Dolphins Believed To Be Closing In On Deal With DE Jason Jones

[daveferr33]

And I completely agree with you. And if we were to go that route, I would ask, would you rather have:

Tunsil and Derrick Henry in round 2?

Or

Ezekiel Elliot and Germain Ifedi in round 2?

Draft for value, not need.

That is the Key for me.

Obviously, Tunsil and Henry is the best value. Some consider Tunsil the best OT prospect in the last five years. The value is in the OT position, not the RB position. Tunil is 21 years old. When he hits his second contract, Tyron will be 30. At that time, Tyron can be moved back to RT and the 26 year old Tunsil can take over at LT. We could conceivably have the best combination of tackles in the league for the next decade. No RB, in my opinion, not even an absolute talent like Zeke, could match that value.

Look, I like Zeke. But he does not maximize the value of the fourth overall pick. Tunsil does. There is no way I pass on him if San Diego goes with Ramsey.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Here what your saying but didn't they try that last year?

Yep, but it doesn't mean you can't stop doing it.

And the guy that came back last year after missing games was actually good... not great... not very good... but good.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Yep, but it doesn't mean you can't stop doing it.

And the guy that came back last year after missing games was actually good... not great... not very good... but good.

Just being good sounds so mediocre to me anymore. It's time to be great again and waiting for guys to get off suspensions year in and year out will never get us back to be great IMO.

 

[jjktkk]

So much for Stephen Jones talking about pass rush being a top priority.

This worries people not because of the idea of Jason Jones being a good player, but because this makes Joey Bosa look like our FO's plan to maintain mediocrity.

These kinda of posts drive me batty. Me, you, every Cowboy fan, knows we need bigtime help on the Dline. But you act like this is the finished product, before the draft, before the next wave of FA signings during the Summer and training camp. Lets see how this plays out. Lets see this how this Dline looks opening day.

 

[Stash]

That is the Key for me.

Obviously, Tunsil and Henry is the best value. Some consider Tunsil the best OT prospect in the last five years. The value is in the OT position, not the RB position. Tunil is 21 years old. When he hits his second contract, Tyron will be 30. At that time, Tyron can be moved back to RT and the 26 year old Tunsil can take over at LT. We could conceivably have the best combination of tackles in the league for the next decade. No RB, in my opinion, not even an absolute talent like Zeke, could match that value.

Look, I like Zeke. But he does not maximize the value of the fourth overall pick. Tunsil does. There is no way I pass on him if San Diego goes with Ramsey.

I totally agree with you.

And one other factor.

Is $5 million a year high end or low end for an offensive tackle salary?

Is $5 million a year high end or low end for a running back's salary?

Here's a tool if folks would like to see for themselves:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/tackle/

$5 million for a running back puts him in the top 10 salaries in the league.

$5 million for a tackle puts him at 31-32 range, the middle of the 64 starting offensive tackles in the league. Exactly where Doug Free is currently paid.

So, even from a financial standpoint, Tunsil makes better sense based on return on investment. To say nothing of the obvious positional importance ranking.

 

[Stash]

Yep, but it doesn't mean you can't stop doing it.

And the guy that came back last year after missing games was actually good... not great... not very good... but good.

What guy is that?

 

[Stash]

These kinda of posts drive me batty. Me, you, every Cowboy fan, knows we need bigtime help on the Dline. But you act like this is the finished product, before the draft, before the next wave of FA signings during the Summer and training camp. Lets see how this plays out. Lets see this how this Dline looks opening day.

Know what "drives me batty"? Watching player after player from last year's defensive end group being checked off and unavailable and fail to be replaced.

And this "next wave of FA signings" consists of more dumpster diving and picking through retreads. The market doesn't get better, it gets worse.

 

[jjktkk]

Just being good sounds so mediocre to me anymore. It's time to be great again and waiting for guys to get off suspensions year in and year out will never get us back to be great IMO.

