Does anyone else think different and better coaching could help Dak?

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This^^^^

We must release Elliott and draft another RB while probably franchise tagging Pollard who is great but not sure that every down back we want to invest a big long term contract in.

And TE is an issue . Not sure Dalton is the Star we need to invest in long term but no doubt our #2 receiver after Lamb. Gallup is the big question mark. A flop for his big contract signing. Hopefully that’s more about recovering from his injury . But we must also either draft another slot receiver and or pursue one in FA.

We must have talent playmakers on offense which can uplift our QB. Our QB isn’t enough to uplift average talent around him.

And G2 this isn’t directed at you but your keen insight spurred my response. Thanks
I think the staff was "hoping" Gallup would be 100%, but it's only been a year since he had surgery. Regardless, he's not a #2 at this point. I'm also not sure about Pollard unless we have a dynamic RB or two to go along with. He's proven that he's not a full timer.
No QB overcomes adversity without help, it's how the sport works.
 

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I think as Dak enters his 8th season, he just is what he is....... if given enough time, he can be really good. The problems pop up when he is pressured and looking at a zone. He is also pretty terrible thinking through clock management at the end of games. Not sure if better coaching can help. But since we are married to him, might as well give it a shot. Clearly him and Kellen can't figure out a way through the SF defense and they are the main obstacle to a super bowl. Maybe a new OC would have some different ideas about how to attack that defense?
Agreed. His confidence is damaged, and his psyche is currently shot. When he's up against a strong opposing DC, he melts under pressure. You cannot blame the Oline or receivers or even KM as he was given a good game plan and our defense certainly showed up in this game as well. The game was his to win on several occasions and he just could not make the throws. All that said. He needs a very good QB coach or OC (a QB whisperer) who can wipe his memory clean and work on his mental and physical capabilities. Tons of film work and foot work and he needs to throw tons of balls at moving targets in the offseason. If that doesn't work, he needs to pick up a fishing pole and retire.
 

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True very true, and the thing is you can not hide it, BUT if we go back through the calls and play hindsight (again its much easier after it happens of course) KM and Dak's ego's are probably one of the biggest problems we had. Not saying KM is a bad OC just saying that he may need a diferent kind of QB to have playoff success with it and thats just not an option here right now.
I have said numerous times that I don't know what to make of KM. He certainly seems to have some beliefs \ tendencies that seem outdated and \ or used at the wrong times. However, he has had highly productive offenses even with a limited QB at the helm. Lot of ex players who look at the film tend to say he does some new, creative things. So, are his "questionable" plays because he's trying to work with the players limitations or because he's just wrong in some of his beliefs?

It would not hurt my feelings to see a new coordinator ..... but no matter who the coordinator is I have zero faith that #4 can take you further than he has before. If he goes somewhere else and excels, at least you would have some confidence in him if they brought him back as HC.
 

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While Prescott is capable of playing very good games at times, even against better teams, as he got better with this past year…does anyone really think he is capable of having three of four in a row against really good teams without a clunker?

Probably not.

And that’s when teams like LA, SF and Phil realize what they have isn’t good enough, and go out and make the moves they need to get better.

How are we supposed to compete with that when Jerry and kid are blind to the fact that they aren’t qualified as NFL GMs?

They HAVE to be there to take all the credit for something they are never going to get, and the fans are the true victims….especially the ones that were around well before Jerry and his medicine show came to town.
 

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Does anyone else think. different and better coaching could help Dak
Getting rid of Zeke would help Dak. Not playing the #1 defense in the NFL with Zeke at RB would help Dak. The defense making easy picks would help Dak. Defense not caving in the 4th would help Dak.
 

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Does anyone else think. different and better coaching could help Dak
Absolutely. I've been saying this for the past 2+ years. Jerry should do whatever it takes to convince Kurt Warner to join the coaching staff...or work with Dak throughout the year...starting asap.
 

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Getting rid of Zeke would help Dak. Not playing the #1 defense in the NFL with Zeke at RB would help Dak. The defense making easy picks would help Dak. Defense not caving in the 4th would help Dak.
The defense played more than good enough to win that game...sorry Roy this is on the offense, and like it or not Dak didnt play well.
 

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A BETTER OL , a run game, and more support from the rest of the offense will for sure help Dak in playoff games..lmao.
 

