Done with the NFLs officiating

[cml750]

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Yes it was similar which is why it's being mentioned if you can't see the similarity that's on your end. Like with Johnson Dez had control but he didn't complete the process of the catch all the way to the ground the ball came loose. The Calvin Johnson play was similar he clearly made the catch but the ball came loose when it touched the ground which under the rule made it incomplete. Sorry if I share the opinion of the experts trained to make these calls and not those of Cowboy FANS like yourself.

Johnson did not take three steps. That is the difference though the Johnson call was bad too IMHO. The rule needs to be changed so there is no doubt when a receiver makes an amazing play.

 

[Cowboys22]

He secured it. Otherwise how would he be able to lung like that towards the endzone.

Yes he secured it but that is irrelevant to the new rule enacted 4 years ago. He had to secure it throughout going to the ground which he did not. Again, the rule sucks not the ruling. It was correct according to the new rule which is universally hated by most.

 

[ConstantReboot]

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Yes it was similar which is why it's being mentioned if you can't see the similarity that's on your end. Like with Johnson Dez had control but he didn't complete the process of the catch all the way to the ground the ball came loose. The Calvin Johnson play was similar he clearly made the catch but the ball came loose when it touched the ground which under the rule made it incomplete. Sorry if I share the opinion of the experts trained to make these calls and not those of Cowboy FANS like yourself.

No its not. Calvin used the ground as leverage after the catch. Dez took 2-3 steps after he caught the ball, established control, then reached out onto the goal line and the ball hit the ground. When Dez reached out to extend the ball the proves he had full control. He didn't use the ground to as leverage to palm it. Two different scenerios.

Like I stated before, Dez would not have been able to extend the ball if he had possession. Its clear as day he had possession when you extend it out to the endzone. Thus it should be ruled a catch.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Yes he secured it but that is irrelevant to the new rule enacted 4 years ago. He had to secure it throughout going to the ground which he did not. Again, the rule sucks not the ruling. It was correct according to the new rule which is universally hated by most.

Rule states that he has to show control of the ball and take 2-3 steps which Bryant clearly established. Then when he extended it out to the endzone that should he had full control. If he didn't secure how would he be able to extend it into the endzone?

 

[KJJ]

Johnson did not take three steps. That is the difference though the Johnson call was bad too IMHO. The rule needs to be changed so there is no doubt when a receiver makes an amazing play.

I agree the rule needs to be changed to avoid controversial calls like this.

 

[KJJ]

No its not. Calvin used the ground as leverage after the catch. Dez took 2-3 steps after he caught the ball, established control, then reached out onto the goal line and the ball hit the ground. When Dez reached out to extend the ball the proves he had full control. He didn't use the ground to as leverage to palm it. Two different scenerios.

Like I stated before, Dez would not have been able to extend the ball if he had possession. Its clear as day he had possession when you extend it out to the endzone. Thus it should be ruled a catch.

Dude, the ball came loose on both plays after the ball touched the ground those are incomplete passes under the current rule. Neither receiver completed the process of the catch all the way to the ground. Let it go!

 

[Cowboys22]

Rule states that he has to show control of the ball and take 2-3 steps which Bryant clearly established. Then when he extended it out to the endzone that should he had full control. If he didn't secure how would he be able to extend it into the endzone?

You are totally ignoring that he went to the ground and the rule states he has to maintain possession. He didn't. Incomplete pass. It's really not that hard the understand. The rule stinks and should be altered but as it stands it was called correctly.

 

[ConstantReboot]

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Yes it was similar which is why it's being mentioned if you can't see the similarity that's on your end. Like with Johnson Dez had control but he didn't complete the process of the catch all the way to the ground the ball came loose which is why the call was reversed to incomplete. The Calvin Johnson play was similar he clearly made the catch but the ball came loose when it touched the ground which under the rule made it incomplete. Sorry if I share the opinion of the experts trained to make these calls and not those of Cowboy FANS like yourself.

He completed the process. He took 2-3 steps, had the ball in control and was able to move it. There were several processes going. Calvin's rule was only two. He caught it with two hands, two feet in bounds and while falling, palmed the ball into the ground.

In Dez's case he extended the ball out into the endzone after he got possession. If he didn't get control of the ball which he did, he would not have been able to extend the ball into the endzone.

People are making this out to be similar to Calvin's TD. Its not. There were several processes happening after Dez's catch - 2 to 3 steps, full control, moving the ball to extend it out. That showed full control. Calvin caught it and palmed it into the ground. Not many processes happened during his play.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Dude, the ball came loose on both plays after the ball touched the ground those are incomplete passes under the current rule. Neither receiver completed the process of the catch all the way to the ground. Let it go!

He caught it, took 2-3 steps and extended it out. Thats not incomplete.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

i have heard the explanations. Read the rule as stated. Listened to analyst after analyst and even Aaaron Rodgers himself, explaining it was the right call.

No. No it wasnt.

