Does anyone else think different and better coaching could help Dak?

[Tommy]

In other words, would he be a better player or better production under Shanahan or Andy Reid........

He would be another Donovan McNabb. Not a Patrick Mahommes.

 

[glimmerman]

A different scheme would help. Moore don’t scheme players open every game and Dak can stare down receivers. But when 3/4 of your pass game is come back routes it’s a killer.

 

[Vtwin]

Many legit dog trainers, with skins on the wall and very good reputations, will balk at trying to "fix" a problem dog which has reached the age of two. It may not be impossible, but by that age the window for conditioning is almost closed and what would have been easy a year prior is now much more difficult. The trainer may get results in the week or two they have the dog, but as soon as that dog goes back to the situation it is conditioned to, those conditioned behaviors will very likely arise again.

In other words, by that age the dog is who it is as far as emotional state and attitude goes.

 

[32BellyOption]

Our only chance is to find a coach who can manage him. And if that means getting rid of Big Mike, who I think has done a great job, and hiring Peyton then so be it. But Kellen Moore isn’t the one.

 

[Bing]

Simple answer. No...he has has 7 years to show Dallas who he is. He is the same QB today that they drafted. There is no getting better or playing different. He is who he is.

 

[kevm3]

Coaching matters. People were screaming about how the players just don't execute and coaching doesn't really matter until Dan Quinn came in and completely revamped the defense.

Kellen Moore may be smart, but he doesn't have the experience to really coach up players when it matters and he doesn't have the deep playoff experience to know what to call during crunch time. He's still learning.

What does Mike McCarthy do exactly?

It's hard to win when 2 or your three coaches have either the flaw of inexperience or apathy.

 

[GuitarBytes]

Dak is who he is, the rest of this stuff is just you making things up... Dak played a bad game, you trying to make it personal is just dumb. If you know this man personally and can prove he "Only cares about his wallet" then post up or just stop. He cared about the team in Tampa, so only in SF did he start caring about his wallet? how dumb

Played a bad game? LOL, He had the worst season of his career, and visible, which is going downhill, Dak is inconsistent, I don't know him, but when someone is committed to his team, or to the sport, he plays asking for what he's worth, not abusing an opportunity so that they pay him more without having shown anything, such is the case of Brady, he has never charged what Dak charges, but he is the best, and that's where good players are shown, without shame, he would do the same thing he is wanting to do Zeke, negotiate a salary cut and earn what it's really worth, people like you are more of an enemy of the team, since you defend an incompetent, and there is no fool who doesn't want to see reality,

 

[Hawkeye0202]

He would be another Donovan McNabb. Not a Patrick Mahommes.

Honestly .....I'll take that in a heartbeat (lol).

 

[CowboyFrog]

Played a bad game? LOL, He had the worst season of his career, and visible, which is going downhill, Dak is inconsistent, I don't know him, but when someone is committed to his team, or to the sport, he plays asking for what he's worth, not abusing an opportunity so that they pay him more without having shown anything, such is the case of Brady, he has never charged what Dak charges, but he is the best, and that's where good players are shown, without shame, he would do the same thing he is wanting to do Zeke, negotiate a salary cut and earn what it's really worth, people like you are more of an enemy of the team, since you defend an incompetent, and there is no fool who doesn't want to see reality,

Yes yes "Enemy of the team" continue your personal Dak quest, he also eats babies and such. I dont defend anyone i do call out dumb posts that claim ridiculous claims because your angry like a 5 year old with a voice. Matter of fact if you can find a post of me defending Dak's play then show it my history is open, Dak played horrible, attack his play, what wierd feeling do you get calling another man names and personal attcks on character that you've never met?

 

[MyFairLady]

A different scheme would help. Moore don’t scheme players open every game and Dak can stare down receivers. But when 3/4 of your pass game is come back routes it’s a killer.

I agree 100% that a new scheme is needed. The problem is that the scheme needs to be tailored around what Dak can do well. This is the 2016 offense. Less reading defense. Simplify things. Focus on movement and highlight his running. You say that it is a killer when every route is a comeback route but what if that is the only throw your QB is comfortable making?

 

[atlantacowboy]

Agreed. His confidence is damaged, and his psyche is currently shot. When he's up against a strong opposing DC, he melts under pressure. You cannot blame the Oline or receivers or even KM as he was given a good game plan and our defense certainly showed up in this game as well. The game was his to win on several occasions and he just could not make the throws. All that said. He needs a very good QB coach or OC (a QB whisperer) who can wipe his memory clean and work on his mental and physical capabilities. Tons of film work and foot work and he needs to throw tons of balls at moving targets in the offseason. If that doesn't work, he needs to pick up a fishing pole and retire.

