Do you keep Garrett

[Hostile]

Yep. It was all Dan Reeves. He didn't want the job that he accepted.

He wanted the job, but not with a work hours clause on his contract.

 

[Risen Star]

Either way, JG is not getting the Sean Payton treatment. Payton and overrated were not synonymous in the media or here at CZ except for maybe a very, very select few and even then I don't remember. Payton was a commodity as a future HC and even turned down a HC gig. No one was saying the same things about Payton that they are about JG. If anything, people blamed Parcells for any deficiencies or our vanilla D and people also knew that that we were conservative not because of Payton, but because of Parcells so the situation is completely different.

You have an admin at this site agreeing with me and telling you he read the same things I did. People were all over Payton before he left. Every criticism of Garrett now was thrown at Payton then.

Payton moved on to show just how good he was. Guess what will happen if Garrett leaves too?

 

[CATCH17]

He wanted the job, but not with a work hours clause on his contract.

Yeah he didn't want to punch a time card which is a joke to begin with.

Jerry protected his boy and we've suffered because of it.

Hopefully the team doesn't flop Sunday Night and let another year with Romo go to waste because we're having to groom a coach/coordinator.

 

[Picksix]

That's one of my biggest issues with Garrett. FIVE years and this team still can't grasp what to do on offense?

How many of those players have been with him for those 5 years? 2nd year WR, 2 rookie RB's, FA FB, FA WR, four rookie OL, FA OL, 2nd year OL, 2nd year TE (in terms of actual playing). Repeated changes at OL and at the skill positions due to injury. Before this year, he had way too many overpaid, overhyped, underachieving, and sometimes cancerous, players on offense. The only constants have been QB, one WR (who's missed a good chunk of the year), two TE's, one RB (who's missed part of the year), and two OL. Yet, we still scored 24 points a game this season.

Sure, there's been some confusion at times. With all those changing parts, it's inevitable. Look at NE's defense the last two years, with defensive guru Belichek in charge. Last in the league. I'd say there's a good bit of confusion going on there too.

 

[Frosty]

This GIANTs game is telling sign for the Jason Garrett ERA Cowboys. He has been here what 5years now, can he get this team to win a MUST win game, on the road, against a arch rival, in Prime Time on Sunday Night (in which he hasnt won a game yet) his QB is hurt and has a terrible defense...

Now is the test...Can Jason Garrett Coach these cowboys to a win, can he make the call to win the game or will he make another bone head decision that cost his team and the Cowboys a playoff birth.

Can he coach this team to play so they dont emabarrass the Franchise on a national stage...We will see,,,,,For me,,,,this game will tell us all we need to no about Jason Garrett...Can he get the job done or is he part of the choking culture that embodies this team....He has the opportunity to show us...What will he do?

 

[CATCH17]

You have an admin at this site agreeing with me and telling you he read the same things I did. People were all over Payton before he left. Every criticism of Garrett now was thrown at Payton then.

Payton moved on to show just how good he was. Guess what will happen if Garrett leaves too?

We never got to see Sean Payton implement his entire offense as a O Coordinator because of Parcells.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah he didn't want to punch a time card which is a joke to begin with.

Jerry protected his boy and we've suffered because of it.

Hopefully the team doesn't flop Sunday Night and let another year with Romo go to waste because we're having to groom a coach/coordinator.

As usual incorrect.

 

[Hostile]

We never got to see Sean Payton implement his entire offense as a O Coordinator because of Parcells.

This is partially true. It does NOT erase the fact that at the time he was here Cowboys fans were less than impressed and were citing his benching by Fassell as a reason he needed to go.

 

[Hostile]

How many of those players have been with him for those 5 years? 2nd year WR, 2 rookie RB's, FA FB, FA WR, four rookie OL, FA OL, 2nd year OL, 2nd year TE (in terms of actual playing). Repeated changes at OL and at the skill positions due to injury. Before this year, he had way too many overpaid, overhyped, underachieving, and sometimes cancerous, players on offense. The only constants have been QB, one WR (who's missed a good chunk of the year), two TE's, one RB (who's missed part of the year), and two OL. Yet, we still scored 24 points a game this season.

Sure, there's been some confusion at times. With all those changing parts, it's inevitable. Look at NE's defense the last two years, with defensive guru Belichek in charge. Last in the league. I'd say there's a good bit of confusion going on there too.

Dude, don't bring logic to the table. They will fire back about the QB as if that is all that is needed.

 

[Picksix]

We never got to see Sean Payton implement his entire offense as a O Coordinator because of Parcells.

Whether that's true or not is beside the point. It's not like everyone knew what Payton was eventually capable of, once he was on his own. Based on his tenure with the Giants and Cowboys, most were very critical of him. And he's had more to work with in NO than Garrett has.

 

[Picksix]

Dude, don't bring logic to the table. They will fire back about the QB as if that is all that is needed.

Oh well. In the words of Ron White, "You can't fix stupid."

