DMN Update: Roy Williams has sprained left wrist...*results negative*

[Hostile]

I'm not sure what you mean by that. But the list its a bunch of old people and people who haven't lived up to their draft hype. Matt Jones has the most upside out of anyone on that list IMO.

Yesterday anyone who agreed with me was an *** kisser. It didn't matter than I was right. Butts got seriously sore I guess.

 

[Hostile]

Witten had 82 receptions last year.
Barber also had 52.

Oh I agree with you. The problem is the comment is WR Corps. The assumption has been he's as good as the whole group put together. I don't agree.

I hope my agreeing with you doesn't get you an unflattering label. My bad if it does.

 

[Stash]

Roy Williams in 2008 as a Cowboy...19 receptions
Miles Austin in 2008...13 receptions
Sam Hurd in 2008...IR
Isaiah Stanback in 2008...2 receptions
Patrick Crayton in 2008...39 receptions

By my count that is 73 receptions.

Matt Jones in 2008...65 receptions.


The insinuation being he is more productive than our entire WR corps as currently constituted.

There's no 'insinuation' that he's more productive. The fact is that the guy had almost as many receptions as the Cowboys' current group in 12 games, no more, no less.

It more or less refutes the 'worthless' argument the less-informed try to perpetuate.

First of all I submit that he will not only not equal his 2008 production, but that 2 of our WRs will have more production than him and I don't mean combined. Two of our WRs will out produce him in 2009.

Someone will say, "but he has to end up on a team in 2008 or it doesn't count." It doesn't? Then adding Hurd to the mix shouldn't count either should it? That sort of blunts (pardon the pun) the entire point of his 2008 production being equal to our entire corps.

OK.

Will that argument prove that he's not good enough to be on this team?

By that standard, if Austin or Hurd don't equal those numbers, they wouldn't be good enough either, right?

Besides it isn't my fault that he's a blithering idiot who got busted once for cocaine (his first time ever to try it or any drug ) and another time for violation of his probation. It isn't my fault that 30 NFL teams are leery of signing him at this point, 1 NFL team booted his butt despite him being their receptions leader at WR (we can identify with that strategy here), and one team will be desperate and give him a chance.

Yeah, I'm sure they simply haven't caught up to Tony Romo's drug habits either, right? I mean despite the fact that Tony hasn't failed any drug tests either, I'm sure he's up to no good too. I mean just because he hasn't been caught doesn't make him innocent.

On top of this the claim only takes into consideration receptions. I much prefer scores. Lo and behold this icon of WRs only had 2 scores in 2008. Two of our unworthy candidates had more than that. One of them, Crayton doubled it. One guy exceeded that total with only 13 receptions. I don't see the need for a guy who catches a lot of balls but can't get in the endzone.

To me, discussing his worthiness is blunted (pardon the pun again) by the fact that handing the job of #2 WR to someone should indicate that WR is an impact player. I see nothing about him that indicates he is capable of impact except on the psyche of any team that counts on him should he happen to decide to try cocaine a 2nd time .

Did someone advocate Jones being the #2 receiver?

Now in reflection I think the only fair comparison to him would be Patrick Crayton. Fairly or unfairly Crayton got pushed aside in 2008. His one season as a starter in 2007 he more than proved to me he can handle the job. I openly admit I have said I prefer him as the #3 guy, but I'll take him at #2 and be more than content. When he had his chance at the brass ring he got in the endzone 7 times. Nearly 4 times as often as Matt Jones did when he got his chance, and he did it in fewer receptions than Jones had.

Why would Crayton be the only fair comparison?

Crayton's one season as as starter, he also had two All-Pros drawing all the coverage away. That's not a knock on Crayton, he's a solid player who's worked hard to get to where he is. It's just a fact of the circumstances.

But I don't see how Jones/Crayton is the only fair comparison you can make. I think it would be just as fair to compare him to Stanback, another former QB making the transition to receiver, although that's not much of a comparison.

I guess Matt's problem is that he gets distracted by those white lines on the field. Rather than crossing them he thinks about putting them up his nose. Naw, that was a one time mistake.

He got caught once. That's the only proof anyone has.

