Do you think TO will make the HOF?

[bbgun]

You know why we don't ask the same question about Marvin Harrison? Because he's not an *******.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

You know why we don't ask the same question about Marvin Harrison? Because he's not an *******.

I don't know what those stars mean however Harrison isn't a saint as he's portrayed to be.

 

[The Panch]

I don't know what those stars mean however Harrison isn't a saint as he's portrayed to be.

Nobody said he's a saint, but it's all about public perception which is why he was sort of given a pass by the media after being a SUSPECT in a shooting and most seemed to have forgotten about it cause it rarely comes up.

 

[EveryoneElse]

rofl. No he's not. If Irvin and Carter couldnt get the 1st ballot, he wont get it either.

Michael doesn't even belong in the same discussion with TO when it comes to stats, and TO's blowing by Carter as we speak statistically.

We all love Michael and know he could have put up the numbers with the best of them had we been a passing offense back in the day, but we weren't.

TO has more than doubled Michael Irvin's TD receptions, and has past cris carter by 8 and counting.

TO has 8 more TDs than Carter, while having 161 less receptions, but Owens has him in the yardage category about 60 yards.

TO will go down as the second best WR to ever play the game behind rice, unless he just goes crazy for the next 5 years, which nobody expects. I think he has another 1100 yard 10td season in him, then a few sub par campaigns, then he's done.

He should be a first ballot HOF'er, he definitely has the numbers.

 

[The Panch]

ooooooo.....no you di'int.



For the record, the only mismatch between Owens and Irvin on the stat sheet is TDs and last I checked, Emmitt didnt get the alltime rushing TD title for nothing. Not making excuses cause you're right, Irvin could've done more in a primarily passing offense, but sacrificed to win championships. And statistically, Owens gets into the endzone more often than Rice did with lesser QBs, so are you saying he's better than Rice as well?




And I hate to break it to you, but most people still view T.O. as only the second best receiver of his generation behind Moss who's right behind him in TD passes and younger.

 

[ladiewolve]

How long do you have to be retired before you can get in the HOF if your name comes up on a ballot?

 

[The Panch]

How long do you have to be retired before you can get in the HOF if your name comes up on a ballot?

5 years.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Terrell Owens is a Hall of Fame player and he was one before he even came to Dallas.

There will be some in the media that will fail to put their agendas and egos to the side and make a protest vote but eventually Terrell Owens will get into the Hall of Fame. Generally speaking, they don't compare a player to previous inductees but rather to players in the same era playing the same positon. Terrell Owens stacks up very nicely to players like Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss.

Also, it is very foolish to say that Michael Irvin doesn't belong in the discussion with Terrell Owens.

Teams focused on stopping Michael Irvin just as much as they did Terell Owens. Michael Irvin never had the wide receiver friendly league rules that Terrell Owens enjoyed. Finally, Terrell Owens never played with the all-time rushing leader and at one point, its touchdown leader as well.

 

[EveryoneElse]

ooooooo.....no you di'int.



For the record, the only mismatch between Owens and Irvin on the stat sheet is TDs and last I checked, Emmitt didnt get the alltime rushing TD title for nothing. Not making excuses cause you're right, Irvin could've done more in a primarily passing offense, but sacrificed to win championships. And statistically, Owens gets into the endzone more often than Rice did with lesser QBs, so are you saying he's better than Rice as well?




And I hate to break it to you, but most people still view T.O. as only the second best receiver of his generation behind Moss who's right behind him in TD passes and younger.

Well, since you asked about Rice, all things being equal, owens has almost 13 full years experience(2 more games and it's a full 13), so at 13 years for Rice and Owens you have this.....


Rice: Rec: 1055 yds: 16,455 tds: 155
Owens: Rec: 940 yds: 13,956 tds: 138
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Diff : 115 2,499 17




While Owens isn't as great as Rice, he is almost on par with Rice, they both sport a 14.8 career average. Also, I in no way expect Owens to catch Rice in any stat column, Rice played 22 season, Owens doesn't seem like the type of guy that would stick around to the point that RIce did, although he is a specimen compared to Rice.

 

[EveryoneElse]

Also, it is very foolish to say that Michael Irvin doesn't belong in the discussion with Terrell Owens.

Teams focused on stopping Michael Irvin just as much as they did Terell Owens. Michael Irvin never had the wide receiver friendly league rules that Terrell Owens enjoyed. Finally, Terrell Owens never played with the all-time rushing leader and at one point, its touchdown leader as well.

First of all, Statistically they don't belong in the same discussion. I pointed out that it wasn't because of ability, but the offense that Irvin played in. Same can be said of Aikman. He won't compare to Tony Romo in 5 years statistically, but thats the way the cookie crumbles, not to say that Aikman couldn't have been a TD machine with Irvin.

Irvin was a great WR, but to say that he compares to Owens on the stat sheet is crazy. TOs production is out of this world and only dwarfed by Jerry Rice.

 

[gazmc_06]

Yes, no doubt about it.

 

[gmsquid]

How is this even a question?