It's bizarre really, they go out of there way to pour on the hate. Prefer a running back instead when the team had a third rounder run for 1800 behind this line.

Me personally, I wouldn't hate it if Dallas drafted Bosa. But they, the Cowboys, need more of a explosive, speed type, RDE, which Bosa. isn't. Unfortunately, there isn't this type of RDE valued at pick #4.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Just being good sounds so mediocre to me anymore. It's time to be great again and waiting for guys to get off suspensions year in and year out will never get us back to be great IMO.

What are your other choices?

Cut'em?

That doesn't sound like it's a good idea.

I'm sure the Cowboys are going to draft at least 1 DE early.

Signing a mediocre Jason Jones isn't going to make the team great either.

On top of that the SB MVP sat out with a suspension.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

So much for Stephen Jones talking about pass rush being a top priority.

This worries people not because of the idea of Jason Jones being a good player, but because this makes Joey Bosa look like our FO's plan to maintain mediocrity.

Yeah anytime you have to draft what many consider the best player and defensive lineman in the draft you're definitely aiming for mediocrity.

*I don't for the record believe he's the best player in the draft but many people who get paid for their opinion do*

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I totally agree with you.

And one other factor.

Is $5 million a year high end or low end for an offensive tackle salary?

Is $5 million a year high end or low end for a running back's salary?

Here's a tool if folks would like to see for themselves:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/tackle/

$5 million for a running back puts him in the top 10 salaries in the league.

$5 million for a tackle puts him at 31-32 range, the middle of the 64 starting offensive tackles in the league. Exactly where Doug Free is currently paid.

So, even from a financial standpoint, Tunsil makes better sense based on return on investment. To say nothing of the obvious positional importance ranking.

Not just financial (yearly salary) but length of career.

Running backs simply aren't capable of carrying the ball 300 times a year for more than a few seasons. A good OT will last you 10-12-14 years.

Anyone that played fantasy football last year saw the carnage to the running back ranks of the NFL... It was devastating. And I don't expect it to get better. A guy gets up woosy and he's gone under the concussion protocol.

No, drafting a RB that early in the 1st round is goofy.

 

[jjktkk]

Know what "drives me batty"? Watching player after player from last year's defensive end group being checked off and unavailable and fail to be replaced.

And this "next wave of FA signings" consists of more dumpster diving and picking through retreads. The market doesn't get better, it gets worse.

I knew it was going to be "dumpster diving" for DEs, this offseason. I believe me and you differ on bringing Hardy back. I never wanted him. IMO, he quit at times and pouted, had fights with teammates,etc. But back to my previous post. I never was impressed with this FA crop of DEs. Long was just a name from the past. Oliver seems like a guy that got overpaid, because of one decent, contract year, season, and I figured he would be too expensive anyway. This draft seems pretty meh of DE prospects. There is no easy answer as in how the Boys will fix their pash rush. I have a gut feeling the Cowboys will get one of the top DTs in this draft to pair with Thronton, Crawford, and friends, and, somehow mix and match. They also will probably grab a mid round DE prospect as well. I know this isn't a great sounding blueprint, but I'm willing to wait and see how this Dline group looks opening day, before I criticize the FO.

 

[superonyx]

Yeah anytime you have to draft what many consider the best player and defensive lineman in the draft you're definitely aiming for mediocrity.

*I don't for the record believe he's the best player in the draft but many people who get paid for their opinion do*

Yeah... Anytime you "have" to count on a rookie to fix your pass rush problems you are aiming for mediocrity.
Anytime you have a pick in the top 5 and you need to draft a player due to his position you are aiming for mediocrity. Top 5 picks should be cornerstone franchise players not guys with question marks who just came off a 5 sack season playing against mostly guys who's football careers will end in college.

Hope isn't a plan. Unless you are planning to be mediocre.

 

[Sydla]

Don't need Jones.

We gonna take Bosa!