 

[Hostile]

There's no 'insinuation' that he's more productive. The fact is that the guy had almost as many receptions as the Cowboys' current group in 12 games, no more, no less.

It more or less refutes the 'worthless' argument the less-informed try to perpetuate.

Actually it doesn't because the Cowboys had RBs and TEs that they threw the ball to that takes away from throwing to the WRs and we also had a #1 WR who was a part of the passing equation.

OK.

Will that argument prove that he's not good enough to be on this team?

By that standard, if Austin or Hurd don't equal those numbers, they wouldn't be good enough either, right?

My claim is not that he can't make the team. My claim is that he is not a significant upgrade to go out and acquire him.

Yeah, I'm sure they simply haven't caught up to Tony Romo's drug habits either, right? I mean despite the fact that Tony hasn't failed any drug tests either, I'm sure he's up to no good too. I mean just because he hasn't been caught doesn't make him innocent.

:laugh2:

This is beyond reaching Stash. This borders on absolute desperation.

Did someone advocate Jones being the #2 receiver?

Yes, several times. You've been involved in every discussion on Jones, how can you not know that?

Why would Crayton be the only fair comparison?

Because none of the other guys on our squad have been a top 2 WR on any team.

Crayton's one season as as starter, he also had two All-Pros drawing all the coverage away. That's not a knock on Crayton, he's a solid player who's worked hard to get to where he is. It's just a fact of the circumstances.

Jones would have the same situation here if we signed him. So his stats would again be insigificant rather than truly assistive to the overall success of the team.

But I don't see how Jones/Crayton is the only fair comparison you can make. I think it would be just as fair to compare him to Stanback, another former QB making the transition to receiver, although that's not much of a comparison.

You can do that if you want. It really doesn't interest me. Crayton was a college QB too. That comparison does interest me and makes the most sense to me. Therefore I used it.

He got caught once. That's the only proof anyone has.

Oh I admit I don't have any proof. I also will tell you that it isn't my first rodeo. I don't for one minute believe that anyone tries cocaine as their very first drug, is brave enough to do it in a car with windows where someone might see, and knows how to cut cocaine with no assistance at all. I'm simply not that naive nor will I pretned to be.

 

[Big Dakota]

Yeah, I'm sure they simply haven't caught up to Tony Romo's drug habits either, right? I mean despite the fact that Tony hasn't failed any drug tests either, I'm sure he's up to no good too. I mean just because he hasn't been caught doesn't make him innocent.



Good GOD, have we all gone insane?!?!?!

Training camp boo boo's have doomed us. Buehler has to kick 3 out of 4 through the endzone and make 5 ST tackles every game to be worth keeping. Matt Jones is single-handedly better than every one of our WRs combined.

People say the offseason is bad, but holy crap, things just get worse when the season gets closer:laugh2:

 

[Stash]

Yeah, I'm sure they simply haven't caught up to Tony Romo's drug habits either, right? I mean despite the fact that Tony hasn't failed any drug tests either, I'm sure he's up to no good too. I mean just because he hasn't been caught doesn't make him innocent.



Good GOD, have we all gone insane?!?!?!

Training camp boo boo's have doomed us. Buehler has to kick 3 out of 4 through the endzone and make 5 ST tackles every game to be worth keeping. Matt Jones is single-handedly better than every one of our WRs combined.

People say the offseason is bad, but holy crap, things just get worse when the season gets closer:laugh2:

Nice that you can detect sarcasm when you see it.

 

[Stash]

But hey, I'm done hijacking a thread about a Roy Williams injury that turned out to be a false alarm with Matt Jones talk.

I don't think the Cowboys will sign him and as long as their receivers remain healthy, I don't see a need.

 

[Big Dakota]

Nice that you can detect sarcasm when you see it.

( :laugh2: ) Nice you can detect a joke.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Yesterday anyone who agreed with me was an *** kisser. It didn't matter than I was right. Butts got seriously sore I guess.

Ah I see now it makes sense.

 

[dbair1967]

I don't think the Cowboys will sign him and as long as their receivers remain healthy, I don't see a need.

It doesnt appear anyone wants to sign him.

Kinda says alot doesnt it?