DMN Update: Roy Williams has sprained left wrist...*results negative*

[Stash]

I have many talents, but mind-reading isn't among them. You stated as a fact that Jones had nearly as many catches as the 2008 crew combined, which is demonstrably false. You're either sloppy or deliberately deceitful. Which is it?

I said 2008?

I apologize if I did.

I was comparing Jones' performance to the Cowboys' current receiving corps.

 

[bbgun]

Have a sip.

No thanks. I'll save my "hate" for someone who matters.

 

[dbair1967]

Is the logic that hard to understand?



Matt Jones had nearly as many catches as all of the guys who are.

And he did that in 12 games.

I don't care if you don't like it.

It just happens to be true.

so what? why does that matter? he played...they threw him a bunch of short passes...he rarely did anything with them...

he doesnt play any special teams...he doesnt make big plays...he has been tagged a lazy player by coaches and teammates and he has a drug problem...he doesnt have any special skills for the position

I think the vast majority of games the last two yrs we have kept 4 WR's active on game day...assuming our top 4 of RW, Crayton, Austin and Hurd are healthy there's no way in hell I am deactivating any of them for Matt Jones...

There is just no reason to have him here. None.

 

[zrinkill]

Let's not talk about fail. Your jokes already do enough of that.

Fail again.

 

[dbair1967]

And what does that prove?

I'm not dealing with hypotheticals, but what the players actually did.

Maybe if Matt Jones had TO on the other side, he would have had much better stats too?

If Matt Jones would have been on this roster he'd probably have very few receptions, because he wouldnt have played.

He isnt better than Owens or Crayton were. He isnt better than Roy Williams.

He doesnt play special teams so its unlikely he'd have been active much.

And even had he got on the field, he wasnt going to be targated that much because we had Owens, RW and Witten on the field.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Fail again.

Drink up.

 

[zrinkill]

I said 2008?

Yes

I apologize if I did.

No problem

I was comparing Jones' performance to the Cowboys' current receiving corps.

Until they play without Owens on the other side of them ..... that is futile.

 

[Stash]

so what? why does that matter? he played...they threw him a bunch of short passes...he rarely did anything with them...

He did more than what the team currently has, despite whatever else you'd like to claim.

he doesnt play any special teams...

We had two receivers who didn't play special teams last year too. We'd have the same number.

he doesnt make big plays...

Who does in Jacksnoville?

he has been tagged a lazy player by coaches and teammates

He had been tagged as lazy, before last season, by coaches, not teammates. After his legal issues, it was reported that he was more focused and motivated than he had ever been - his production refelected that.

and he has a drug problem...

He was caught doing cocaine - once. He's been passing all league-mandated drug tests since.

he doesnt have any special skills for the position

enough skills to catch 65 passes, despite trying to make a position change to wide receiver and being in Jacksonville - talk about having the deck stacked against ya!

I think the vast majority of games the last two yrs we have kept 4 WR's active on game day...assuming our top 4 of RW, Crayton, Austin and Hurd are healthy there's no way in hell I am deactivating any of them for Matt Jones...

Given their injury history, you might not have to. And I wouldn't scream if they deactivated Jones. And given his current position, I doubt he'd scream either.

There is just no reason to have him here. None.

In your opinion. And based on your innacurate claims, I can see why.

For the record, I'm not campaigning at the moment either - until someone gets hurt - again.

 

[UnoDallas]

Well here you go you pick your WR
I rather have Ogletree as our 5th WR than StainedGlass - but thats MO

I really don't think we need to add anyone

but heres a list of the FA WR's

Wide Receiver
Plaxico Burress - Legal issues aside, he offers terrific size at receiver and could make an impact for the team that eventual signs him.Marvin Harrison - Turns 37 in August and it's questionable if he can still start after having knee problems in recent years.
Jerry Porter - Big receiver who still has some productive years left.
Reggie Williams - Talented, but troubled receiver who may have a hard time finding a job any time soon.
Matt Jones - Started to realize his potential last season, but off-the-field issues are to blame for him being a free agent. Still could receive significant interest as August progresses.
Marty Booker - Could find work this year as a third receiver.
Joe Jurevicius - Solid possession receiver, but has dealt with major knee problems the past year or so.
Ike Hilliard (PR) - Probably fits in as a fourth receiver at this point in his career.
Koren Robinson (KR) - Probably fits in as a fourth receiver at this point in his career.
Ashley Lelie - Speedy former first-round pick of the Broncos who fits in as a fourth receiver.
Darrell Jackson - Probably fits in as a fourth receiver at this point in his career.
Justin McCareins - Probably fits in as a fourth receiver at this point in his career.
Drew Carter - Talented receiver, but is coming off of an ACL injury.
Travis Taylor - Journeyman former first-round pick of the Ravens who fits in as a fourth receiver at this point in his career.
Robert Ferguson - Physical, fourth receiver.
Dane Looker - His agent, Rick Smith, said the veteran receiver wants to still play. Fits in as a fourth receiver.
Dante Hall (PR/KR) - Fits in as a fourth receiver and as a special teams returner.
Cliff Russell (KR) - Speedy receiver who never lived up to his potential.
Tab Perry (KR) - Talented but injury prone receiver.
Devale Ellis - Speedy, but small receiver.
Anthony Mix - Big possession type and fourth or fifth receiver

