Do the WR math

[Diehardblues]

Please explain why we need Beasley and Switzer?

 

[LittleD]

Great call. And I'll also add in that none of this year's receivers is considered #1 material.

You cut Dez at this stage and you're not replacing him with a #1 guy. You're hoping to pick up the slack with a whole lot of #2.

It's sad but true. Dez is far down the long road from being a #1 WR. He's not likely to get back to that level either.

 

[BigStar]

Linehan's offense and Beasley being doubled on 3rd down hurt Dak. Other team's defenses figured out how to stop Dak without
Zeke.

They doubled him with LBs, not DBs. Don't see how that really affects outside coverage tbh? If anything, it takes away the ability to be creative with your outside receivers by allowing teams to figure Beasley out and taking away the underneath outside; interrupts screen opps too.

 

[Stash]

It's sad but true. Dez is far down the long road from being a #1 WR. He's not likely to get back to that level either.

I agree, he's not what he once was. But I'd also point out that nobody on this roster is close to what he still is, either.

At this point in time, if he refuses a pay cut, I keep him for one more year with every intention of replacing him in 2019. When I actually can.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's sad but true. Dez is far down the long road from being a #1 WR. He's not likely to get back to that level either.

I’m not sure Dak at this stage can fully utilize a #1 reciever?

Maybe we don’t need one until Dak ( assuming he can) learns to throw into coverage.

 

[OmerV]

No, more a flyer in the 5-6-UDFAs. I don't want to get rid of Witten but is also overpaid, just share snaps as the #1TE and not making the 12 package bc not such an obv running situation where Witten is the only passing threat of the two TEs.

With Hanna, Swaim, Jarwin and Rico already with the Cowboys I don't know that using a late pick really makes much sense. It's unlikely anyone chosen that late would be enough of an upgrade, if at all, that it would justify using a pick on them.

Witten probably is overpaid, but he is always willing to work with the team on restructuring to make cap space, as he did again recently. I agree that others should get snaps at TE as well, and not just as additional blockers, but as receivers. I could be wrong, but I doubt Witten we be upset about that as long as he still plays a meaningful role.

 

[LittleD]

They doubled him with LBs, not DBs. Don't see how that really affects outside coverage tbh? If anything, it takes away the ability to be creative with your outside receivers by allowing teams to figure Beasley out and taking away the underneath outside.

Yes, they used LB's but, also used safeties which came down to cut off his route separation. Look back at the tapes.

 

[Diehardblues]

Perhaps our resources would be better used elsewhere?

Ok . So where we spending that 12.5 million this year. And how is that going to improve us over Dez?

Or is this just about flexing our muscles with Dez?

 

[Diehardblues]

I agree, he's not what he once was. But I'd also point out that nobody on this roster is close to what he still is, either.

At this point in time, if he refuses a pay cut, I keep him for one more year with every intention of replacing him in 2019. When I actually can.

These 2nd contracts aren’t always about what they are now. It’s often more about what they were during their Rookie contracts .

When you consider the bargain he was the first 5 years the 2nd contracts have a way of balancing it out.

I still haven’t heard from anyone where we’re going to utilize the 12.5 million if we cut Dez and why I’ve questioned this speculation from the beginning.

 

[BigStar]

With Hanna, Swaim, Jarwin and Rico already with the Cowboys I don't know that using a late pick really makes much sense. It's unlikely anyone chosen that late would be enough of an upgrade, if at all, that it would justify using a pick on them.

Witten probably is overpaid, but he is always willing to work with the team on restructuring to make cap space, as he did again recently. I agree that others should get snaps at TE as well, and not just as additional blockers, but as receivers. I could be wrong, but I doubt Witten we be upset about that as long as he still plays a meaningful role.

I can see Hanna definitely filling that role if he's 100%, but really just comes back to the team implementing and Witten allowing it. I get ya, got plenty of late rounders already, was more thinking more tweeners TE/WRs to give the O some speed similar to Rico.

 

[BigStar]

Yes, they used LB's but, also used safeties which came down to cut off his route separation. Look back at the tapes.

All our WR numbers were down across the board, our O got figured out. We didn't adjust.

