CFZ Do we actually have fans who believe Dak is Elite?

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rambo2 said:
How do you think the Saints will do with Lane Johnson out? Will they be attacking that right tackle spot? Couldn't that cause some turnovers? How do you think that game will go? Will the Eagles or the Saints win?
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The Saints will do better if Hurts is out, not Lane Johnson.
 
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I guess the better question is why does it bother so many alleged Cowboys fans if people DO consider him to be elite? Some people do, some people don't. Neither group has any influence over how he actually plays..
 
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RonnieT24 said:
I've always defined elite as being in the 90th percentile at your craft. That means that if there are 90 QBs in the NFL (there's probably more like 100) you have to be in the top 9 to elite to me. I don't think there is much of an argument that Dak gets in under that wire. He's 8th in passer rating, 5th in yards per attempt, 2nd in completion percentage 2nd in TD percentage. 7th in QBR... Oh and his team wins 70% of his starts. That's pretty much the definition of elite QB play to me. The only thing keeping him out of the top 5 IMHO is the INTs but 4 of those have bounced off receivers hands, chest or facemask and at least 4 others have just been receivers not finishing routes. I know that's all part of football but when evaluating a play and a player you have to look at everything.

There is certainly opportunity for Dak to climb into that top 5 discussion if he finishes out the season playing at the level he played against Philly. Two more games like that one oughta do it. Especially if he has a similar performance against Washington. But at the end of the day.. it's about winning. Dak has to guide this team to 5 (or 6) more wins to silence the critics. Yes there will still be some dug in asswipes even if he's standing on the podium in February accepting the Super Bowl MVP trophy.. But there's nothing you can do about those people.. You can't fix stupid.
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Ronnie, your definitions are as fair as anyone's. Your statistical sorts-- compl. avg., QBR, TD % are fine as a definition. But you did say that "end of the day, it's about winning." (top 5 discussion). I'm rehashing, but that could be where the jury's still out on Dak, -the most talked about statistical category....winning games in the tournament. (post season). Dakota's a good, skilled NFL quarterback. But I dont think we should put him on Mt. Olympus yet.
 
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MS17 said:
Ronnie, your definitions are as fair as anyone's. Your statistical sorts-- compl. avg., QBR, TD % are fine as a definition. But you did say that "end of the day, it's about winning." (top 5 discussion). I'm rehashing, but that could be where the jury's still out on Dak, -the most talked about statistical category....winning games in the tournament. (post season). Dakota's a good, skilled NFL quarterback. But I dont think we should put him on Mt. Olympus yet.
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Did you mean Mount Rushmore? Either way I have not really seen anybody doing that.. I think most folks who "defend" him simply point out the ridiculous standard to which he and no other QB is held. He's completing almost 70% of his passes for a top 8 yards per attempt yet there are still idiots spewing the "he's not accurate" and "he just throws checkdowns" nonsense. I don't understand the need for these people to constantly spew negative crap.. mostly UNTRUE negative crap about the QB of what they claim to be their favorite team.

Of course he's got to play well in the playoffs .. I part with those who say he has to win no matter what because we both know that's not true. If he passes for 180 yards 1 TD and 2 picks but the Cowboys win anyway nobody in the country will be lauding him for "finding a way to win" or "coming through in the clutch" Certainly none of the idiots on this site will. I just need him to play like he did against Philly. Sans the early pick 6 of course. Give me a performance like that and while I will still be depressed for a week if we lose, I will not blame him for it. I will blame the defense for giving up 40 points or getting trampled for 250 yards on the ground. I am not one of those who holds Dak responsible for what other parts of the team do. If the defense craps the bed in the playoffs and the line decides to become a turnstile I'm not going to come on here and spout how much we need to move on from Dak Prescott.. but I guarantee you there will be plenty who do exactly that. He could put up 36 points and 400 yards passing with no turnovers but if the Cowboys lose it will be because he didn't do enough. Like I said.. you can't fix stupid.
 

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Diehardblues said:
I’ve been going to bat for him in recent years against the Dak Haks but in another thread been arguing with a fan I actually agree on many issues but he believes Prescott has become Elite and in Top 5 of QB’s in the league.

He even asked me what 5 QB’s are better. Which was an easy response. Prescott is arguably by most sound analysts and critics closer to a Top 10 QB, not Top 5. Which being in the next best group isn’t a bad place to be .

The argument stemmed from a basis narrative of his that Elite QB’s were a necessity to being a consistent contender in Cap era. Which is another argument within itself . There are exceptions to that rule as well. But the argument initiated with criticism of franchises with less playoff success this era. We actually agree to a point on that basis.