 

[Hoofbite]

Ya'll really should get a room.

Thats what I was gonna say.

Little Slate/BB sex might mellow things out around here.

 

[Bleu Star]

I'll keep my comments on this to myself. Lord knows I have said it all before...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

SUCKSmosphere

FAIL

class dismissed

 

[Hostile]

Well here you go you pick your WR
I rather have Ogletree as our 5th WR than StainedGlass - but thats MO

I really don't think we need to add anyone

but heres a list of the FA WR's

Wide Receiver
Plaxico Burress - Legal issues aside, he offers terrific size at receiver and could make an impact for the team that eventual signs him.Marvin Harrison - Turns 37 in August and it's questionable if he can still start after having knee problems in recent years.
Jerry Porter - Big receiver who still has some productive years left.
Reggie Williams - Talented, but troubled receiver who may have a hard time finding a job any time soon.
Matt Jones - Started to realize his potential last season, but off-the-field issues are to blame for him being a free agent. Still could receive significant interest as August progresses.
Marty Booker - Could find work this year as a third receiver.
Joe Jurevicius - Solid possession receiver, but has dealt with major knee problems the past year or so.
Ike Hilliard (PR) - Probably fits in as a fourth receiver at this point in his career.
Koren Robinson (KR) - Probably fits in as a fourth receiver at this point in his career.
Ashley Lelie - Speedy former first-round pick of the Broncos who fits in as a fourth receiver.
Darrell Jackson - Probably fits in as a fourth receiver at this point in his career.
Justin McCareins - Probably fits in as a fourth receiver at this point in his career.
Drew Carter - Talented receiver, but is coming off of an ACL injury.
Travis Taylor - Journeyman former first-round pick of the Ravens who fits in as a fourth receiver at this point in his career.
Robert Ferguson - Physical, fourth receiver.
Dane Looker - His agent, Rick Smith, said the veteran receiver wants to still play. Fits in as a fourth receiver.
Dante Hall (PR/KR) - Fits in as a fourth receiver and as a special teams returner.
Cliff Russell (KR) - Speedy receiver who never lived up to his potential.
Tab Perry (KR) - Talented but injury prone receiver.
Devale Ellis - Speedy, but small receiver.
Anthony Mix - Big possession type and fourth or fifth receiver

In all seriousness there are only 2 WRs on that list I would have any interest in at all and one of them may be headed to jail for being an idiot. I'd rather roll the dice with what we have because I think they are good enough to get the job done.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

In all seriousness there are only 2 WRs on that list I would have any interest in at all and one of them may be headed to jail for being an idiot. I'd rather roll the dice with what we have because I think they are good enough to get the job done.

That list is pretty sad.

 

[Hostile]

That list is pretty sad.

Psst. Agreeing with me adds unflattering labels to your reputation. Agree with caution.

 

[dbair1967]

He did more than what the team currently has, despite whatever else you'd like to claim.

Again he got extensive PT. He was thrown alot of passes. Crayton or even a guy like Austin or Hurd could have easily done what he did in the same situation, especially Crayton.

We had two receivers who didn't play special teams last year too. We'd have the same number.

Matt Jones is nowhere near the equal of Terrell Owens or Roy Williams, he has to be able to do more than be a 4th or 5th WR.

Who does in Jacksnoville?

Well he was supposed to, its why they (over)drafted him.

He had been tagged as lazy, before last season, by coaches, not teammates. After his legal issues, it was reported that he was more focused and motivated than he had ever been - his production refelected that.

I'm sorry, but when a WR catches a bunch of ball but makes no big plays, scores few tds, has almost no YAC etc etc, I am not impressed. He played alot and was thrown alot of short passes.

He was caught doing cocaine - once. He's been passing all league-mandated drug tests since.

"caught"

enough skills to catch 65 passes, despite trying to make a position change to wide receiver and being in Jacksonville - talk about having the deck stacked against ya!