Nothing about the rule or call and the impact on this game and this league , was right. It was bad.

The Dallas Cowboys were the better team.

And yes, we can go back to Detroit game and every other controversial call, and debate its impact on the game.

But that no catch call against Dez and the Cowboys is as about as bad as it gets.......

Yes, we left points on the field, made mistakes, etc etc..... but there we were , with the ball at the one. This team had overcome all its mistakes and was ready to win that game, until...... The NFL Rules and Competition committee and officiating robbed that opportunity from them.

The Cowboys were the better team. That was a catch. And everyone watching knows it.

 

[Doc50]

I completely agree. It's sad. I just hate seeing Aaron Rodger's face.

It is sad. It hurts.

Dem Boyz scratched and clawed and fought this year. They never quit.

Sorry to see it end this way, but remarkable we were there with a patchwork DL and subpar safety play. And did anyone think 13 wins when Lee went down?

Great coaching effort as well.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Agreed!! They left points on the field but it was still a bad call.

I thought It was a catch but it did hit the ground and move as the rule says. But they did give us a td in a pi call on gb. dallas ended the half terrible and didnt play very well in the 2nd half. Game shouldn't have been that close they were playing them with rodgers clearly limited. No excuses

 

[KJJ]

He completed the process. He took 2-3 steps, had the ball in control and was able to move it. There were several processes going. Calvin's rule was only two. He caught it with two hands, two feet in bounds and while falling, palmed the ball into the ground.

In Dez's case he extended the ball out into the endzone after he got possession. If he didn't get control of the ball which he did, he would not have been able to extend the ball into the endzone.

People are making this out to be similar to Calvin's TD. Its not. There were several processes happening after Dez's catch - 2 to 3 steps, full control, moving the ball to extend it out. That showed full control. Calvin caught it and palmed it into the ground. Not many processes happened during his play.

The process of the catch isn't complete until after the receiver hits the ground and if the ball comes loose at any point immediately after hitting the ground the pass is deemed incomplete. I've been very thourogh on my opinion and what the rule states. This discussion is over between us and if you want to keep arguing it be my guest!

 

[kramskoi]

Just saw the Bryant play and all I can say is...????...Like Beckham Jr. tweeted...how is that not a catch? In no way is that an incomplete pass. If that is not a catch then you have to go back and rule out a ton of great catches over the entire history of the NFL. Repugnant...absolutely repugnant.

 

[DogFace]

Do you close your eyes as soon as he hits the ground? The ball clearly comes totally out of his hands as he is rolling over. Again, it's the rule that's the issue. The refs got it right. It sucks but that the way it is.

You have basic sight issues. I'm Not making fun of you I'm trying to help.

 

[Cowboys22]

You have basic sight issues. I'm Not making fun of you I'm trying to help.

No I don't. I see reality clearly and don't let being a fan of a certain team cloud it. The refs got it 100% right. It's the rule that sucks and should be changed.

 

[tyke1doe]

Yes. Bryant does control the ball for three steps before he reaches the ground. And, at the ground, he still controls the ball, hence the shift from right hand to left to stretch to the goal. If Bryant simply falls to the ground and the ball pops out, then you might argue that Bryant does not maintain control. Unlike Calvin Johnson, Bryant does not contact the ground immediately and maintains control throughout, even when the ball contacts the ground. Bryant put the ball on the ground. Bryant did not involuntarily lose control of the ball even when he was rolling in the end zone. There was no question that Bryant had control of the ball. Calvin Johnson lost control of the ball out of bounds. This was clearly the NFL making a mistake.

The rules don't support your argument. Sorry. I wish it was a catch too. But it was ruled otherwise. Those are the breaks.

 

[tyke1doe]

Ummm not really. I think there is a strong bias against the Cowboys. People love to hate them.

Yes, there is strong bias against the Cowboys. But not from the refs and not from Madison Avenue and not from the league. Fans and haters? They don't count.

Under what rules? Its not the Calvin Johnson rules. He had full control. Otherwise he would not been able to extend the ball out like that.

Yes, the Calvin Johnson rule. He doesn't maintain possession all the way through. I thought he controlled the ball, but when he goes to the ground, the ball touches the ground and comes out of his hand. Under the current rules, no catch.

 

[tyke1doe]

I'll respectfully disagree.

I don't have a problem with that.

 

[tyke1doe]

I get what you're saying here. I respect it completely.

But you can't coach a player to not try and win the game. It would be counter productive.

Dez is a beast. He'd made a play. He knew it was a catch. He knew he was going to try and score since he'd caught it.

Can't have your players thinking..."Well what if the refs mess this up on a potential replay. I'm just gonna go down here."

I understand. And I was hesitant to say anything. I'm not blaming Dez. I just think the whole "just put it over the goal" has infested the mentality of players and they attempt to stick the ball out when they shouldn't in some cases.

But it's a minor point. Dez is who he is, the same guy who made a spectacular catch that in any other era would have been a game changer.