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Absolutely. I've been saying this for the past 2+ years. Jerry should do whatever it takes to convince Kurt Warner to join the coaching staff...or work with Dak throughout the year...starting asap.
That could work, probably need to draft another RB, WR...you have some talent that can be used similar to what the niners do then...Lamb, Hendershot/Ferguson, 2nd WR (maybe Gallup returns to himself) Pollard, Davis/drafted RB, Turpin!!!( yeah maybe use him)...This lineup could do damage if you use them correctly in my opinion. Dak needs to work out of RPO/PA exclusivley though and not shotgun 4 read curls.
 

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The defense played more than good enough to win that game...sorry Roy this is on the offense, and like it or not Dak didnt play well.
They did for 3 quarters. Dropping two easy picks isnt good enough. Offense was the bigger issue, but the defense caved in the end.

I critique the whole team.

If you were expecting a great game from the offense against the #1 D thats on you. How did Zeke play?
 

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The defense played more than good enough to win that game...sorry Roy this is on the offense, and like it or not Dak didnt play well.
as did the rest fo the offense outside of Lamb, they were all bad,

starts up front they were terrible where's the run game, 16 runs, where was malik when Pollard went down..OL, no run game bad play call balance, dirty pocket, Schultz mistakes, Gallups route on that first INT, no support from any other player outside of Lamb. this is a common theme in all payoff losses, expect the qb to do it on his own and blame him for mistakes. sure he was bad like the rest of the offense.

OUIR OL got manhandled., again, no holes a dirty pocket, blame Dak..
 

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That could work, probably need to draft another RB, WR...you have some talent that can be used similar to what the niners do then...Lamb, Hendershot/Ferguson, 2nd WR (maybe Gallup returns to himself) Pollard, Davis/drafted RB, Turpin!!!( yeah maybe use him)...This lineup could do damage if you use them correctly in my opinion. Dak needs to work out of RPO/PA exclusivley though and not shotgun 4 read curls.
100% agreed! It's mind-boggling how we fans can see and realize such obvious moves needed to be made, but the team does not.
 

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as did the rest fo the offense outside of Lamb, they were all bad,

starts up front they were terrible where's the run game, 16 runs, where was malik when Pollard went down..OL, no run game bad play call balance, dirty pocket, Schultz mistakes, Gallups route on that first INT, no support from any other player outside of Lamb. this is a common theme in all payoff losses, expect the qb to do it on his own and blame him for mistakes. sure he was bad like the rest of the offense.

OUIR OL got manhandled., again, no holes a dirty pocket, blame Dak..
BAM!!!! POST OF THE SEASON! FACTS!

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They did for 3 quarters. Dropping two easy picks isnt good enough. Offense was the bigger issue, but the defense caved in the end.

I critique the whole team.

If you were expecting a great game from the offense against the #1 D thats on you. How did Zeke play?
Im not sure expecting the top scoring offense to produce 20 points is un imaginable... Losing Pollard hurt alot and Zeke is washed but thats not on me at all, thats on this FO for relying on it.
 

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please stop trying to find something good in Dak, ask yourself, all the bad QBs that have changed teams, have they improved? Carson Wentz has improved? The bad one will always be, Dak's thing is mental, it's incompetence, he's not committed to the team, oh he only cares that he has a full wallet,
 

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as did the rest fo the offense outside of Lamb, they were all bad,

starts up front they were terrible where's the run game, 16 runs, where was malik when Pollard went down..OL, no run game bad play call balance, dirty pocket, Schultz mistakes, Gallups route on that first INT, no support from any other player outside of Lamb. this is a common theme in all payoff losses, expect the qb to do it on his own and blame him for mistakes. sure he was bad like the rest of the offense.

OUIR OL got manhandled., again, no holes a dirty pocket, blame Dak..
Well I blame the FO mostly I have 27 years of results to know they have problems getting over the hump. I said this is on the offense, i thought that meant the offense was the problem...and Dak didnt play well because you know Dak didnt play well...
 

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Im not sure expecting the top scoring offense to produce 20 points is un imaginable... Losing Pollard hurt alot and Zeke is washed but thats not on me at all, thats on this FO for relying on it.
Yah, expecting 20 points with Zeke as the only back against the Niners is a tough task. Dak blew it in the first half, the defense and Zeke blew it in the 2nd half.
 

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please stop trying to find something good in Dak, ask yourself, all the bad QBs that have changed teams, have they improved? Carson Wentz has improved? The bad one will always be, Dak's thing is mental, it's incompetence, he's not committed to the team, oh he only cares that he has a full wallet,
Dak is who he is, the rest of this stuff is just you making things up... Dak played a bad game, you trying to make it personal is just dumb. If you know this man personally and can prove he "Only cares about his wallet" then post up or just stop. He cared about the team in Tampa, so only in SF did he start caring about his wallet? how dumb
 
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