 

[LocimusPrime]

Know what "drives me batty"? Watching player after player from last year's defensive end group being checked off and unavailable and fail to be replaced.

And this "next wave of FA signings" consists of more dumpster diving and picking through retreads. The market doesn't get better, it gets worse.

True. The next wave of FAs are camp cut type players.

 

[Stash]

I knew it was going to be "dumpster diving" for DEs, this offseason. I believe me and you differ on bringing Hardy back. I never wanted him. IMO, he quit at times and pouted, had fights with teammates,etc.

We do, and that's cool. I can't fault anyone who doesn't want him back. I know he's a pain in the ***. I just see the same 'marriage if convenience' situation in place this year that brought the two parties together in the first place. Even more so now.

But back to my previous post. I never was impressed with this FA crop of DEs. Long was just a name from the past. Oliver seems like a guy that got overpaid, because of one decent, contract year, season, and I figured he would be too expensive anyway. This draft seems pretty meh of DE prospects. There is no easy answer as in how the Boys will fix their pash rush. I have a gut feeling the Cowboys will get one of the top DTs in this draft to pair with Thronton, Crawford, and friends, and, somehow mix and match. They also will probably grab a mid round DE prospect as well. I know this isn't a great sounding blueprint, but I'm willing to wait and see how this Dline group looks opening day, before I criticize the FO.

I agree that Vernon was MASSIVELY overpaid and I'm glad it wasn't us that did it. Jerry Reese is carelessly and recklessly spending the Giants' money in an effort to save his own hide. A recipe for disaster.

And I also agree with you regarding this year's prospects. Not an overwhelming candidate in the group and I definitely don't see a candidate worthy of the #4 overall pick.

There is no easy answer.

 

[Sydla]

I'll say it again, they messed up not trying to get Mario Williams. He's better than any option on the free agent list and the eventual camp cut list. And his contract was quite team friendly with no long term pain. Is he a 15 sack guy? Of course not. But he's probably an 8-9 sack guy and that's something this team could clearly use at this point.

 

[superonyx]

These kinda of posts drive me batty. Me, you, every Cowboy fan, knows we need bigtime help on the Dline. But you act like this is the finished product, before the draft, before the next wave of FA signings during the Summer and training camp. Lets see how this plays out. Lets see this how this Dline looks opening day.

Oh it's not a finished product. We all know that. They will add some rookies who we hope can contribute in a few years. How many rookie pass rushers ever do anything in the Pro's? I'm not sure you can name a single 1 who has put up double digit sack totals as a rookie.

Then we always have the "next wave" of free agents to hope will give us a pass rush.

My original post said to maintain mediocrity...I want to apologize for using that word. Mediocrity would indicate we were in the middle. We are looking at the potential to actually be worse on opening day than we were last year.

But hey Stephen Jones is a genius who likes to bring players in just to have lunch with them, low ball them and then watch them sign with another team.

 

[Silver N Blue]

What are your other choices?

Cut'em?

That doesn't sound like it's a good idea.

I'm sure the Cowboys are going to draft at least 1 DE early.

Signing a mediocre Jason Jones isn't going to make the team great either.

On top of that the SB MVP sat out with a suspension.

No can't cut talent and I agree about jones but let's not compare Miller to dlew or Gregory at this point.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Yeah... Anytime you "have" to count on a rookie to fix your pass rush problems you are aiming for mediocrity.
Anytime you have a pick in the top 5 and you need to draft a player due to his position you are aiming for mediocrity. Top 5 picks should be cornerstone franchise players not guys with question marks who just came off a 5 sack season playing against mostly guys who's football careers will end in college.

Hope isn't a plan. Unless you are planning to be mediocre.

This is a team that needs to rebuild it's talent. Nobody is saying a Bosa fixes that overnight. Stop with the strawman argument.

But complaining we are aiming for mediocrity by selecting the consensus best player in the draft is daft.

Don't be daft.