is a truth that we need a good tackling safety to replace him. Don't think that this person is currently on the team.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

What kind of fans and people are some of you?

This is a guy that came out of college and practically begged the cowboys to draft him he wanted to be a cowboy so badly.
This guy has been voted to so many probowls. That means he was recognized by his peers, coaches and fans as the best in the league at what he does.

Roy Williams may no longer fit the mold of what we want as a safety. His skills may have declined. He may be better suited for a 4-3 defense. He may be better closer to the line of scrimmage.

But for what he has done and how he comes out and keeps saying that he wants to play for the cowboys means he deserves a little more respect than for you people to tell him to sit down and shut up.

You guys are worse than the eagles fans.

Brian Dawkins just left after 13 years for money. And at least they can wish him the best and say they enjoyed having him as the heart of their team.

Just because you don't want a player to be a part of the Cowboys any longer does not make it alright to show no class.

You didn't just compare Dawkins to Roy Williams....

First off, Dawk has been a leader for his team year in and year out.
He's produced and has been a prowbowler on a regular basis.
He also didn't shut himself out from the rest of his teammates.
He's taken the hometown discount before, has Roy?

If Roy realized he's becoming a dinosaur in the NFL, why isn't he working on a restructuring of his contract rather than demanding action from JJ?

He hasn't produced to the expected level in years, what makes him so important that it's ok for the organization to take a loss to expedite the process?

Sure, he might be better than the rest of the safeties here, but that's not saying much.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Let's play fill in the blank:

Roy Williams (the safety) has played consistently __________ over the past _________ seasons.

 

[Woods]

My guess is that he will get released, because that is the option he would choose (out of the likely options). Unless he gets a Greg Ellis deal, he'd probably rather get released than take a lower salary. And he probably would rather get released than get traded to a specific team (who probably would want him to renegotiate before making the trade anyway). If he gets released, then he can choose the best offer he gets. That's why he wants a decision made today -- before teams start filling their roster with other players and using up their cap room. Free agents have far fewer options late in the offseason than they do right now.

You don't think the Cowboys may suggest to RW that if there is a trade option and he doesn't accept, that the Cowboys may take their time and look for another trade? In other words, basically delay the release unless RW accepts? Because as you suggest, in another 2-3 weeks, the amount of money he can garner would likely be less.

I'm assuming of course, the Cowboys could engineer a trade for RW - either a player swap or for pick(s). If not, RW would be cut quickly I suppose.