Dolphins safety receiving threats too

[ConceptCoop]

You need to catch up. He had two previous convictions on gun charges. He was backing up to his car. He was reaching in. She made a judgment call that would have been unnecessary if he just cooperated. And he was on PCP.

Indefensible.

Cops shouldn't be granted extra rights. If I made that judgement call, I'd be in prison, and I don't have training and an assigned weapon. His hands were up and he wasn't posing an immediate threat to anyone. It was clearly against protocol and common sense and resulted in a death.

 

[ConceptCoop]

No, they're not. They're the most racist organization in America today.

You should do some research. Do you really think the most racist organization in America today would consist of people of all races? Do you know what their mission statement is? Or do you just assume that because they are advocates for black issues that they are racist?

 

[dagreat1_87]

You need to catch up. He had two previous convictions on gun charges. He was backing up to his car. He was reaching in. She made a judgment call that would have been unnecessary if he just cooperated. And he was on PCP.

Indefensible.

sure guy. whatever you say. bullet reached him before the taser did. Just amazing at your thought process on this. i'm going to just drop it. we'll never agree because you'll never be able to understand my point of view, most likely because of your race and background. you have a great day.

 

[erod]

Cops shouldn't be granted extra rights. If I made that judgement call, I'd be in prison, and I don't have training and an assigned weapon. His hands were up and he wasn't posing an immediate threat to anyone. It was clearly against protocol and common sense and resulted in a death.

Not doing this. I suspect you don't have much life experience yet. You will, and your opinions will change dramatically.

The national perspective of that incident has already changed. His family said he was reading a book waiting on his kid. Lie. They said he didn't have a gun. Lie. There was PCP in the car, and he was acting strangely, almost disconnected. He started back toward the car WHICH HAD A GUN IN IT.

He asked for this in every way. It was completely avoidable if he'd have just cooperated.

 

[erod]

You should do some research. Do you really think the most racist organization in America today would consist of people of all races? Do you know what their mission statement is? Or do you just assume that because they are advocates for black issues that they are racist?

Open....your....eyes.

They're intimidating people and causing disturbances at campuses and private businesses across the country. They're defending these bait-and-switch shootings against police. They claim that "All Lives Matter" is a racist statement. They're infiltrating political events and starting fist fights.

Dr. King would be mortified.

 

[LandryFan]

I like this post, though I disagree with a portion of it. Let's assume that we all agree that they're misguided, for the sake of conversation. Can't we at least judge them based on their intentions? They're standing up for something they believe in and not hurting anyone in the process. As they've said, their intention wasn't to insult service men and women throughout American history. Why does someone's value or interpretation of a symbol offend you personally?

To you, it may be just a "symbol", but to me, it's much more. I served 26 years defending their rights and defending the flag and country that they are, IMO, disrespecting. I was friends with several who did the same, but did not live to see this day. I feel strongly enough about the situation that I could probably write a book on why I feel the way I do, but, but I doubt my emotions would let me. Now if they want to march down the main street of cities in which these sad events have occurred, then I'll proudly support them. But sitting on their ***** is misdirected, offending, and accomplishes little, IMO.
I'll wrap up by answering your question this way: You want to know why I get offended at someone else's value or interpretation of a symbol? Suppose I encountered two black people on the street and one of them somehow pissed me off and I retaliated by calling him the "N" word. I then turned to the other and said I meant no offense to you, it was him I was pissed at. Should the second guy then not be offended?

 

[ConceptCoop]

They're intimidating people and causing disturbances at campuses and private businesses across the country...They're infiltrating political events...

"Dr. King would be mortified."

Have you read much about Dr. King? He did the same thing. Only we don't call it disturbance and infiltration anymore, because in hindsight, it was the right thing to do. But at the time, he was thrown in jail and labelled racist.

They're defending these bait-and-switch shootings against police. They claim that "All Lives Matter" is a racist statement. They're infiltrating political events and starting fist fights.

Please show me where they defended the shootings of police officers. And the itself group is not organizing fist fights. People on both sides of the issues are letting their tempers get the best of them.

 

[dagreat1_87]

Open....your....eyes.

They're intimidating people and causing disturbances at campuses and private businesses across the country. They're defending these bait-and-switch shootings against police. They claim that "All Lives Matter" is a racist statement. They're infiltrating political events and starting fist fights.

Dr. King would be mortified.

ugh, just couldnt help yourself huh? dont pretend to know the teachings of Dr. King.

 

[erod]

I like this post, though I disagree with a portion of it. Let's assume that we all agree that they're misguided, for the sake of conversation. Can't we at least judge them based on their intentions? They're standing up for something they believe in and not hurting anyone in the process. As they've said, their intention wasn't to insult service men and women throughout American history. Why does someone's value or interpretation of a symbol offend you personally?

Because you have to have the intellect and life experience to make a statement like that. Kaepernick is a bewildered man-child with the mind of an acorn.

And it is never your place to make a statement like that when you are representing a company that is paying you. Do it on a Tuesday in your own little press conference. Not in uniform while you're supposedly at work.

 

[ConceptCoop]

To you, it may be just a "symbol", but to me, it's much more. I served 26 years defending their rights and defending the flag and country that they are, IMO, disrespecting. I was friends with several who did the same, but did not live to see this day. I feel strongly enough about the situation that I could probably write a book on why I feel the way I do, but, but I doubt my emotions would let me. Now if they want to march down the main street of cities in which these sad events have occurred, then I'll proudly support them. But sitting on their ***** is misdirected, offending, and accomplishes little, IMO.
I'll wrap up by answering your question this way: You want to know why I get offended at someone else's value or interpretation of a symbol? Suppose I encountered two black people on the street and one of them somehow pissed me off and I retaliated by calling him the "N" word. I then turned to the other and said I meant no offense to you, it was him I was pissed at. Should the second guy then not be offended?