 

[Stash]

These 2nd contracts aren’t always about what they are now. It’s often more about what they were during their Rookie contracts .

When you consider the bargain he was the first 5 years the 2nd contracts have a way of balancing it out.

I still haven’t heard from anyone where we’re going to utilize the 12.5 million if we cut Dez and why I’ve questioned this speculation from the beginning.

That's what doesn't make sense for me either.

Does someone want to claim that we were waiting on this money to suddenly sign Navarro Bowman at middle linebacker or Tre Boston at free safety?

If they wanted to, I think they could have gotten other deals done or adjusted to do that and not have to wait or risk someone else signing those guys.

No, at this point, I don't see any plan or any good reason to drop your best receiver after free agency has dried up and you have no viable way of replacing him.

 

[Diehardblues]

That's what doesn't make sense for me either.

Does someone want to claim that we were waiting on this money to suddenly sign Navarro Bowman at middle linebacker or Tre Boston at free safety?

If they wanted to, I think they could have gotten other deals done or adjusted to do that and not have to wait or risk someone else signing those guys.

No, at this point, I don't see any plan or any good reason to drop your best receiver after free agency has dried up and you have no viable way of replacing him.

Right !!

And why I’ve maintained this appears to all be jockeying by the FO to negotiate Dez reconstructing his contract which I think he will.

 

[jazzcat22]

Witten is the one guy that keeps the locker room in order and that every player is accountable to. He's not overpaid, even though he's not the player he used to be.

Demarco Murray said he owes his success to Witten. He tells every player he can to watch and mimic everything Witten does.

That's more valuable than any coach we have.

You mean Murray's one year of success?

But agree, every player should learn from Witten, but it is time to get other TE's more involved. But then again, getting the running game back on track, can mean Witten gets open more to get that extra 1/2 yard for the 1st down.

 

[jrumann59]

With a RPO offense, Dak needs quick WR's who resemble the old Smurfs from the Commanders all those years ago. Dak needs
quick WR's who can pivot on a dime and create immediate separation. Dak can deliver quickly or take off on the run.

a RPO is paint by numbers scheme similar to the Read Option. Dak would get destroyed once teams figure out how to make him run

 

[jrumann59]

They doubled him with LBs, not DBs. Don't see how that really affects outside coverage tbh? If anything, it takes away the ability to be creative with your outside receivers by allowing teams to figure Beasley out and taking away the underneath outside; interrupts screen opps too.

The Beasley play relies on Beasley or Switzer to read the leverage the DB has on him and then running the route in the opposite direction. So teams kept a LB/S near the middle of the field to neutralize the option route. Since Beasley cannot go deep effectively all he has are ins, outs, and slants. Good thing he can run the whole route tree.

 

[OmerV]

I can see Hanna definitely filling that role if he's 100%, but really just comes back to the team implementing and Witten allowing it. I get ya, got plenty of late rounders already, was more thinking more tweeners TE/WRs to give the O some speed similar to Rico.

You're exactly right - that's been the case for years. They used some high draft picks on TEs they never really worked in as receivers.

As for Witten, it would be interesting to know his thoughts. Like I said, my guess is Witten probably wouldn't be that upset to see another TE worked into the mix more, but obviously I don't know that. Even if that's not true, the team can't let that stop them from doing what needs to be done. We have 2 TE's in the game a lot of times anyway, so to have another as an occasional receiving target rather than just a blocker would only add to the weapons at the team's disposal.

 

[erod]

You think Dak could carry us with his arm like Russell had to last year. I’m assuming your being hopeful??

Running Dak is RG3. They don't last long.

Even a hoss like Cam Newton has regressed because of too many hits.

 

[Diehardblues]

Running Dak is RG3. They don't last long.

Even a hoss like Cam Newton has regressed because of too many hits.

You didn’t address my question . Lol

Your thinking we’re going to start running Dak?

 

[LittleD]

a RPO is paint by numbers scheme similar to the Read Option. Dak would get destroyed once teams figure out how to make him run

I pretty much agree but, that is the system Dak used in college and he does not seem to be able to function in an old fashion
offense like Garrett prefers. Maybe Linehan can come up with something new but, we have to have WR's who can help Dak out and
we didn't have them last year without Zeke being in the lineup.