Dorance Armstrong

[dogunwo]

He does not know the difference in a 1 gap vs 2 gap scheme. He might not know the difference in a 3-4 vs 4-3.

You know, based on the OP's knowledge of football, its really a shame that WR Marvin Bracy is being sabotaged here in Dallas. His 40 time equates to Hall Of Fame level player.

 

[tm1119]

All opinions are not created equal and stating your opinion does not preclude you from having it examined or argued.

After touting your studying the drat, i expected some insight somewhere in this thread as you why you thought DA was a bad pick. I found nada.

I didn’t make this thread or make any comments on Armstrong in it..or even read most of it for that matter. But if you’d like my opinion I’d be happy to give it to you.

Armstrong had 1 year of production and is a mediocre athlete for a pass rusher. I don’t care about his 40 either, but when you look at the rest of his workout #’s he’s not explosive and his short area quickness is decent, but not great. Even watching the drills you can see he struggles to stay low and change direction.
He also went almost exclusively against Big 12 RT’s and I wasn’t that impressed with him in terms of pass rush skills. I thought a lot of his pressure/sacks came off of downright bad OT play or hussel plays where the QB held onto the ball too long. And that’s just ‘16, not ‘17 when he played out of position. I didn’t see a spin, swim or any real pass rush moves.

What I do like is that he has long arms that he uses pretty well and does show a little bit of bend in his hips/lower body. Other than that I think Rod is going to be starting with a blank slate that doesn’t have a particularly great NFL skill set. I’d say his best chance of success is getting up to around 270+ without losing what athleticism he does have so he has a shot to be a good base DE.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didn’t make this thread or make any comments on Armstrong in it..or even read most of it for that matter. But if you’d like my opinion I’d be happy to give it to you.

Armstrong had 1 year of production and is a mediocre athlete for a pass rusher. I don’t care about his 40 either, but when you look at the rest of his workout #’s he’s not explosive and his short area quickness is decent, but not great. Even watching the drills you can see he struggles to stay low and change direction.
He also went almost exclusively against Big 12 RT’s and I wasn’t that impressed with him in terms of pass rush skills. I thought a lot of his pressure/sacks came off of downright bad OT play or hussel plays where the QB held onto the ball too long. And that’s just ‘16, not ‘17 when he played out of position. I didn’t see a spin, swim or any real pass rush moves.

What I do like is that he has long arms that he uses pretty well and does show a little bit of bend in his hips/lower body. Other than that I think Rod is going to be starting with a blank slate that doesn’t have a particularly great NFL skill set. I’d say his best chance of success is getting up to around 270+ without losing what athleticism he does have so he has a shot to be a good base DE.

Well you should look again because he has a spin move. And he pretty much has the dip and rip down as that is what he does ad nauseum.

Conference smack does nothing for me and what I saw was him beating Ot by swatting their hands around and bending the corner.

I agree he is not the best athlete but he did have a well above average shuttle and broad. OTOH, it's the 4th round. I imagine you didn't think DLaw was a good athlete either.

 

[xwalker]

I didn’t make this thread or make any comments on Armstrong in it..or even read most of it for that matter. But if you’d like my opinion I’d be happy to give it to you.

Armstrong had 1 year of production and is a mediocre athlete for a pass rusher. I don’t care about his 40 either, but when you look at the rest of his workout #’s he’s not explosive and his short area quickness is decent, but not great. Even watching the drills you can see he struggles to stay low and change direction.
He also went almost exclusively against Big 12 RT’s and I wasn’t that impressed with him in terms of pass rush skills. I thought a lot of his pressure/sacks came off of downright bad OT play or hussel plays where the QB held onto the ball too long. And that’s just ‘16, not ‘17 when he played out of position. I didn’t see a spin, swim or any real pass rush moves.

What I do like is that he has long arms that he uses pretty well and does show a little bit of bend in his hips/lower body. Other than that I think Rod is going to be starting with a blank slate that doesn’t have a particularly great NFL skill set. I’d say his best chance of success is getting up to around 270+ without losing what athleticism he does have so he has a shot to be a good base DE.

Well you should look again because he has a spin move. And he pretty much has the dip and rip down as that is what he does ad nauseum.

Conference smack does nothing for me and what I saw was him beating Ot by swatting their hands around and bending the corner.

I agree he is not the best athlete but he did have a well above average shuttle and broad. OTOH, it's the 4th round. I imagine you didn't think DLaw was a good athlete either.

Many similaries in measurables for these two players.

Both also have the ability to play with extreme knee bend without losing speed which allows them to turn a tight radius and makes them difficult to push wide.

Derek Barnett
http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=130883&draftyear=2017&genpos=de

Armstrong
http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1008229&draftyear=2018&genpos=DE

 

[xwalker]

Many similaries in measurables for these two players.

Both also have the ability to play with extreme knee bend without losing speed which allows them to turn a tight radius and makes them difficult to push wide.

I struggle to describe that style in words but it is something many super speed rushers can't do.

Derek Barnett
http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=130883&draftyear=2017&genpos=de

Armstrong
http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1008229&draftyear=2018&genpos=DE

 

[reddyuta]

I watched some highlights of his 2016 games,hes got good moves but not sure he has the strength to bull rush OTs,i feel we could have used the pick on a safety. like White or another LB.

 

[Doomsday]

Not saying he is Bosa or even close to it, but his measurables aren't too far off.

Bosa shows a 4.86 don't mean squat.

40 Time-------Bosa 4.86 vs Armstrong 4.87
Height---------Bosa 6' 5" vs Armstrong 6' 4"
Arm Length--Bosa 33 3/8 vs Armstrong 34 3/4
20 shuffle-----Bosa 4.21 vs Armstrong 4.23
Vertical--------Bosa 32 vs Armstrong 30
Bench---------Bosa 24 reps vs Armstrong 20

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I watched some highlights of his 2016 games,hes got good moves but not sure he has the strength to bull rush OTs,i feel we could have used the pick on a safety. like White or another LB.