 

[Hostile]

Whether that's true or not is beside the point. It's not like everyone knew what Payton was eventually capable of, once he was on his own. Based on his tenure with the Giants and Cowboys, most were very critical of him. And he's had more to work with in NO than Garrett has.

You own this thread. I am dead serious too.

I remember when I was bashed for wanting Brees instead of Quincy. We could have had Brees and Payton. But then Romo doesn't develop.

 

[Dodger12]

You have an admin at this site agreeing with me and telling you he read the same things I did. People were all over Payton before he left. Every criticism of Garrett now was thrown at Payton then.

Payton moved on to show just how good he was. Guess what will happen if Garrett leaves too?

Sorry RS. I don't need you or an Admin to tell me what I know is incorrect. People were not "all over Payton before he left." Payton turned down a job with the Raiders and took the NO job the following year. If I'm not mistaken, Payton was offered the Raiders job after we went 6 and 10 that year.

It may make you or Hos feel better to compare JG's situation to Payton's but they're nothing alike.

 

[CATCH17]

Sorry RS. I don't need you or an Admin to tell me what I know is incorrect. People were not "all over Payton before he left." Payton turned down a job with the Raiders and took the NO job the following year. If I'm not mistaken, Payton was offered the Raiders job after we went 6 and 10 that year.

It may make you or Hos feel better to compare JG's situation to Payton's but they're nothing alike.

They are nothing alike. JG has had freedom here since day 1.

Payton was on Bill's leash until the day he left.

 

[Hostile]

Sorry RS. I don't need you or an Admin to tell me what I know is incorrect. People were not "all over Payton before he left." Payton turned down a job with the Raiders and took the NO job the following year. If I'm not mistaken, Payton was offered the Raiders job after we went 6 and 10 that year.

It may make you or Hos feel better to compare JG's situation to Payton's but they're nothing alike.

The only guy on this forum who said we were going to regret losing Payton as a future Head Coach here that I remember was Reality the site owner.

If you can show me where anyone else was adamant about that I will eat my words.

 

[Eskimo]

They are nothing alike. JG has had freedom here since day 1.

Payton was on Bill's leash until the day he left.

Maybe so but Garrett has also put up much better numbers year after year.

When we get decent OL play we score lots of points. Look at 2007, 2008 in games when Romo was healthy and this year. We scored plenty all those years. 2009 & 10 were marred by really bad OLs. This year's OL is arguably as bad as 2009's but I think Garrett has done a better job at OC and we have been pretty good overall.

I think next year we go back to being a juggernaut offensively as the OL will be patched up partly through player development and partly through draft. We should have all the skill players returning except possibly Robinson and MartyB. I actually really hope we bring back Marty but Laurent may be a cap casualty.

 

[Dodger12]

He was okay with it. Reeves was the one who nixed the deal.

The same thing as everyone else. Dan Reeves and Jerry Jones both said it came down to a clause in the contract about work hours. Jerry insists on that clause, Dan said he would not sign it if that clause was there.

Garrett was never against Reeves here.

Hos, I have a ton of respect for you; I lurk much more than I post but I appreciate what people bring to the table even if those opinions differ than mine. You're really putting yourself in a corner with Garrett and you're going to burn yourself out defending something that gets more and more difficult to defend.

If JG wanted Reeves, he'd be here and Jerry would have made it work. You know it and I know it.

I want to focus on Newman, James, and Brooking. If your brand new DC was telling you he needed them and could work with their skill set, would you go ahead and waive them?

I constantly wonder what it will take for people to realize what a GM's function is on a football team. It is to give the HC and his staff the components they want to work with.

You're so deep in your defense of Garrett that you can't even see your own contradictions.

 

[Doomsday101]

Lets say the Boys are ahead in the 4th quarter and they blow the lead and lose and dont make the playoffs. Do you keep him around??

Yes you give the HC more than 1 full season. If your not going to do that you will end up hiring and firing coaches constantly. people need to get a grip

 

[Hostile]

Hos, I have a ton of respect for you; I lurk much more than I post but I appreciate what people bring to the table even if those opinions differ than mine. You're really putting yourself in a corner with Garrett and you're going to burn yourself out defending something that gets more and more difficult to defend.

If JG wanted Reeves, he'd be here and Jerry would have made it work. You know it and I know it.



You're so deep in your defense of Garrett that you can't even see your own contradictions.

Where do you see a contradiction? I guarantee you that Garrett had no issue with Reeves coming. Reeves would not accept a clause in a contract.

 

[Dodger12]

Where do you see a contradiction? I guarantee you that Garrett had no issue with Reeves coming. Reeves would not accept a clause in a contract.

Sorry Hos but I what I posted was pretty clear. You spelled out on more than one occasion the role Jerry plays as the GM and how decisions are made by consensus. You basically reiterated that GM role in your quote that I posted in that Jerry made those decisions because that's what the coaches thought they needed to win.

Now you're telling us that the coaches wanted something but Jerry turned them down because of a work hours stipulation even though the coaches, according to you, had no problem with Reeves?