See note above, I dont consider that much of an accomplishment. Also as fyi, his 65 catches got him a tie for 30th in the league in receptions. Of the WR's ranked above him nobody had a "long gain" as short as his 35 yd reception. And only a couple averaged fewer than his 11.7yds per catch. He also scored the fewest TDS (2) of the WR's.

Given their injury history, you might not have to. And I wouldn't scream if they deactivated Jones. And given his current position, I doubt he'd scream either.

Would rather use the 5th spot on somebody who has some potential to develop that doesnt have the tags of being a lazy, drug abusing bust.

In your opinion. And based on your innacurate claims, I can see why.

Its not inaccurate. The fact that nobody has made any effort to sign him, or for that matter not even bring him in for a workout thats I've read about says it all.

For the record, I'm not campaigning at the moment either - until someone gets hurt - again.

Hopefully that wont happen. I like our top-4 guys quite a bit and think they will do well this yr as a group.

 

[DallasEast]

http://www.amazon.com/Fiskars-Ultra...10-6070269?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1250534182&sr=1-1

You're gonna need these after a long offseason of making excuses for him.

Pray tell.

What excuses have I made for Roy E. Williams?

 

[Hostile]

Roy Williams in 2008 as a Cowboy...19 receptions
Miles Austin in 2008...13 receptions
Sam Hurd in 2008...IR
Isaiah Stanback in 2008...2 receptions
Patrick Crayton in 2008...39 receptions

By my count that is 73 receptions.

Matt Jones in 2008...65 receptions.


The insinuation being he is more productive than our entire WR corps as currently constituted.

First of all I submit that he will not only not equal his 2008 production, but that 2 of our WRs will have more production than him and I don't mean combined. Two of our WRs will out produce him in 2009.

Someone will say, "but he has to end up on a team in 2008 or it doesn't count." It doesn't? Then adding Hurd to the mix shouldn't count either should it? That sort of blunts (pardon the pun) the entire point of his 2008 production being equal to our entire corps.

Besides it isn't my fault that he's a blithering idiot who got busted once for cocaine (his first time ever to try it or any drug ) and another time for violation of his probation. It isn't my fault that 30 NFL teams are leery of signing him at this point, 1 NFL team booted his butt despite him being their receptions leader at WR (we can identify with that strategy here), and one team will be desperate and give him a chance.

On top of this the claim only takes into consideration receptions. I much prefer scores. Lo and behold this icon of WRs only had 2 scores in 2008. Two of our unworthy candidates had more than that. One of them, Crayton doubled it. One guy exceeded that total with only 13 receptions. I don't see the need for a guy who catches a lot of balls but can't get in the endzone.

To me, discussing his worthiness is blunted (pardon the pun again) by the fact that handing the job of #2 WR to someone should indicate that WR is an impact player. I see nothing about him that indicates he is capable of impact except on the psyche of any team that counts on him should he happen to decide to try cocaine a 2nd time .

Now in reflection I think the only fair comparison to him would be Patrick Crayton. Fairly or unfairly Crayton got pushed aside in 2008. His one season as a starter in 2007 he more than proved to me he can handle the job. I openly admit I have said I prefer him as the #3 guy, but I'll take him at #2 and be more than content. When he had his chance at the brass ring he got in the endzone 7 times. Nearly 4 times as often as Matt Jones did when he got his chance, and he did it in fewer receptions than Jones had.

I guess Matt's problem is that he gets distracted by those white lines on the field. Rather than crossing them he thinks about putting them up his nose. Naw, that was a one time mistake.

Right? Oh wait, whatever you do, don't agree with me. You'll get labeled a butt kisser.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Psst. Agreeing with me adds unflattering labels to your reputation. Agree with caution.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. But the list its a bunch of old people and people who haven't lived up to their draft hype. Matt Jones has the most upside out of anyone on that list IMO.

 

[Apollo Creed]

The reality of the situation is that, no one with half a brain really gives a crap about Matt Jones and this argument shouldn't even be at the point that it is.

My point is that our WR core even with Terrell Owens was a very unreliable and unimpressive group. And I truly believe that Romo has never fully trusted a receiver not named Terry Glenn.

I'm upset we didn't add a young WR with any speed this offseason, and I think we are one WR injury away from being a very pedestrian passing game.

This board is awfully optimistic this season regarding our passing game but I haven't forgotten about last December quite as fast as the vast majority of the zone.

Roy Williams in 2008 as a Cowboy...19 receptions
Miles Austin in 2008...13 receptions
Sam Hurd in 2008...IR
Isaiah Stanback in 2008...2 receptions
Patrick Crayton in 2008...39 receptions

By my count that is 73 receptions.

Matt Jones in 2008...65 receptions.

Witten had 82 receptions last year.
Barber also had 52.