He undoubtedly needs to get stronger. I imagine our program is more suited to help him in that then Indiana.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Armstrong’s a 4th round pick; he’s going to have question marks.

 

[speedkilz88]

I watched some highlights of his 2016 games,hes got good moves but not sure he has the strength to bull rush OTs,i feel we could have used the pick on a safety. like White or another LB.

I think in his case he was by far their highest rated player. That is why they tried to trade up to the third at first. I'm just guessing but they either had a high 3rd or possibly even a 2nd round grade on him. I have seen some media draft guys that thought he had 2nd-3rd round grades.

 

[ThreeandOut]

I think in his case he was by far their highest rated player. That is why they tried to trade up to the third at first. I'm just guessing but they either had a high 3rd or possibly even a 2nd round grade on him. I have seen some media draft guys that thought he had 2nd-3rd round grades.

Thought I had heard it was a high 3rd.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I think in his case he was by far their highest rated player. That is why they tried to trade up to the third at first. I'm just guessing but they either had a high 3rd or possibly even a 2nd round grade on him. I have seen some media draft guys that thought he had 2nd-3rd round grades.

I personally don't buy this story from the FO.

So, they tried to trade back into the 3rd round to take Armstrong, but apparently failed to do so. So the 4th round rolls around, pick-after-pick and they just sat on their collective hands defeated?

After failing to move back into the 3rd to supposedly grab Armstrong, wouldn't they try to then move into the early portion of round 4 to ensure they secured him? Not to mention it would have been less costly to do so than trading back into the 3rd round.

I think the guy they wanted was Tarvarius Moore who got selected at #95.

 

[beware_d-ware]

I think the guy they wanted was Tarvarius Moore who got selected at #95.

Yep. He was talked up to the Cowboys for a month straight, they start calling teams like crazy once he's still on the board late in the 3rd, they stop calling teams once he gets selected. I'll bet $10 that he's the guy they wanted - and good thing they didn't get him, because IMO he's a bum.

 

[JBond]

You said it right here

THOUGH HE REGRESSED TO 1.5 sacks

That tells me everything I need to know.

Then you don't know very much about football.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Yep. He was talked up to the Cowboys for a month straight, they start calling teams like crazy once he's still on the board late in the 3rd, they stop calling teams once he gets selected. I'll bet $10 that he's the guy they wanted - and good thing they didn't get him, because IMO he's a bum.

To me it's just classic post draft "we got the guys we wanted" bluster that every team does after the fact.

 

[timb2]

1.5 sacks and we compare Armstrong to Joey Bosa???? Another wasted pick is what Armstrong will be.

 

[kskboys]

Not saying he is Bosa or even close to it, but his measurables aren't too far off.

Bosa shows a 4.86 don't mean squat.

40 Time-------Bosa 4.86 vs Armstrong 4.87
Height---------Bosa 6' 5" vs Armstrong 6' 4"
Arm Length--Bosa 33 3/8 vs Armstrong 34 3/4
20 shuffle-----Bosa 4.21 vs Armstrong 4.23
Vertical--------Bosa 32 vs Armstrong 30
Bench---------Bosa 24 reps vs Armstrong 20

Bosa's left thigh weighs the same as Dorrance.

 

[kskboys]

I didn’t make this thread or make any comments on Armstrong in it..or even read most of it for that matter. But if you’d like my opinion I’d be happy to give it to you.

Armstrong had 1 year of production and is a mediocre athlete for a pass rusher. I don’t care about his 40 either, but when you look at the rest of his workout #’s he’s not explosive and his short area quickness is decent, but not great. Even watching the drills you can see he struggles to stay low and change direction.
He also went almost exclusively against Big 12 RT’s and I wasn’t that impressed with him in terms of pass rush skills. I thought a lot of his pressure/sacks came off of downright bad OT play or hussel plays where the QB held onto the ball too long. And that’s just ‘16, not ‘17 when he played out of position. I didn’t see a spin, swim or any real pass rush moves.

What I do like is that he has long arms that he uses pretty well and does show a little bit of bend in his hips/lower body. Other than that I think Rod is going to be starting with a blank slate that doesn’t have a particularly great NFL skill set. I’d say his best chance of success is getting up to around 270+ without losing what athleticism he does have so he has a shot to be a good base DE.

Dorrance has a very slim build and is unlikely to be able to get much bigger than 240 or so. He has all the traits of a situational pass rusher, at best.

I really just don't get the infatuation w/ this guy. I don't see him making the roster.

 

[timb2]

Dorrance has a very slim build and is unlikely to be able to get much bigger than 240 or so. He has all the traits of a situational pass rusher, at best.

I really just don't get the infatuation w/ this guy. I don't see him making the roster.

Better talented players are already there on the roster. I believe this was Jerry Jones's pick because it makes no sense at all. Hopefully Jerry cannot screw up our entire draft anymore, like years past.

 

[speedkilz88]

Dorrance has a very slim build and is unlikely to be able to get much bigger than 240 or so. He has all the traits of a situational pass rusher, at best.

I really just don't get the infatuation w/ this guy. I don't see him making the roster.

He was 257 at the combine.

Combine Results
Height: 6035
Weight: 257
Bench Reps: 20 PD(25)
40 Yrd Dash: 4.87
20 Yrd Dash: 2.85 PD(2.79)
10 Yrd Dash: 1.69
Vertical Jump: 30 PD(33)
Broad Jump: 09'10"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.23
3-Cone Drill: 7.12

http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1008229&draftyear=2018&genpos=DE