Do not go out on Sunday and make any attempts to beat the Skins

[rpntex]

Over

You pick 5 spots higher EVERY round.

And what are we dropping 5 spots for? Winning a pointless game?

What part of hoping to give up draft positioning and getting back nothing in return is stupid don't you understand?

Overreact much? I was pointing out that the gap between 3-8 is not as huge as the gap between 1-25.

You read a LOT into my post that wasn't there.

 

[rpntex]

It is an extremely valid analogy in terms of probability. Buy there's no convincing you. You have it all figured out.

I'm just glad that my gut feels good regarding our Cowboys sending out more 2nd & 3rd string professionals than anything to play their guys out and compete for a spot on the roster next year. I just hope they don't play us into a #8 draft pick.

I would really love to see Chaz Green given the fact that his draft pick should have been a bell cow RB.

Note: La'el Collins doubtful for Sunday. There will be more announcements like him before gametime. Good job Cowboys. Smart play for once this year.

Actually, not... especially in terms of probability. Pocket aces has an 81% probability of inning a hand against any other starting hand. 3-4 has a 7% chance of winning against any random hand (11% if suited). I would think that the #1 pick has at least an 81% chance of panning out in the NFL, but the #25 pick has far better than a 7% chance. The disparity between 3 and 8 isn't that great...nor is it even close.

In terms of trade value, the #3 is far more valuable. I completely understand that. In terms of actually talent, it's not as much (though still more valuable). My issue was with comparing the Cowboys' situation to those two specific hands in poker. They don't compare.

By the way...NOWHERE in any of my posts have I said the Cowboys should go balls out to win this game. I think the individuals will do just that, and should do just that. Tell someone who's playing for his job to not try and win. It doesn't happen that way.

Like you, I'm hoping we see all the young guys like Damien Wilson, Chaz Green, et al give their best effort.

 

[Bleu Star]

Like you, I'm hoping we see all the young guys like Damien Wilson, Chaz Green, et al give their best effort.

Common ground.

Cheers

 

[Bleu Star]

And just for the record.... my original thread title was

"Mail it in..."

and a mod changed it to

"Do not go out on Sunday and make any attempts to beat the Skins"

Major difference in impact. You can mail it in while still making an attempt to win. You just can't win. Lol..

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Over


Overreact much? I was pointing out that the gap between 3-8 is not as huge as the gap between 1-25.

You read a LOT into my post that wasn't there.

You pointed out something nobody said.

Yes 8 is a much higher pick than 25.

News at 11.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Do not (I repeat) do not go out on Sunday and make any attempts to beat the Skins. The ability to trade down for value from a top 3 pick is so much more appealing than #7 or 8... We should be resting anyone of value that does not require further evaluation. Guys like Showers should be dressed and ready to take a half of football. This should be treated very much like a preseason game. What do we have to gain here against the Skins? ZILCH!

We already beat the Skins this year when it mattered. Winning this game would suck and I have no doubt Jerry would throw up a little in his throat if, at the final bell, the Cowboys are ahead of the Skins. I would even venture to say some of you will too. Let the backups battle it out for early slotting next year. This isn't tanking 101 here... This is one game with one outcome that has already been determined.

For once coaches, go with a winning strategy.

100% agreed.

Winning this game would be akin to shooting ourselves in the foot.

 

[jnday]

I once heard a very smart man say there there are busts and hits found all over the draft so who you pick is far more important than where you pick.

I heard a smart man say one time that the more options you have, the better chance you have of getting what you want/need.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I would really love to see Chaz Green given the fact that his draft pick should have been a bell cow RB.

Exactly who?

 

[Bleu Star]

Exactly who?

Chaz might actually turn out to be worthy of the pick. I recognize that.

 

[LatinMind]

Hope this team wins

 

[LatinMind]

Exactly who?

Don't you like that? Calling out a draft pick for a rb that they can't name.

 

[Bleu Star]

Don't you like that? Calling out a draft pick for a rb that they can't name.

I could start naming running backs but is it really worth that? I gave an honest response.

 

[Beast_from_East]

It's like playing Texas holdem. I would rather have been dealt pocket aces than a 3 and a 4. Sure I can lose the hand with pocket aces but I like my odds a whole
Lot better than the other hand

Exactly.........simple logic

The higher up the draft you pick, typically the better of player is available because everybody else watches film also. It is no coincidence that most of the boards around the NFL are pretty similar for the top 10 picks in the draft, it is after that that you start to see where teams differ on grading.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Some people place much of their own stock into what they think, believe or flat out hope will happen in the draft. In actuality, no one knows how a particular team's draft board will play out. Additionally, no one can fathom how well or poorly evey college player shall perform during their NFL career--for the particular team they were drafted by--regardless of their draft position or whether certain players are even selected during the draft.

