DMN: Sporting News writer: Greg Hardy has rendered himself 'almost untouchable'

[skinsscalper]

Nothing is clear to me because nobody has made them clear. That's the problem.

Actually, stash, something is very clear: There's a player with Hardy's skill set that hasn't been sniffed this off-season by any team so far in a FA period where a guy that mustered 7.5 sacks last season signed a deal for more guaranteed money than JJ Watt and in a league where the need for pass rushers is exceeded only by the need for quality QB play.

That doesn't need to be clarified by the Cowboys or anyone else. To this point, it's a fact. Many people are frustrated with the fact that they aren't being hand fed the "whys" of the situation, and I get that. But the fact remains, if Hardy was worth the trouble he would have been signed within the first two weeks of FA. He hasn't been. The "I demand evidence" crew can cry a river about it, but they really aren't entitled to ANY information regarding a player or his issues behind the scenes. Get over it. Darren Woodson has ceded small implications that he fully aware of what the issues are but he isn't spilling the beans either (he also agrees that you can't bring him back as a result).

Lastly, nobody is "black balling" Greg Hardy. Sharing information? Possibly. But if the information is true, that's not black balling. The truth of the matter is that Greg Hardy was given the opportunity to resurrect his career in Dallas on a "prove it" deal (an opportunity that NO other team in the league was willing to afford him). He started squandering that opportunity before training camp even started (remember the twin towers tweet or the fight with a defensive teammate in the off-season training program?). He proceeded to self destruct both behind the scenes and in the full view of social media and a national television audience. The ONLY evidence needed to support that is the fact that the ENTIRE LEAGUE, thus far, has treated Greg Hardy like kryptonite.

Good morning to you, btw, my friend.

 

[SultanOfSix]

But the fact remains, if Hardy was worth the trouble he would have been signed within the first two weeks of FA.

But to my knowledge and understanding, he wasn't worth the trouble last year to other teams either. If this is true, then this means such an argument can't be used to justify why he hasn't been signed this year by other teams besides the Cowboys. This reasoning that Hardy remains unsigned can only be used to justify the argument that Hardy has possibly burned some bridges with the only team that truly showed an interest him: the Cowboys.

The reason why he wasn't signed last year by other teams and remains still unsigned this year is the same as last year's. Because Hardy has baggage, a large part of it due to something that has significant import in the current PC climate: domestic violence.

 

[skinsscalper]

But to my knowledge and understanding, he wasn't worth the trouble last year to other teams either. If this is true, then this means such an argument can't be used to justify why he hasn't been signed this year by other teams besides the Cowboys. This reasoning that Hardy remains unsigned can only be used to justify the argument that Hardy has possibly burned some bridges with the only team that truly showed an interest him: the Cowboys.

The reason why he wasn't signed last year by other teams and remains still unsigned this year is the same as last year's. Because Hardy has baggage, a large part of it due to something that has significant import in the current PC climate: domestic violence.

I disagree with this statement just a little bit. The PR hit has already been taken (thank you Dallas). Last year, by some measure, Hardy was made "employable". If Hardy had been a boy scout last season and racked up 10+ sacks, there's no way in the world he's sitting un-employed right now. No way (domestic violence or not). As I stated before, Hardy was given a national stage and an opportunity to resurrect his career and cash in BIG TIME this off-season. He squandered it.

 

[sbark]

Hardy commanded a lot of double teams for a lazy guy that was out of shape.

I buy the idea that he didn't put out the effort once the team's record tanked, but I don't buy that he was out of shape and lazy the entire year.

yup, could see him attempt to turn it up a gear in the Pats game, when Garrett finally sat Weedon down, Hardy found the extra gear against Brady, but then as that Cassel expierment went downhill also, Hardys output did also. Seems he saw the competence of the QB's wanting and his output dropped off accordingly in all cases.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Actually, stash, something is very clear: There's a player with Hardy's skill set that hasn't been sniffed this off-season by any team so far in a FA period where a guy that mustered 7.5 sacks last season signed a deal for more guaranteed money than JJ Watt and in a league where the need for pass rushers is exceeded only by the need for quality QB play.

That doesn't need to be clarified by the Cowboys or anyone else. To this point, it's a fact. Many people are frustrated with the fact that they aren't being hand fed the "whys" of the situation, and I get that. But the fact remains, if Hardy was worth the trouble he would have been signed within the first two weeks of FA. He hasn't been. The "I demand evidence" crew can cry a river about it, but they really aren't entitled to ANY information regarding a player or his issues behind the scenes. Get over it. Darren Woodson has ceded small implications that he fully aware of what the issues are but he isn't spilling the beans either (he also agrees that you can't bring him back as a result).

I literally can't give this post enough "likes"

The evidence is there, as long as you are willing to see it

 

[Stash]

Actually, stash, something is very clear: There's a player with Hardy's skill set that hasn't been sniffed this off-season by any team so far in a FA period where a guy that mustered 7.5 sacks last season signed a deal for more guaranteed money than JJ Watt and in a league where the need for pass rushers is exceeded only by the need for quality QB play.

