Door not closed on Hardy

[Aven8]

It was alluded to on one of the Dallas area radio talk shows - someone on the board posted it.

Maybe that was after a close loss, etc. similar to when he knocked the clipboard out of Bisacchias hands. Can't really blame him, he's obviously a passionate player and hates to lose.

 

[Alexander]

D-Ware sure would be perfect for this team right about now...

Unfortuntately, he decided to renegotiate his contract and remain in Denver.

I am still very curious about who these other DE options are.

Must be Mincey. Cannot beat that level of awesome.

 

[DTown214]

Unfortuntately, he decided to renegotiate his contract and remain in Denver.

I am still very curious about who these other DE options are.

Must be Mincey. Cannot beat that level of awesome.

Yup haha. Our options are very thin right now. I'd be very nervous going into the season without us taking a DE in the first two rounds or if we don't resign Hardy. I think one of those two things has to happen.

 

[Idgit]

So Hardy really called JG that? Where did you here this?

Ben and Skin reportedly said it. And I find it exceedingly unlikely that they'd have the exclusive scoop on a story that big with that many observers if it really happened.

I think it reportedly was the p-word and not the b-word though.

 

[cheftjpeck]

I didn't say you were upset. I said relax.

Yes, there was a target, myself. As someone in the Bosa camp, I was joking that I could say "I told you so." Thinking that comment is directed at you is about as egotistical as it gets.

Lighten up. Have a snickers. Move on.

Unfortunately he won't lighten up ... I made the mistake a while back making a joke and was lectured over and over again by FL ... I just decided to have the snicker and move on...

 

[texbumthelife]

Unfortunately he won't lighten up ... I made the mistake a while back making a joke and was lectured over and over again by FL ... I just decided to have the snicker and move on...

You got the Snickers?! Damn bro, you won that battle!

 

[ccb04]

Would like to have Hardy's talent back...but not his troubles. He's still available for a reason, despite his pass-rushing prowess (and even in a market that has vastly over paid the likes of Vernon & Jackson).

Don't completely agree that Garrett can't handle players with issues. Within the last couple of seasons...McClain, Scandrick & Gregory, have all been suspended for drugs. They weren't 'late'...they were 'unavailable' to the team for 4 games. Yet they brought McClain back again & support the others. Dez has a unique & sometimes strong/childish/volatile personality...yet Romo, Witten, Garrett, and so on, all love him & he got a big extension. Dez, McClain, and Gregory, were also all brought in or drafted, despite knowing their past history/issues...as was Hardy. Only the PR hit for Hardy was significantly more substantial and long-lasting, and I think he proved to be a different animal so to speak.

Garrett (like any coach), wants to win & keep their job. He knows Hardy could help. I think it's more than Garrett that has reservations about Hardy returning, and I think there's more to the story. Jerry took flack for defending him and calling him a leader. There was talk of wanting to resign him longer-term from the front office. That all seemed to essentially vanish by seasons end.

If they were to resign Hardy for 1 year ala McClain...do so with behavioral clauses/incentives built in. And structure it so it allows the team to cut bait at any time with little loss (guaranteed money), for conduct detrimental to the team. Lay all of the guidelines out, and if he elects not to accept them, he simply doesn't have to sign on the dotted line. If he signs & then breaches the contract, he's gone.

 

[Aven8]

Ben and Skin reportedly said it. And I find it exceedingly unlikely that they'd have the exclusive scoop on a story that big with that many observers if it really happened.

I think it reportedly was the p-word and not the b-word though.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was there as they do usually have a lot of inside info in the postgame show.

However sticks and stones JG, sticks and stones!

 

[cowboyblue22]

if jerry signs hardy after garrett not wanting him there then he might as well fire garrett and coach the team himself.

 

[Plankton]

Maybe that was after a close loss, etc. similar to when he knocked the clipboard out of Bisacchias hands. Can't really blame him, he's obviously a passionate player and hates to lose.

If he called his head coach that word in front of the team, you most certainly can blame him. It's uncalled for, no matter what the circumstances.

 

[StarMan2112]

dangerous considering I have heard there is internal ban on Hardy by coaches.

What? Jerry undermining his coaches? Never.

 

[jnday]

I think what we have is 2 different takes on the same situation, now him coming in late may not have bother Lee, b/c they are in two different mtg. rooms. It many have bothered Mincey. But the ULTIMATE goal is to win and Mincey isn't going to help us as much as Hardy.

I have considered that too and it is a valid point.

 

[Aven8]

If he called his head coach that word in front of the team, you most certainly can blame him. It's uncalled for, no matter what the circumstances.

Why? I'm a fan and I cussed out JG about 14 times this past season!

 

[Stash]

Sean Lee said he was not any trouble at all in the locker room, but you seem to know more about Hardy than his teammates. Do you have a locker room pass or work for the team? If not you are making a ton of statements based on nothing but your opinion. I think Lee would know if Hardy was a problem.

