DMN: Safety Roy Williams wants Dallas Cowboys to act today

[peplaw06]

Let's play fill in the blank:

Roy Williams (the safety) has played consistently __________ over the past _________ seasons.

Inconsistent, 4

????

Side note: I remember saying just the other day that we have had shockingly few Roy threads this offseason... lol

 

[5Countem5]

Let's play fill in the blank:

Roy Williams (the safety) has played consistently __________ over the past _________ seasons.

Average....3

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Inconsistent, 4

????

Side note: I remember saying just the other day that we have had shockingly few Roy threads this offseason... lol

Average....3

Good answers. I was hoping Adam and AbeBeta would play along.

 

[AdamJT13]

Not playing your thread, shell-game again.

Point blank (and without all of your meandering ways):
Were you ever wrong about Roy Williams?

So, you refuse to answer a single one of my questions to you, but you expect me to answer your question to me? And I'm the one with an ego? Please.

I'm sure I could nit-pick and find some detail about Roy that I was wrong about sometime within the past eight years. But not anything worth the effort of looking for it.

 

[AdamJT13]

Let's play fill in the blank:

Roy Williams (the safety) has played consistently __________ over the past _________ seasons.

Little ... one.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

Little ... one.

nicely done.

 

[This is Our Year]

The funny thing about a thread this divided is at one time, he was probably everyone's favorite player on the team and the thought of a thread like this would have been laughable. Oh, how Roy has changed.

 

[Doomsay]

Little ... one.

got to admit, that is funny.

 

[Cowboyz88]

My thoughts exactly.

But not anything worth the effort of looking for it.

You've known my stance on Roy for years, and you are also aware of our lengthy "discussions" concerning his stellar play, or lack thereof, so you go ahead and act as if you don't know to what I'm referring when I ask if you were wrong.

I wouldn't expect anything else from you.

 

[khiladi]

The issue that has been lost sight in all of this, can somebody tell Roy to lose like 20 pounds off his lower body, so he can actually turn his hips properly. The guy was thin when he first came into the league. Can we jump his trainer?

 

[RESIN8]

I had hoped that Roy would get his mojo back but it looks like his time wearing the star may be done. Trading him for Huff makes more sense, especially b/c the Raiders are also thinking of cutting their former 1st.

But the trade better involve a pick/another player (Justin Miller) from the Raiders, in addition to Huff. Roy is a multiple pro bowler, and as much as the fans & media gripe, his level of play is still above league average. Get him in the right scheme, and he can be a playmaker again. Think Rex Ryan.

When making a trade aren't you supposed to upgrade your situation? At least Roy has something to show for his career.

We would get into the same situation were are in with Roy. A player with no apparent position. Raider fans say the guy is too stiff for corner and to soft for safety.

Like Tank, Pac Man and Zach before him. Jerry get guys who no longer want to be here out.

 

[AbeBeta]

My point is that there is a difference between truth and falsehoods. You already said you don't care about the truth, but I would bet some other people do.

No, I care about what is RELEVANT. Lots of true things are not at all relevant. However you have a hard time understanding that just b/c Roy did play well after Woodson went down that point is not particularly relevant to whether he should be cut today nor does it indicate that he's every going to get back to that level.

I've addressed that many, many times. Have you ever seen me say we shouldn't release Roy this offseason or shouldn't restructure his contract? Heck, I said we could cut him last offseason and save money. But that doesn't have anything to do what I posted.

Again, you haven't said we SHOULD you have said we COULD. You reluctantly engage in discussion of his actual performance, instead making your raison d'etre defending him against extreme statements. Note of course that what you've cited above it not really a performance discussion, it is a discussion of the cap hit we'd take if he were cut. This clearly is not an argument about money, it is about performance.

 

[AbeBeta]

Little ... one.

nice.

 

[AbeBeta]

The issue that has been lost sight in all of this, can somebody tell Roy to lose like 20 pounds off his lower body, so he can actually turn his hips properly. The guy was thin when he first came into the league. Can we jump his trainer?

Actually since he get up around 300 lbs in the off-season, he'd need to lose more. :laugh2:

 

[AdamJT13]

You've known my stance on Roy for years, and you are also aware of our lengthy "discussions" concerning his stellar play, or lack thereof, so you go ahead and act as if you don't know to what I'm referring when I ask if you were wrong.

To be honest, I wouldn't know you from Cowboyz89 or any of the hundreds of other people I've debated with on various message boards over the years. Sorry, but that's the truth.

Maybe you can refresh my memory about whatever it is that you said, or whatever it is you claim I was wrong about. Or you can not even try and pretend like you're right about ... whatever it was.

 

[AdamJT13]

No, I care about what is RELEVANT. Lots of true things are not at all relevant. However you have a hard time understanding that just b/c Roy did play well after Woodson went down that point is not particularly relevant to whether he should be cut today nor does it indicate that he's every going to get back to that level.

When did I say any of that was the case?

Again, you haven't said we SHOULD you have said we COULD. You reluctantly engage in discussion of his actual performance

I've never been reluctant to discuss his performance or anyone else's performance.

instead making your raison d'etre defending him against extreme statements.

And AGAIN you completely miss the point. At least you're consistent.

Note of course that what you've cited above it not really a performance discussion, it is a discussion of the cap hit we'd take if he were cut. This clearly is not an argument about money, it is about performance.

If he was being paid the minimum salary, the Cowboys would not be considering cutting him. So yes, it is about money.

 

[zeromaster]

Yes, after Woodson was out for the season, which refutes the notion that Roy played well only when Woodson was on the field.

For my part, I don't think I've held to that notion. He has had his moments since then.

I think some of us at least thought there might be a passing of the torch from Woodson to Williams, but for various reasons it doesn't seem to have happened to the degree we thought it might.

 

[Doomsay]

I suppose I am generally the guilty party when it comes to supplying exaggerations either in content or tone regarding Roy. I made a statement a few months ago regarding Roy's mythical run stopping abilities over the past few seasons, by stating that 90% of his tackles came after being burned in big plays. Adam countered that 17% (I think) of his tackles were within 2 or 3 yards of the LOS, so I had exaggerated with the 90% figure. His average tackle was for 8 yds that year which probably reflects being targeted by so many OC's for intermediate pass completions.

True, 90% was just a notional statement on Roy's burn factor, but I was OK with 83% as well. Fact is, Roy made no tackles for loss over the last 2 seasons and had no sacks despite management's efforts to finally put Roy in the box. He gets flung away by or dances with fullbacks and TE's and has shown none of the killer instinct near the LOS that he used to have for drilling defenseless receivers downfield. You can't make him into a coverage safety and his lack of zeal for mixing it up with anybody close to his size raises questions on his ultimate usefulness at any cost.

We are a better team without him and with an average SS. It's clear that Watkins can't cut it in that role, Killah neither. No exaggeration.

 

[EveryoneElse]

Let's play fill in the blank:

Roy Williams (the safety) has played consistently __________ over the past _________ seasons.

#1: average
#2: 5

With the exception of his first two years, Roy has been on the decline. He hasn't made a noteworthy hit since he laid out that San Fran player on that kick return years ago.

Just not the same player we drafted.

Good riddance.

 

[Clove]

Too bad nothing we say will matter.