That doesn't need to be clarified by the Cowboys or anyone else. To this point, it's a fact. Many people are frustrated with the fact that they aren't being hand fed the "whys" of the situation, and I get that. But the fact remains, if Hardy was worth the trouble he would have been signed within the first two weeks of FA. He hasn't been. The "I demand evidence" crew can cry a river about it, but they really aren't entitled to ANY information regarding a player or his issues behind the scenes. Get over it. Darren Woodson has ceded small implications that he fully aware of what the issues are but he isn't spilling the beans either (he also agrees that you can't bring him back as a result).

I'm not "crying" over anything. I'm asking questions that deserve answers, and not following in line like the mindless sheep who consider excessive thinking too much trouble. If one writer parroting unconfirmed claims from another writer is good enough for you, that's your problem. My own standards are higher and I don't feel I need to "get over" that.

Lastly, nobody is "black balling" Greg Hardy. Sharing information? Possibly. But if the information is true, that's not black balling. The truth of the matter is that Greg Hardy was given the opportunity to resurrect his career in Dallas on a "prove it" deal (an opportunity that NO other team in the league was willing to afford him). He started squandering that opportunity before training camp even started (remember the twin towers tweet or the fight with a defensive teammate in the off-season training program?). He proceeded to self destruct both behind the scenes and in the full view of social media and a national television audience. The ONLY evidence needed to support that is the fact that the ENTIRE LEAGUE, thus far, has treated Greg Hardy like kryptonite.

I disagree. And I need more to reach a final conclusion myself. And I don't think requiring some real evidence is out of line or asking too much. In fact, I think it's more prudent and rational to make an informed decision rather than jumping to conclusions and simply buying in to gossip and hearsay.

I would be fine if the league blackballed Hardy if he did the things he's accused of. I wouldn't defend poor and disruptive behavior and wouldn't want the team to either. If he did those things, tell the world the truth and let his career be finished. But if it's true, there's no reason to hide it, unless he was misbehaving this badly and a dysfunctional coach and team structure enabled it to happen and put the guy out on the field anyway with no repercussions. But I'm sure nobody wants to concede that possibility either.

And other than Dallas, the "entire league" wasn't touching him last year either. Dallas was the only visit he made so any poor market for him just looks the same as last year and does little if anything to support any unsupported rumors.

Good morning to you, btw, my friend.

And good morning to you as well sir. We appear to disagree on this one.

 

[Stash]

I literally can't give this post enough "likes"

The evidence is there, as long as you are willing to see it

People can "see" whatever they want to. Especially without evidence. Just like UFO's.

 

[Stash]

I disagree with this statement just a little bit. The PR hit has already been taken (thank you Dallas). Last year, by some measure, Hardy was made "employable". If Hardy had been a boy scout last season and racked up 10+ sacks, there's no way in the world he's sitting un-employed right now. No way (domestic violence or not). As I stated before, Hardy was given a national stage and an opportunity to resurrect his career and cash in BIG TIME this off-season. He squandered it.

Nobody would deny that he didn't fully take advantage of the opportunity for sure. We all wish he would have acted better.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

People can "see" whatever they want to. Especially without evidence. Just like UFO's.

If you're equating UFO sightings to seeing that Greg Hardy's behavior was taxing on the coaching staff, then there is really no point in arguing.

 

[erod]

Have you noticed Hardy is saying almost nothing publicly at all?

Yeah, it was bad.

 

[skinsscalper]

Nobody would deny that he didn't fully take advantage of the opportunity for sure. We all wish he would have acted better.

And the fact that he didn't is all the evidence necessary, no?

For the record, I don't think Darren Woodson is a gossip/mediot type. When HE says Hardy isn't worth the trouble (with actual knowledge of the situation) that, to me, speaks volumes about the seriousness of what went on behind the scenes. I'll take Woody for his word. You may require more, and there's nothing wrong with that. But one thing is certain: Hardy isn't coming back and all the internet message board whining about it on the planet isn't going to change that. Explanations or not.

Have a good one, stash. It's a beautiful Sunday!

 

[SultanOfSix]

I disagree with this statement just a little bit. The PR hit has already been taken (thank you Dallas). Last year, by some measure, Hardy was made "employable". If Hardy had been a boy scout last season and racked up 10+ sacks, there's no way in the world he's sitting un-employed right now. No way (domestic violence or not). As I stated before, Hardy was given a national stage and an opportunity to resurrect his career and cash in BIG TIME this off-season. He squandered it.

Well, expecting something from someone whose past history wouldn't suggest it is simply not a good bet. Everyone knew beforehand that Hardy wasn't a choir boy. But at the same time, unfairly magnifying any type of behavior or anything that he said which remotely could be interpreted to be negative in some way just to make him look bad is also just as bad.

As far as I know, everything was going OK with him and the team until those alleged domestic violence photos were released. It seemed like all the problems were simply suggested by certain elements of the media with an ax to grind. Coupled with the failure of the team to win at all could have just made an already emotionally affected personality more prone to bouts of instability.

