Do not go out on Sunday and make any attempts to beat the Skins

[JoeKing]

Nah. The Skins will play it smart and we will be outcoached once more to commemorate yet another incredible year of ineptitude. We will run up the score on them and think we actually did something.

I sure hope you're right. My Uncle would love seeing that.

 

[Beast_from_East]

"Winning attitude"... "Losing attitude"... can anyone verify that those actually exist as far as being indicators of future success (or failure)?

To me it's all about the "horses" you bring, and then how you use them. The team with the better players and better game plan is going to win most of the time... And it doesn't matter if they've lost the previous half-dozen.

If "Winning attitude" was all that, then Japan and Germany would have won WWII going away.

Exactly...........besides, no player or coach is talking about tanking here, it is simply fans who think a higher draft pick is more beneficial in the long run than winning a meaningless game.

And yes, I don't care what anybody says, this game is as meaningless as it comes. The Skins have already won the division, are all ready locked into the 4th seed, and have publicly stated that health is the main issue this week and they will rest most of their starters for the playoff game next week. They are going to clear their bench and play nothing but scrubs because they do not want to risk an injury to anybody important.

So beating a team that publicly says health is more important than winning is something to beat your chest over? That is an accomplishment?

Bottom Line..............Don't go 1-10 without Romo and then tell me this week means anything. When it actually mattered, the team couldn't beat Div 3 Western Omaha so don't come up in the finale talking about needing this game to establish a winning attitude for next year, especially when your opponent would rather just forfeit than even bother making the trip because they actually have important games coming up and don't want to risk an injury beating scrub teams like us.

 

[jnday]

Lowest we can drop is 8

Last time I checked, the higher the pick, the more options are available. Even if it means trading down , the result will be more/higher picks. Winning this game does nothing for the long term improvement of this team.

 

[Bleu Star]

My faith has been restored. I thought we lost all of our fans to the perpetual mindset. But there are still plenty of voices of reason in here.

 

[vaturkey]

Based on what I'm reading here, we should take everyone who is the least bit injured and put them on IR for this game and pull up whomever from the practice squad to round out the squad. Be interesting reading the Dallas Morning News on Monday if that happened. The question is would it all be considered part of the process?

All joking aside, we will try to win I'm sure. This season is a pile of mud, but those guys who are leaving their blood and guts on the field aren't going to tank. Their jobs are on the line and they are already playing to leave an impression for next year.

 

[Bleu Star]

Connor Cook's goose got cooked last night. That performance may have dropped him deep into the 2nd round.

 

[Bleu Star]

Goff or bust.

 

[Bleu Star]

Based on what I'm reading here, we should take everyone who is the least bit injured and put them on IR for this game and pull up whomever from the practice squad to round out the squad. Be interesting reading the Dallas Morning News on Monday if that happened. The question is would it all be considered part of the process?

All joking aside, we will try to win I'm sure. This season is a pile of mud, but those guys who are leaving their blood and guts on the field aren't going to tank. Their jobs are on the line and they are already playing to leave an impression for next year.

I guess some of you guys just aren't getting it.

1. This game means nothing.

2. In the history of the NFL, every year teams shut it down in the last game either due to having locked up a playoff spot that the game won't change (Skins) or already having a high draft pick due to yet another woefully underperforming season (Us).

3. Expect the Skins to play reserves for the most part.

4. The major question here is will we play reserves as well or will we actually play a majority of starters and risk injury in a game that means zilch?

5. If we win this game, our draft slotting can be affected negatively by 4 or 5 slots.

6. We may be able to slot ourselves high enough to get Goff but we will most likely never realize that opportunity if we utilize the same basic mindset used all season and try to approach this game firing on all cylinders.

7. If a Skin team comprised of mostly backups beats our basic team on Sunday full of starters this forum would spontaneously combust.

8. Get to the postseason healthy with the highest draft pick humanly possible.

9. The higher your draft pick, the more power you have in early May whether it be selecting your next franchise QB or trading down to a hive more value in the early rounds.

10. If you purchased tickets to this game, take something with you to keep you entertained. If both teams do what they should do on Sunday, this has all the makings of a pre-season game environment where both teams evaluate fringe players for offseason moves.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Last time I checked, the higher the pick, the more options are available. Even if it means trading down , the result will be more/higher picks. Winning this game does nothing for the long term improvement of this team.

I once heard a very smart man say there there are busts and hits found all over the draft so who you pick is far more important than where you pick.

 

[bkeavs]

I once heard a very smart man say there there are busts and hits found all over the draft so who you pick is far more important than where you pick.

It's like playing Texas holdem. I would rather have been dealt pocket aces than a 3 and a 4. Sure I can lose the hand with pocket aces but I like my odds a whole
Lot better than the other hand

 

[DallasEast]

Some people place much of their own stock into what they think, believe or flat out hope will happen in the draft. In actuality, no one knows how a particular team's draft board will play out. Additionally, no one can fathom how well or poorly evey college player shall perform during their NFL career--for the particular team they were drafted by--regardless of their draft position or whether certain players are even selected during the draft.