It is a symbol to you. It's an important symbol, but a symbol. Itself, is nothing more than a song. What it means to you is what is important, not the song itself. Thus, it is a symbol.

In your example, you clearly used the slur to hurt someone based on their race. That's very different than what they are doing. A better example would be: You use the word in a conversation only to reference the word, and not to insult. In that case, nobody in the crowd should be offended. Words are symbols and you clearly, in this case, didn't use it offend.

 

[erod]

ugh, just couldnt help yourself huh? dont pretend to know the teachings of Dr. King.

Dr. King is a top five American. Ever. His teachings were rooted, and the country was making tremendous strides. I know a lot about him.

Now, we're rocketing back to times long before him, and it's making me sick. Everything that man did, and died for, is being undone by supposed leaders and politicians that NEED racism to fuel their careers.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Because you have to have the intellect and life experience to make a statement like that. Kaepernick is a bewildered man-child with the mind of an acorn.

And it is never your place to make a statement like that when you are representing a company that is paying you. Do it on a Tuesday in your own little press conference. Not in uniform while you're supposedly at work.

The NFL is not paying him to stand for the pledge. That's not his job. He has no obligation to do so. Again, this isn't **** Germany. Patriotism is not mandated. The NFL can't "fire" someone for not performing a social or patriotic ritual.

 

[dagreat1_87]

Dr. King is a top five American. Ever. His teachings were rooted, and the country was making tremendous strides. I know a lot about him.

Now, we're rocketing back to times long before him, and it's making me sick. Everything that man did, and died for, is being undone by supposed leaders and politicians that NEED racism to fuel their careers.

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Sound familiar? Dr King would be mortified to see we are still dealing with this issue

 

[LandryFan]

It is a symbol to you. It's an important symbol, but a symbol. Itself, is nothing more than a song. What it means to you is what is important, not the song itself. Thus, it is a symbol.[/B]

In your example, you clearly used the slur to hurt someone based on their race. That's very different than what they are doing. A better example would be: You use the word in a conversation only to reference the word, and not to insult. In that case, nobody in the crowd should be offended. Words are symbols and you clearly, in this case, didn't use it offend.

So, you're telling me I shouldn't be offended. That's very ironic, I think.

 

[erod]

The NFL is not paying him to stand for the pledge. That's not his job. He has no obligation to do so. Again, this isn't **** Germany. Patriotism is not mandated. The NFL can't "fire" someone for not performing a social or patriotic ritual.

OK, then he can exercise his rights. And others can exercise theirs in mind and voice.

No "conversation" is being started, but the groundwork is being laid for some of the most violent times in American history. It's going to get really ugly, and it makes me sad.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Dr. King is a top five American. Ever. His teachings were rooted, and the country was making tremendous strides. I know a lot about him.

Now, we're rocketing back to times long before him, and it's making me sick. Everything that man did, and died for, is being undone by supposed leaders and politicians that NEED racism to fuel their careers.

I'm not trying to be condescending or be a jerk in anyway. Even though we disagree, I appreciate the conversation. We might not change our minds, but it's good to have our opinions questioned so that we know we believe for the right reason. So don't take this the wrong way:

The Dr. King in popular culture is a very different person than the actual man. His statements and actions were received with much more vitriol than Kaepernick's are today. He was called racist, selfish, a terrorist, and many other things. The FBI was working to discredit him, even.

I know why you would think so, but I highly doubt Dr. King would take any issue with Kaepernick's silent, peaceful protest. Kind did much more than that in his lifetime. The pop culture MLK - sure. But the actual man, I just don't see it.

 

[ConceptCoop]

So, you're telling me I shouldn't be offended. That's very ironic, I think.

Good catch. You're right. It's not my place to tell you what should offend you. I just think it's a good practice not to be offending by other people's take on a symbol. I think we're all better when we challenge that.

 

[ConceptCoop]

OK, then he can exercise his rights. And others can exercise theirs in mind and voice.

No "conversation" is being started, but the groundwork is being laid for some of the most violent times in American history. It's going to get really ugly, and it makes me sad.

If not standing for the pledge brings on some of the most violent times in American history, then America is a sad place. I think and hope you're wrong.

 

[LandryFan]

So, you're telling me I shouldn't be offended. That's very ironic, I think.

To add...the fact that they're sitting on their ***** is the equivalent of a slur, to me. You asked why I'm offended and I told you. But somehow my 63 years of life experiences and years of education have gained me nothing, not even the right to an opinion.

 

[erod]

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Sound familiar? Dr King would be mortified to see we are still dealing with this issue

These are ten-time criminals with guns and drugs. Stop identifying them with the cause of Dr. King.

The black man has more opportunity and respect in America than anywhere in the world. If you want to be patronized and looked through, go to Europe. If you want to be a complete afterthought, go to South America. If you want to be avoided altogether, try Asia.

America welcomes diversity. But the chosen "leaders" of this cause amass their wealth through the mere existence of racial tensions. Progress is not in their best interests. It's been driven into the souls of young black America through racist policy like Affirmative Action and college entry requirements. They've been schooled to be lessened by the very people that claim to want to help them.

Add the absolutely scary lack of fathers, and an out-of-control destruction of the family unit, and I don't see where the hope is.