 

[skinsscalper]

People can "see" whatever they want to. Especially without evidence. Just like UFO's.

Hyperbole much, homie? 100% of the planet can "see" that Hardy is unsigned. There's a reason for it. People can't "see" God, either. It's matter of faith. Some people have faith in the fact that Hardy is unemployed for good reason. Others actually have to see the burning bush.

All I know is that the sun rises in the east every morning. I don't need to know why. It just happens. Every. Single. Day. Is it because the sun wasn't worthy of a west/east route? Don't care. It is what it is.

 

[skinsscalper]

Well, expecting something from someone who's past history wouldn't suggest it is simply not a good bet. Everyone knew beforehand that Hardy wasn't a choir boy. But at the same time, unfairly magnifying any type of behavior or anything that he said just to make him look bad is also just as bad.

As far as I know, everything was going OK with him and the team until those alleged domestic violence photos were released. It seemed like all the problems were simply suggested by certain elements of the media with an ax to grind. Coupled with the failure of the team to win at all could have just made an already emotionally affected personality more prone to bouts of instability.

Absolutely false. Greg Hardy started pushing buttons before OTAs even began. Now, those "transgressions" weren't serious but Hardy was in Garretts office about his behavior and social media ******** WAAAAYYYY before any pictures surfaced. The pictures were the tipping point from a production stand point but there were issues with Greg Hardy with this football team that preceded any photo essay expose.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Absolutely false. Greg Hardy started pushing buttons before OTAs even began. Now, those "transgressions" weren't serious but Hardy was in Garretts office about his behavior and social media bull**** WAAAAYYYY before any pictures surfaced. The pictures were the tipping point from a production stand point but there were issues with Greg Hardy with this football team that preceded any photo essay expose.

Aren't specific examples of these supposedly negative generalized behaviors the type of of thing stasheroo is looking for? But then again, if they weren't serious, but were worthy of attention, wouldn't that be exactly the type of thing such an organization would expect out of someone like him and so they would be prepared to deal with it in such a manner? So I don't understand how this should make any difference.

 

[Fredd]

Last year, Dallas gave Hardy a chance to earn something....he succeeded in earning his way out of the NFL...we don't know the specifics. but if a desperate (for DE's) Dallas team can't bring this guy back after presumably giving him his shot, that, to me, speaks volumes

Hardy has earned what he is getting right now

Note: I am one of the guys saying to resign him, but the team knows the behind-the-scenes stuff, so I will defer to their knowledge

 

[erod]

I think there are people at Valley Ranch that are genuinely scared to death of Hardy.

This is an unhinged dude with a short temper and an arsenal of weapons worthy of Call of Duty.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I'm not "crying" over anything. I'm asking questions that deserve answers, and not following in line like the mindless sheep who consider excessive thinking too much trouble.

Who are you to deserve answers?

And have you thought excessively about this situation? Critically even? The fact that this guy isn't even taking visits is all the evidence one needs.

 

[skinsscalper]

Aren't specific examples of these supposedly negative generalized behaviors the type of of thing stasheroo is looking for? But then again, if they weren't serious, but were worthy of attention, wouldn't that be exactly the type of thing such an organization would expect out of someone like him and so they would be prepared to deal with it in such a manner? So I don't understand how this should make any difference.

Sure, I guess starting fights with your new teammates and posting jokes in poor taste about 9/11 are negative generalized behaviors. But I guarantee you they weren't expected by the Cowboys. In fact, Hardy was signed under assurances by both Hardy and his agent that behavior like this would not be an issue. Otherwise he wouldn't have been signed at all. Garrett went to great lengths with Hardy before he was signed to let him know exactly what is expectations were well before ink hit paper. From all accounts, Garret was the most adamant about getting these assurances because he was acutely in tune with the fact that not everyone on the locker room was on board with bringing Hardy to begin with (Witten rumored to be one of them among others). Garrett spoke at length about the conversations he had with Hardy and that he had "vetted" him quite a bit and let Hardy know the expectations with Hardy assuring him that he was aware of the expectations and was willing to fall in line to, if nothing else, resurrect his career.

Despite all of that, Hardy proceeded to sign his contract (knowing the expectations regarding behavior and production) and rammed a truck sized dildo up the rear end of his career and wonder why he doesn't sit right anymore. To top it off you've got people that, amazingly, still don't understand why we haven't haven't re signed this poor misunderstood and "media victimized" guy. You can't fix stupid. You just can't.

For the record, I was all for signing Hardy last season. I can't count how many posts I had defending him and the lack of evidence against him in a court of law. He had me. I was all aboard. Right up until he proved he was nothing but...well..Greg Hardy. The first round talent that fell to the 175th pick (6th round). I'm sure that was all the result of being "victimized" by the media, also. Greg Hardy has proven to be what was projected to be from the very beginning: A world class talent that's barely worth the trouble. Six seasons later he's proven that he isn't worth the trouble at all. It's all probably some type of conspiracy, I'm sure.

 

[RoboQB]

Donald or Daffy?

Howard