davidyee;3325760 said:
You are much too Madden for me and the point you are trying to flog departs from the overall draft value of Allen versus Irvin as you completely disregard the road taken by Allen to reach the heights he has.
I'm too Madden for you? You're the one talking up Larry Allen over Irvin. LOL The only player Madden had a bigger man crush on over Allen was Favre.
davidyee;3325760 said:
...I don't know too many GMs who would take Irvin over Allen with the #1 draft.
How would you know? There can't possibly be a GM out there who's ever discussed this particular topic. LOL This discussion is so nuts it's hilarious. :laugh2: If there were GM's faced with having to take either one #1 overall more would take a playmaker over a LT. You might want to go to youtube and watch all the many plays he made during his career.
davidyee;3325760 said:
You can talk SB and play making all you want, but flogging that dead horse is ignoring the contributions of the other (52). it sounds so Madden it ins't even funny anymore.
I'm not ignoring the contributions of the other 52 players I mentioned Aikman, Emmitt and Haley but the discussion was which pick was better Irvin or Allen. No player on our 90's teams made more of an impact than Emmitt Smith. He meant as much to the success of our 90's teams as Roger Staubach meant to our 70's teams. Our entire offense revolved around Emmitt and our running game. The Cowboys had great "teams" in the 90's but the success of all great teams are centered around several skill position players. It's those players who get you over the top. It's not easy finding the Montana's, Rice's, Irvin's, Akiman's and Emmitt Smith's. It those "special" players that dynasties are built around.
davidyee;3325760 said:
This is a QB driven league. The principle part of a QBs game is not guys who are receiving the ball, but rather the protection that allows him to find which part of the field that has been left uncovered by the defence.
The principle part of a QB having success is having good receivers to throw to. Sure they need protection but behind every "great" QB there's been a great WR or TE. Elway is about the only great QB who didn't have a "great" WR but he had a great TE in Shannon Sharp. The HOF is loaded with great QB/WR combo's. Terry Bradshaw was just another QB until Swann and Stallworth came along.
davidyee;3325760 said:
Of the past (4) SuperBowl winners who do you know of those teams is on the pace to become a Hall candidate in the mould of Irvin? I would say NONE!
That goes to show how special Irvin was that's why you don't take a LT over him no matter how dominant. Two of the last three SB's were decided by plays by WR's in the final seconds. The players who've impacted the game most are skill position players. You just don't pass up a great skill position player for a guy who blocks. Like I keep saying it's alot easier finding some fat guy who can hold his position and block than it is finding a great WR, QB or RB who can put points on the board. Teams have given up an arm and a leg for players like that. The two biggest trades in NFL history involved RB's. Teams don't give up multiple picks for LT's.
davidyee;3325760 said:
Guys like Irvin will and have been covered and held off the stat sheet. You don't hold Larry Allen back from doing his job.
Alot of the times Irvin was covered and left off the stat sheet the Cowboys lost unless Emmitt had a big day. Stopping the triplets usually meant a loss for the Cowboys. Allen did his job as well as anyone ever did but that didn't prevent the Cowboys from having 5 losing seasons in his 12 yr career in Dallas.