Dolphins safety receiving threats too

[ConceptCoop]

And the internal problems within those situations are the same, black or white. No father at home, lots of kids from lots of dads, mom is overwhelmed so grandma took over. No focus on education. No parental skills or interest in such. Black or white, the formula is the same. Government can't fix that.

This is WAY out of hand. And it's not even a Romo thread.

I'm out.

Statematic failings lead to poverty, which leads to ignorance, hopelessness, and the ills that come with that.

 

[erod]

Statematic failings lead to poverty, which leads to ignorance, hopelessness, and the ills that come with that.

Cop out.

 

[dogunwo]

How much time have you spent being white? There are a LOT more poor white people in America than black people. And there are a helluva lot of successful black people, too. Tons. They are ignored entirely.

No one in here made a statement that all white people have it good. That's just your way of using an absolute statement where all it takes is one example to disprove, to deflect what was being said.

And yes, I am a very successful black man, educated, and statistically speaking, probably way above your tax bracket. I have no "rap sheet" to speak of. None of these things has prevented the many injustices I have experienced in the last 25 plus years, several involving the police. The very nature of some of the things I experienced, you nor any other white person could know what it's like. I am not running around blaming any group. But there are real problems that you don't and aren't willing to understand.

And don't be a statistical loser. There are more poor white people because there are far more white people than black.

 

[dagreat1_87]

OK, that road?

Will you take ownership of the true reasons - the real reasons - why the black community is struggling in America today? (By the way, a pretty fair percentage isn't struggling at all, in fact.)

Or is it my fault? Deflection and blame is institutionalized so deeply, it's not even realized anymore. There's no hope in that.

All of those are issues within the community but not an excuse for cops to murder us.

Speaking of deflection, you keep refusing to address Dr. Kings quote and how it relates to kaeps protest. Do you not see the parallels to then and now?

 

[StylisticS]

The black man has more opportunity and respect in America than anywhere in the world.

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. What's your experience on being a black man?

 

[Nightman]

This thread is the exact reason the whole protest is pointless.....Black people feel one way and White people feel another way.......everyone is yelling and trying to checkmate the other and not one person is listening..... An innocent black man getting killed by a cop is a horrible thing but it is about 100th on the list of horrible things in this country........ to me it doesn't rise to the level of national protests, not when 95% of young black men are killed by other young black men.....not when 1000's of innocent people of all races are murdered in this country

Most white people will give the cops the benefit of the doubt but that doesn't mean we will excuse a wrongful shooting......but a wrongful shooting doesn't always rise to the level of murder or even a crime.......the whole thing is way too complicated to reduce to a slogan or a protest against the flag..... but disrespecting the flag and the anthem and the country is going to piss people off.......if you can't deal with the backlash or the criticisms and consequences then don't partake.....but watching these protests turn into riots and into the shootings like Dallas have hardened most reasonable people to any cause or injustice

 

[erod]

No one in here made a statement that all white people have it good. That's just your way of using an absolute statement where all it takes is one example to disprove, to deflect what was being said.

And yes, I am a very successful black man, educated, and statistically speaking, probably way above your tax bracket. I have no "rap sheet" to speak of. None of these things has prevented the many injustices I have experienced in the last 25 plus years, several involving the police. The very nature of some of the things I experienced, you nor any other white person could know what it's like. I am not running around blaming any group. But there are real problems that you don't and aren't willing to understand.

And don't be a statistical loser. There are more poor white people because there are far more white people than black.

Statistically, violent crime is astronomically more prevalent in the black community. Hence, the police shooting statistics and the added anxiety experienced by the police on those calls. In fact, many of these shootings involve black police officers.

Not sure why we're discussing W-2s, but I financially retired at 42. I'm not doubting you've had some unique experiences with a cop or three, but they didn't shoot you, and I doubt you had unregistered hand guns and PCP on you at the time.

 

[haleyrules]

Listen. People, human Beings, should not be shooting each other. Simple.

 

[Nightman]

Statistically, violent crime is astronomically more prevalent in the black community. Hence, the police shooting statistics and the added anxiety experienced by the police on those calls. In fact, many of these shootings involve black police officers.

Not sure why we're discussing W-2s, but I financially retired at 42. I'm not doubting you've had some unique experiences with a cop or three, but they didn't shoot you, and I doubt you had unregistered hand guns and PCP on you at the time.