I agree he had an awful game but the question is how do we live with him going forward? We have to try something different on offense b/c the current OC scheme/Qb combo can't get through the SF defense. They own us. So, the only option is changing the scheme bc we can't get rid of Dak. And even that might not make a difference but running back kellen and Dak for round 3 against SF in the playoffs next year sounds like a losing proposition.

 

[Flamma]

I agree with this BUT before we do, let's see if another OC and/or system can help. Let's not forget, he's proven he can get you a winning season AND to the early rounds of the postseason. So we are looking for a QB that can guarantee us an NFCCG or more?

Tony Dungy and Bucs had a very similar situation........he was fired, not for winning or making playoffs but for NOT advancing far enough.

I think Dak can do it, I'm just giving 2 more years. Lets see if our front office does anything to support him. They don't. It's not really going to matter what QB we trot in if they're going to take the same approach to every off season.

 

[xwalker]

Does anyone else think. different and better coaching could help Dak

Dak wins when they run the ball effectively.
- Over 100 yards and over 4.5 ypc.

If different coaches can improve the run game, then yes that would help Dak.

If different coaches could add legit big time talent at the WR, TE and RB positions then yes that would also help Dak.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I agree 100% that a new scheme is needed. The problem is that the scheme needs to be tailored around what Dak can do well. This is the 2016 offense. Less reading defense. Simplify things. Focus on movement and highlight his running. You say that it is a killer when every route is a comeback route but what if that is the only throw your QB is comfortable making?

To me you have 2 years, if KM can change then fine, but Dak has to be in an RPO/PA offense. Pistol, under center using Pollard/Davis (or drafted RB) Lamb, Turpin, get another WR capable of being a line of scrimmage threat...Make the defense defend the LOS and pass off of it. Unless Dak is willing to give some money back, this is really the only option i see to make anything happen with this defense that looks ready to win now.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I think Dak can do it, I'm just giving 2 more years. Lets see if our front office does anything to support him. They don't. It's not really going to matter what QB we trot in if they're going to take the same approach to every off season.

One of the beat writers had an interesting take......as he pointed out when Pollard went down, that left Dak with ONE playmaker in CeeDee and 49er knew it. So they did everything they could to take him away. We are not that far off......2 more wins, we are playing in the Super Bowl.

 

[khiladi]

LOL to those that think Moore is the reason they suck and hasn’t adapted. Moore effectively has gone fast in response to zone coverage and had Dak throw quicker and shorter routes, teams focused on taking away the big play. The change in offensive philosophy after Rush reduced the “thinking” for Dak and they were focused on more underneath routes. If you look at the Philly passing chart, it’s a whole bunch of quick routes, behind the LOS or over the middle. In his early years, Dak was throwing to the outside on all the man coverage.

But Dak being Dak started sucking against man coverage this year.



Here is the chart from the Vikings, again quick hitters between the hashes.



It’s obvious Moore was having Dak throw quicker routes against the zone coverage looks defenses were showing on the QB cadences.

BTW, when you also look at charts like this from 2018 as well, and Dak was avoiding the right side of the field, which matches the chart above. And this was about halfway into the season and he was wildly inaccurate on that side.

 

[CowboyFrog]

One of the beat writers had an interesting take......as he pointed out when Pollard went down, that left Dak with ONE playmaker in CeeDee and 49er knew it. So they did everything they could to take him away. We are not that far off......2 more wins, we are playing in the Super Bowl.

Thats the thinking that scares me though, last year we had all the playmakers and laid the same dud at home. This structure works in the regular season, i think we have proved it does not work when it gets down to the 6 best teams and 1 game for all the marbles.

 

[Silverz1972]

Not at this point. He is what he is. You just have to use him the right way. In the playoffs when games count, he has to run. Only way you will get enough out of him. He is a slow learner and doesn’t adapt well. Reason why he succeeds against teams he plays often and struggles with teams he doesn’t play often.

 

[Kumala808]

Kitna was the best for dak.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Not at this point. He is what he is. You just have to use him the right way. In the playoffs when games count, he has to run. Only way you will get enough out of him. He is a slow learner and doesn’t adapt well. Reason why he succeeds against teams he plays often and struggles with teams he doesn’t play often.

Not just Dak, they used Lamb some but you need to put Pollard Turpin Lamb and 1 more playmaker who is capable of LOS plays in and make the defense defend the LOS... then pass off of it, this plays into Dak's strengths and also this defenses strength. The next 2 years have got to be about how to help this defense win games that matter they are the strength.