And then he said Dak has become Elite. Even saying that he had bashed him earlier in his career. Are there other fans who also believe he has become Elite? I thought besides the extremes on both sides of the Haks and Homers that most felt he was closer to Top 10 to above average . Enough to build around and hopefully have more success.

Like most franchises except for a handful who have an Elite QB, you have to build around average to above average QB’s. No shame in that . Anyway, curious where the vibe is at this time . Not interested in hearing from the extremes. Thanks
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He is a mediocre QB. Nothing more and nothing less. There is a reason he was a 4th round draft pick.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
True, I think some throw out Elite not just Dak, Hebert for the chargers people will say he is elite? I don't see it, he has pretty much done nothing. Stafford in my view is no where close to elite. Brady, Rodgers and Mahomes yes I would say elite. I would be hard pressed to say Allen is elite.
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Are you serious? Your opinion should no longer be taken seriously.
 
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CowboyRoy said:
Yah, I dont agree with that one about the QB. It just looks that way because of last drives to win some games. Defense is every big as important as offense, even more in some cases. A guy like Mahomes does make a huge huge difference. Same with Allen. These guys are just soo good that it is hard to stop them. But they do get stopped. Like Mahomes scoring 9 points and no TDs last time he was in the SB. For the simple fact that his line couldnt block.
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i completely agree defense it just as important and that’s it’s a team game.
 
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RonnieT24 said:
Amen.. I was literally a Cowboys fan for 50 years before they drafted Dak. This absurd notion that people who have loved this team that long suddenly now favor one player over their childhood favorite team is trolling at its lowest. No Cowboys fan is happy to see the Cowboys lose just because one player had a great game in a loss. Yes we can be proud of how a guy or the team battles in a losing effort.. but being happy after the Cowboys lose? I'm afraid I have yet to experience this phenomenon.
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Well said. I been a Dallas fan since around 1973-74. I don't troll lol. I leave that idiocy to others with more free time to spare than I.
 
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Lol, what about the ignorant that claimed they were a bad team and would only win 8 games this season?
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I would LOVE to be able to make that list...along with the ones that said "tank the season NOW" after the first game.

Not one peep from any of them.
 
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SteveTheCowboy said:
I would LOVE to be able to make that list...along with the ones that said "tank the season NOW" after the first game.

Not one peep from any of them.
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Oh they're still here but to a man all of them will claim they never said any such thing.. and because this site doesn't support searching it's not worth the trouble of scrolling through a million posts just to prove they're lying.
 
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RonnieT24 said:
Did you mean Mount Rushmore? Either way I have not really seen anybody doing that.. I think most folks who "defend" him simply point out the ridiculous standard to which he and no other QB is held. He's completing almost 70% of his passes for a top 8 yards per attempt yet there are still idiots spewing the "he's not accurate" and "he just throws checkdowns" nonsense. I don't understand the need for these people to constantly spew negative crap.. mostly UNTRUE negative crap about the QB of what they claim to be their favorite team.

Of course he's got to play well in the playoffs .. I part with those who say he has to win no matter what because we both know that's not true. If he passes for 180 yards 1 TD and 2 picks but the Cowboys win anyway nobody in the country will be lauding him for "finding a way to win" or "coming through in the clutch" Certainly none of the idiots on this site will. I just need him to play like he did against Philly. Sans the early pick 6 of course. Give me a performance like that and while I will still be depressed for a week if we lose, I will not blame him for it. I will blame the defense for giving up 40 points or getting trampled for 250 yards on the ground. I am not one of those who holds Dak responsible for what other parts of the team do. If the defense craps the bed in the playoffs and the line decides to become a turnstile I'm not going to come on here and spout how much we need to move on from Dak Prescott.. but I guarantee you there will be plenty who do exactly that. He could put up 36 points and 400 yards passing with no turnovers but if the Cowboys lose it will be because he didn't do enough. Like I said.. you can't fix stupid.
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Nah, I shoulda said order the gold jacket and a bust in Canton.
But reading what you say prompts comparisons and contrasts with Cowboys' Danny White and Dak. Firstly, both played in different NFL eras-but the metrics are similar. Although Danny led the Cowboys to 3 NFCCGs, he was unappreciated as a quarterback by a whole lot of folks. I recall that some fans (and pundits) even thought more of him as a punter than an NFL quarterback. As the teams were leaving that soggy field at Candlestick Park, after the crushing loss to the 49ers in the 1982 championship game, the camera showed him, dispirited, walk to the dressing room. Ive never felt so sorry for a player in my life.

Not prophetic or anything, but Dak might have some of the same hills to climb. And I realize that wont be a popular comment around here.
 
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