Yeah, that's what plenty of fans are doing. They've hit a pre-conceived dislike for the guy, which is understandable, he makes himself hard to like. But then they run to every baseless rumor of bad behavior and not only treat it as fact, but often times magnify and multiply it until it reaches mythical status.

 

[Chuck 54]

I don't mind standing alone; I'd rather go into the season with Hayden playing DE than resign Hardy. I was embarrassed by his presence on the team last year, and I'd be embarrassed again. No thank you....there are plenty of poor character guys on every football team, but you don't have to go out and add them when not a single other team in the NFL shows any interest---there's a reason for that.

We are this far into Free Agency, and Hardy has not a single blip on the radar other than his agent saying teams are interested. No thank you...he made no difference to our W-L record last season, and even if I was guaranteed he'd make a difference this year, I still wouldn't want him. Draft a DE in round 1 or round 2 and move on.

 

[Stash]

No sure why you've decided Rivera is stronger willed than Jason Garrett, but since there's zero evidence to support that argument either way, I'll leave it alone.

Hardy, if you weren't paying attention, had his share of problems when he was in Carolina, too. With the exact things that appear to have gotten him out of favor in Dallas. His teammates have been very supportive of his effort on the field and on game day in both places. Jason Garrett himself has been very positive about Greg Hardy's effort in practices and in games. It's the rest of the time where he struggles.

That hallmark of great coaches is *not* the ability to handle guys who aren't great fits. Great coaches assemble great players who fit. The league is littered with great coaches who cut bait on great players when they're deemed to be more trouble than they're worth.

Greg Hardy's problem was that he didn't correct any of the things that got him into trouble in CAR. That's the reason the Cowboys don't want him back, and it's the reason why a very talented pass rusher in his prime is still sitting around his house this late into free agency.

If you're take were right, there are several great coaches in this league who'd step right up and handle this guy whose only problem is he's not a great fit and just needs a little tough love. They're not stepping up.

Coaches don't sign players by themselves. Whether they "stepped up" or not doesn't matter if the owner who signs the checks isn't on board. And no coach is going to stick his neck out for a guy with Hardys' reputation in this PC environment.

But if people want to go down the line and bring up Hardy's football issues compared to Charles Haley and Lawrence Taylor, I'd be happy to. Hardy's a choir boy compared to either of them. The difference in the equation is the head coach dealing with the players. Parcells and Johnson were as strong-willed as they come and they showed they could handle all types of players, while its obvious Garrett can't.

This is two wrongs not making a right here. Hardy is a bonehead who failed to seize and opportunity given to him to get back on the right path. And that's costing him millions and millions of dollars. And Garrett wants him gone because he's high maintenance and not his type of guy. And he's costing this team a great deal in the pass rush department along the way.

Both sides need to figure it out and realize that their best chance for success is together.

 

[Chuck 54]

Yeah, that's what plenty of fans are doing. They've hit a pre-conceived dislike for the guy, which is understandable, he makes himself hard to like. But then they run to every baseless rumor of bad behavior and not only treat it as fact, but often times magnify and multiply it until it reaches mythical status.

So...none of it is true, the partying, the missing meetings and walk-throughs, being late, the coaches wanting him gone...not true, just vicious rumor.
Sooooooo....with no other team in the NFL showing any interest, and Hardy getting zero visits, if Hardy is a talented difference maker, fairly cheap since no one else wants him, and not a problem, then why haven't the Cowboys tried to resign him for a second year instead of running to guys like Long and the nobody from Oakland?

There's a reason Vernon is the highest paid DE end in the history of the NFL while Hardy is basically out of football and off everyone's radar in a league starved for pass rushers...there's more to this story behind the scenes.

 

[Stash]

By your logic it appears no team's head coach is capable of handling Hardy given that a in his prime pass rusher with exhibited success on the field languishes in free agency.

Yeah, because coaches are the guys who sign the contracts...

 

[Stash]

So...none of it is true, the partying, the missing meetings and walk-throughs, being late, the coaches wanting him gone...not true, just vicious rumor.

The only bit of 'truth' I've seen about it has been Mike Fisher investigating things and finding two confirmed instances of tardiness. Everything I've seen from everyone else just parrots off of those reports with absolutely no clear numbers. From there, things take on a life of their own and suddenly it's happening all the time.

Sooooooo....with no other team in the NFL showing any interest, and Hardy getting zero visits, if Hardy is a talented difference maker, fairly cheap since no one else wants him, and not a problem, then why haven't the Cowboys tried to resign him for a second year instead of running to guys like Long and the nobody from Oakland?

Nobody wanted to sign him last year based off of the DV situation either. The Cowboys were his only visit and he signed there.

I'm not saying the guy isn't a goof ball and a pain in the ***, it's obvious he is. But if the only thing he's proven to have done wrong is being late for two meetings? This coach and team should be able to live with that, fine him for his infractions, and utilize his obvious skills at a huge area of need.

This team and this player need each other and both sides need to work this thing out.

 

[Stash]

It was alluded to on one of the Dallas area radio talk shows - someone on the board posted it.

A perfect example of how something with absolutely no substance behind it gets taken as fact by some people.