 

[The Panch]

^^^^
That's a horrible comparison. Michael and T.O.'s numbers are in the same class in yards and receptions. Romo is a QB of a throwing offense, so of course he's gonna have better stats that Aikman and the completion and yardage isnt even comparable as opposed to Irvin and Owens which are right there with eachother. Hell, Young put up better numbers with Rice than Montana did, so what are you trying to say? Is Witten trash cause he only has 3 TDs all season compared to his back up from last year, Anthony Fasano who has 4 despite having less than half the yards and receptions? C'mon doggy. Cut that out.

Well, since you asked about Rice, all things being equal, owens has almost 13 full years experience(2 more games and it's a full 13), so at 13 years for Rice and Owens you have this.....


Rice: Rec: 1055 yds: 16,455 tds: 155
Owens: Rec: 940 yds: 13,956 tds: 138
____________________________________
Diff : 115 2,499 17




While Owens isn't as great as Rice, he is almost on par with Rice, they both sport a 14.8 career average. Also, I in no way expect Owens to catch Rice in any stat column, Rice played 22 season, Owens doesn't seem like the type of guy that would stick around to the point that RIce did, although he is a specimen compared to Rice.

 

[jmause3]

hes in without a doubt

 

[STSINAZ]

I for one think TO Goes in but not first ballot to make a point to him. You can't crap all over the NFLAnd get away with it.

 

[EveryoneElse]

^^^^
That's a horrible comparison. Michael and T.O.'s numbers are in the same class in yards and receptions. Romo is a QB of a throwing offense, so of course he's gonna have better stats that Aikman and the completion and yardage isnt even comparable as opposed to Irvin and Owens which are right there with eachother. Hell, Young put up better numbers with Rice than Montana did, so what are you trying to say? Is Witten trash cause he only has 3 TDs all season compared to his back up from last year, Anthony Fasano who has 4 despite having less than half the yards and receptions? C'mon doggy. Cut that out.

I don't know what your beef is. I have acknowledged that Michael is a great WR, I am just saying that his stats aren't what TOs are, and he has a very valid excuse, he wasn't in a pass happy offense, I get that.

And bye the way, Michaels numbers aren't close to TOs on yards and receptions either.

Michael had 750 catches for 11,904 yards and 65 tds. Thats nearly 200 less catches, 2000 less yards and 73 less tds.

Again, I am not saying that Irvin was not as good or better than TO as far as talent goes, but the numbers don't stack up, and thats all some of these idiots that vote look at, otherwise, Michael would have been first ballot. Just like TO deserves to be. Theres no telling what mike Irvin may have done in a pass happy offense, he may have murdered Jerry Rice's numbers, but that isn't relevant in this topic, imo.

 

[Sarge]

you think Eli Manning is gonna be a hall of famer?

Ya, I scratched my head on that one as well. No way.

 

[Nav22]

You know why we don't ask the same question about Marvin Harrison? Because he's not an *******.

Bwahahaha!

Tell that to the kid he choked out at the Pro Bowl. http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Feb/17/ln/ln03p.html

Or the dude he shot.

 

[Daudr]

and what players as of today if they retired will get in?

I say Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Brett Farve, Junior Seau, Strahan from last year, Payton Manning has enough stats to make it...Ray Lewis does too, Brady only has 7 good seasons...he needs some more 3500 yard seasons to get in...they dont have to be spectacular due to his superbowl wins and last years season...just some good seasons..i would say 4 or 5 and he is in...could be in even without that...but for him to be a lock thats what he needs.

Derrick brooks....Orlando Pace, Larry Allen, Jonathan Ogden, Walter Jones, Tony Gonzalez, Champ Bailey,

Who I think will get there barring injury, Larry Fitzgerald, Tory Holt, DeMarcus Ware, Tony Romo, Ed Reed, LT, Eli, Julian Peppers, Adrian Peterson,

Brady is a first ballot HOFer - 3 Super Bowl rings gets you that.

 

[Extreme]

and what players as of today if they retired will get in?

I say Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Brett Farve, Junior Seau, Strahan from last year, Payton Manning has enough stats to make it...Ray Lewis does too, Brady only has 7 good seasons...he needs some more 3500 yard seasons to get in...they dont have to be spectacular due to his superbowl wins and last years season...just some good seasons..i would say 4 or 5 and he is in...could be in even without that...but for him to be a lock thats what he needs.

Derrick brooks....Orlando Pace, Larry Allen, Jonathan Ogden, Walter Jones, Tony Gonzalez, Champ Bailey,

Who I think will get there barring injury, Larry Fitzgerald, Tory Holt, DeMarcus Ware, Tony Romo, Ed Reed, LT, Eli, Julian Peppers, Adrian Peterson,

psssst....it's Julius.

Owens will definitely get in, but he will be screwed with the first few times around I believe. He hasn't exactly been a media darling lol.

Tony Romo and Adrian Peterson are both waaaaaaaaaay too young to know yet. If they keep up for 7+ years still playing like they are now though, they're in.