That is what drives me crazy........out of the millions of encounters between police and citizens a certain percentage is going to go wrong...... what is the end game........there are going to be police shootings of white and black people......it comes with the job.....if people want police to stop responding to high crime areas then a lot more innocent people will die by a factor of 100

If the protestors want the police to be held accountable then that is already happening....but not liking the result doesn't mean it wasn't justice.....most police shootings are justified......if they just want any cop involved in a shooting to be jailed then that is ridiculous and has nothing to do with justice......it is scapegoating one person for all the ills of the black community and won't solve anything

Most people use sports as an escape and for athletes to hijack their teams notoriety and platform for their own cause is wrong........I am so tired of hearing about the First Amendment when this has nothing to do with Free Speech......if a player wanted to use the NFL to promote a Right Wing cause or Christianity it would be shut down immediately......the NFL should have nipped this in the bud a long time ago but they are so afraid of being labeled racists that they let it fester.......it is not going to go away but police shootings will never end as long as they tasked with stopping crime and catching criminals

 

[Dave_in-NC]

To you, it may be just a "symbol", but to me, it's much more. I served 26 years defending their rights and defending the flag and country that they are, IMO, disrespecting. I was friends with several who did the same, but did not live to see this day. I feel strongly enough about the situation that I could probably write a book on why I feel the way I do, but, but I doubt my emotions would let me. Now if they want to march down the main street of cities in which these sad events have occurred, then I'll proudly support them. But sitting on their ***** is misdirected, offending, and accomplishes little, IMO.
I'll wrap up by answering your question this way: You want to know why I get offended at someone else's value or interpretation of a symbol? Suppose I encountered two black people on the street and one of them somehow pissed me off and I retaliated by calling him the "N" word. I then turned to the other and said I meant no offense to you, it was him I was pissed at. Should the second guy then not be offended?

Thank you for your service.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

If he's getting death threat he should call the cops no? And some one explain to me what Walmart had to do with the shooting in Charlotte?
So some feel some one was shot and killed unjustly, free TVs and Milk for every one.

 

[erod]

Tonight in Charlotte. Unreal.

Man shot dead t right in front of the police, but unsure who shot him. Now looting all around.

Dr. King and Rosa Parks never looted and burned down businesses, did they?

 

[Nightman]

Tonight in Charlotte. Unreal.

Man shot dead t right in front of the police, but unsure who shot him. Now looting all around.

Dr. King and Rosa Parks never looted and burned down businesses, did they?

The rioters riot without the facts........."vigilante justice" and looting is the logical reaction

 

[darthseinfeld]

We need JJ Abrams

 

[Kevinicus]

Cops shouldn't be granted extra rights. If I made that judgement call, I'd be in prison, and I don't have training and an assigned weapon. His hands were up and he wasn't posing an immediate threat to anyone. It was clearly against protocol and common sense and resulted in a death.

I have to correct this inaccuracy that seems to be spread everywhere. His hands were not up when he was shot. The fact that his hands were up earlier is irrelevant to what happened and whether or not it was justified. At the time of the apparent perceived imminent threat, his hands were down and had been down. Hindsight indicates that he was not an immediate threat as there was no gun, but officers aren't afforded the benefit of hindsight.

This officer has now been charged and a jury will determine her guilt or innocence. Just how it is supposed to work.

 

[Nightman]

And of course the white guy gets suspended without pay for a couple of questionable tweets but Kap is still out there offending half the country and gets the cover of Time magazine....Free Speech advocates aren't rushing to Cleaveger's defense

 

[ConceptCoop]

I have to correct this inaccuracy that seems to be spread everywhere. His hands were not up when he was shot. The fact that his hands were up earlier is irrelevant to what happened and whether or not it was justified. At the time of the apparent perceived imminent threat, his hands were down and had been down. Hindsight indicates that he was not an immediate threat as there was no gun, but officers aren't afforded the benefit of hindsight.

This officer has now been charged and a jury will determine her guilt or innocence. Just how it is supposed to work.

I was was mistaken, my apologies. I don't have it in me to watch it again. I'm happy he's been charged and agree that him standing trial and being judged by a jury of his peers is how it's supposed to work.

 

[Nightman]

I was was mistaken, my apologies. I don't have it in me to watch it again. I'm happy he's been charged and agree that him standing trial and being judged by a jury of his peers is how it's supposed to work.

It is a woman cop and that is how it is supposed to work IF a crime was committed......the Police in Baltimore were charged and tried based on Mob Rule, not the facts

 

[ConceptCoop]

It is a woman cop and that is how it is supposed to work IF a crime was committed......the Police in Baltimore were charged and tried based on Mob Rule, not the facts

She should absolutely be tried. Not listening to cops is not an instant death sentance without trial.

 

[Biggems]

People give death threats for absurd and stupid reasons. 99.9% of the threats come from stupidity.

A person has a right to sit or stand.....l stand, I show respect to my flag and country and for mainly my Dad who fought in Vietnam......but also other family members who fought in various wars. Also my bro in law, who is a firefighter.

I get why they sit. That is their decision and privilege.