The best college players will be selected through proper evaluation. Selection through draft position and negotiation are relative to how well each team's front office does their homework and perceive other teams' wants and needs. Some observers will find personal solace in playing the odds of draft slotting. Good luck.

Meanwhile, there's one game remaining in this lost season. One team will win. One team will lose. Both may tie. It would be great if there was some way of knowing ahead of time how the game will end on Sunday... you know... like how some people know how the draft will play out months from now...

 

[Bleu Star]

Pocket aces > a 3 and a 4 (in the world of probability which is the essential foundation of this argument)

 

[FLCowboyFan]

I find the conversation around draft picks in interesting. People act like when you pick doesn't matter (heck bust can happen anywhere). If that is the case why didn't we take Andrew Luck or Marcus Mariota? Because they got taken BEFORE WE DRAFTED! The higher you pick the better your odds are. Can you screw it up? Of course just like you could if you picked 24th. But you get to take players before others do and because of that you get your pick.

I'm hoping we get the highest draft pick possible. We need an understudy for Romo and this is our best chance to get a top tier guy. Sure some of you are right that we could find that one in a million guy in the lower rounds. But I'd rather give drafting a guy who the scouts think will succeed in the NFL at a high level.

 

[Bleu Star]

That freshman NW quarterback Thorson is a gamer and, to be as big as he is, he's deceptively fast. [sarcasm]Let's wait a few year and draft him. By that time, Romo's mandatory AARP membership will have kicked in and the FO will be forced to finally let him rest.[/sarcasm]

 

[jnday]

Based on what I'm reading here, we should take everyone who is the least bit injured and put them on IR for this game and pull up whomever from the practice squad to round out the squad. Be interesting reading the Dallas Morning News on Monday if that happened. The question is would it all be considered part of the process?

All joking aside, we will try to win I'm sure. This season is a pile of mud, but those guys who are leaving their blood and guts on the field aren't going to tank. Their jobs are on the line and they are already playing to leave an impression for next year.

I hope those blood and guts that are left on the field comes from young players that needs evaluating instead of veterans that have proven themselves.

 

[Bleu Star]

I just had to steal this because it truly paints the picture more clearly for those of us that are blinded by a meaningless game. All credit to @csirl for doing some great research.

21 of the 32 QBs who started 2015 as their teams clear starter entered the league via the first round. A further 3 were 2nd round picks.

There are approximately 100 QBs who are on regular season rosters in any season.

Approx two thirds of the starters were drafted in the first round.

Of the approx 25 active first rounders, more than 80% are starting.

Of the approx 75 others, c.15% are starting.

The stats don't lie.

 

[rpntex]

His "skin" is already safe...at least for one more year.

I get it...Dallas benefits more by losing this game than they would by winning it. Still, it's nothing short of moronic to think that any professional would (or should) go out and not give their best to win every game. That goes for coaches and players. People are playing for jobs, and to each of them, that's a lot more important than a draft pick.

Nobody is screwing this up by trying to win.

 

[rpntex]

Pocket aces > a 3 and a 4 (in the world of probability which is the essential foundation of this argument)

The gap between pockets aces and a 3-4 is much greater than the difference between #3 and #8. Aces would be the #1 pick in the draft, while a 3-4 is one of the worst statistical hands you can start with...not the 32nd pick (that would be 2-7 unsuited), but more like the 25th. Comparing those two hands to the Cowboys' situation is an invalid analogy.

 

[Bleu Star]

The gap between pockets aces and a 3-4 is much greater than the difference between #3 and #8. Aces would be the #1 pick in the draft, while a 3-4 is one of the worst statistical hands you can start with...not the 32nd pick (that would be 2-7 unsuited), but more like the 25th. Comparing those two hands to the Cowboys' situation is an invalid analogy.

It is an extremely valid analogy in terms of probability. Buy there's no convincing you. You have it all figured out.

I'm just glad that my gut feels good regarding our Cowboys sending out more 2nd & 3rd string professionals than anything to play their guys out and compete for a spot on the roster next year. I just hope they don't play us into a #8 draft pick.

I would really love to see Chaz Green given the fact that his draft pick should have been a bell cow RB.

Note: La'el Collins doubtful for Sunday. There will be more announcements like him before gametime. Good job Cowboys. Smart play for once this year.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The gap between pockets aces and a 3-4 is much greater than the difference between #3 and #8. Aces would be the #1 pick in the draft, while a 3-4 is one of the worst statistical hands you can start with...not the 32nd pick (that would be 2-7 unsuited), but more like the 25th. Comparing those two hands to the Cowboys' situation is an invalid analogy.

You pick 5 spots higher EVERY round.

And what are we dropping 5 spots for? Winning a pointless game?

What part of hoping to give up draft positioning and getting back nothing in return is stupid don't you understand?