The best college players will be selected through proper evaluation. Selection through draft position and negotiation are relative to how well each team's front office does their homework and perceive other teams' wants and needs. Some observers will find personal solace in playing the odds of draft slotting. Good luck.

Meanwhile, there's one game remaining in this lost season. One team will win. One team will lose. Both may tie. It would be great if there was some way of knowing ahead of time how the game will end on Sunday... you know... like how some people know how the draft will play out months from now...

It is not about being able to tell the future or being able to predict if a certain player will be any good or not, it is about giving the team as much ammunition as possible to be able to field a much better team in the future.

Trading from pick #4 to pick #8 could net you a 2nd round draft pick........to do whatever with, again not predicting jack........just an extra 2nd rounder.

Would you give up a 2nd round pick to beat a Skins team full of 2nd and 3rd teamers? And exactly how does this improve the franchise?

 

[Beast_from_East]

I find the conversation around draft picks in interesting. People act like when you pick doesn't matter (heck bust can happen anywhere). If that is the case why didn't we take Andrew Luck or Marcus Mariota? Because they got taken BEFORE WE DRAFTED! The higher you pick the better your odds are. Can you screw it up? Of course just like you could if you picked 24th. But you get to take players before others do and because of that you get your pick.

I'm hoping we get the highest draft pick possible. We need an understudy for Romo and this is our best chance to get a top tier guy. Sure some of you are right that we could find that one in a million guy in the lower rounds. But I'd rather give drafting a guy who the scouts think will succeed in the NFL at a high level.

You nailed it..................this is such a basic concept that so many fail to grasp. The higher up you are, you get to pick before other teams do.

Philly offered the Titans 3 first round picks to trade up and take Marriotta and the Titans said no..........so why didn't Philly just draft another QB since they are so easy to find and where you draft does not matter?

Where they were drafting meant a hell of a lot to the Titans WHO WANTED MORE THAN 3 ONEs...............draft slotting meant a hell of a lot to Philly as well, since they were willing to part with 3 first rounders.

Why did Atlanta trade two first rounders for Julio Jones? Why did the Commanders trade a small fortune to the Rams for RG3? Why are any teams making trades moving up and down in the first round if it doesn't matter where you draft? If players are so easy to find in any round, why not just find a WR in the late 1st round if you are Atlanta?

Why is our own Jerry Jones "lusting" after a high draft pick if it doesn't matter where you draft?

 

[LatinMind]

I could start naming running backs but is it really worth that? I gave an honest response.

To be honest McFadden has been one of the most consistent rbs in the nfl this ur. And there's no rb that would've done better that's not named gurley or Rawls. And Dallas wanted both. So they def had rbs that were successful on their want list. One was just drafted early and the other chose a different team.

 

[Bleu Star]

To be honest McFadden has been one of the most consistent rbs in the nfl this ur. And there's no rb that would've done better that's not named gurley or Rawls. And Dallas wanted both. So they def had rbs that were successful on their want list. One was just drafted early and the other chose a different team.

McFadden gets you yards but he doesn't get you the tough yards. Teams know this and they used it to their collective advantage all year long. McFadden, while a serviceable RB, doesn't scare anyone. Short yardage generally consists of him awaiting the first defender that taps him so he can fall down. That's not a jab in any way. It's the eye test & the eyes are in good shape. We need a bell cow. Someone that can play all four downs. Having that flexibility at the primary RB position opens us up to incredible versatility and much lower predictability.

 

[LatinMind]

McFadden gets you yards but he doesn't get you the tough yards. Teams know this and they used it to their collective advantage all year long. McFadden, while a serviceable RB, doesn't scare anyone. Short yardage generally consists of him awaiting the first defender that taps him so he can fall down. That's not a jab in any way. It's the eye test & the eyes are in good shape. We need a bell cow. Someone that can play all four downs. Having that flexibility at the primary RB position opens us up to incredible versatility and much lower predictability.

And who was that bell cow that speak of instead of drafting Chaz?

 

[Fredd]

I read somewhere that the skins want to win to have momentum going into the playoffs...that being said, no tony, no dez, no offense game plan...I can't see us scoring more than 10 (not joking)...so, if Wash gets to 14 by halftime, start looking at potential draft positions with 4 wins

 

[Bleu Star]

And who was that bell cow that speak of instead of drafting Chaz?

Since you just had to unnecessarily push the subject, here you go sir....

TJ Yeldon
Ameer Abdulla
Duke Johnson
Matt Jones
My boy Mike Davis
Jay Ajay
Karlos Williams
Cameron Artis-Payne

All were rbs taken between the 2nd & 5th rounds and all have contributed in some capacity this year with potential to become bell cows for their respective teams.

Chaz hasn't seen the field. I would love to see him tomorrow.... 2nd stringers competing for clarity in the offseason. That's all I want to see. Hungry 2nd stringers.