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Yeah he's ok against the sideline. But you really think he would be able to play SS? Take on the OL swing outs? And yes i have watched him play. Too many questions in this player in terms of where and how he'd be played.

Oh yeah. Both of these guys are big enough to be able to play strong but they won't be crushing hitters and to be honest, you wouldn't want them to be. You would want them to be sure tacklers and Ramsey is that.
 

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Jones isn't a true FS?

He could be but we played him at both Safety and Corner so no, we do not have a true FS on the team. In order to have that, we would have to commit Jones to FS and I don't know if that's what we do. Up until very recently, I would have said no because Jones can play CB and he has those kinds of quick reactions to be special there. However, with the deal with Carr, we might actually see him moved to Safety.
 

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Who starts ar defensive end during game one? Our d-line is in shambles. JJ said yesterday that Bosa's character issue will not be an issue on drafting him. Translation: Bosa will be the pick.
Speed WRs are going to eat him up. Teams running misdirection and picks are going to have field days with him. Watch his games at FSU and you will see this when he played CB. Watch The ND and Oregon games When he played Safety, you see this. The kid can run a 40 good, but he doesnt change direction very well. He didnt have the hip movement that Scandrick has let alone a player that Richard Sherman. I wont hate this pick if its him, but noway should he be a top 5 pick as a CB. No way in hell. Beckham and Jackson IMOwould eat him up in the first 2 weeks.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/22/nfl-draft-jalen-ramsey-florida-state-scouting-report

He is the best DB, corner or safety in this draft. He may need a year to refine his play at CB, but he will be a stud.


"The best way I can describe him to those who haven’t seen him is to imagine if you could go back and draft Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor at the same time ... and combine that talent into the same guy. That’s how good he can be."

"Strengths: Plays press coverage as aggressively and perfectly as you can draw it up. He gets his hands on receivers and tight ends and can re-route them right out of the game. Gets his long arms on targets and will follow them through the route. Beats blocks like a linebacker at times—he plays as if he weighs 10 pounds more than he does. Played linebacker depth with linebacker responsibilities at times and wasn’t overwhelmed from a strength perspective.
As an outside and slot corner, keeps his backpedal low and uncorks quickly to cover. Has the hip turn and fluidity to run with slot receivers and adjust to option routes on the fly. Adept in man and zone schemes—he can tear through routes as a base man corner, but he has the patience to hang back and work with his fellow defenders on handoffs. Raw as a blitzer, but he certainly has the speed and strength to do it.

As an outside cornerback, Ramsey isn’t going to get beaten very often from a quickness perspective. Has the straight-line speed to get legitimate pressures on blitzes. Transitions extremely well from pressing at the start of a route to pattern-matching through a receiver’s quick cuts. Can match most moves receivers put on him and would be a natural in any pattern-read scheme. Sniffs out stutter-go routes as if he’s the one running them. Will use his long arms to time deflections very well. Very tough to get past once he locks inside position to the boundary. Will dominate as a tackler in off-coverage to prevent yards after catch. Force wrap tackler who thrives in the physical facet of the game. A nightmare to deal with in contested catch situations because he can leap with anyone and is very physical in short spaces.

He plays like a cornerback, thinks like a safety, hits like a linebacker. That’s why I think he’s the best player in this draft class—he plays multiple positions at a very high level, and those positions are among the most important in the game. This isn’t a safety who can play box once in a while and move to the slot against slower receivers. This isn’t an outside cornerback who can hold his own in the slot once in a while. This is a starter-quality player at three distinct defensive positions right now. Perhaps the most exciting thing about Ramsey’s potential is what he’ll look like when he has more experience at cornerback and an NFL coaching staff to take him through his paces. The comparison below may seem like a stretch to some, especially given Woodson’s interception totals at Michigan, but if that offends you, Tyrann Mathieu is a pretty good comp as well. Either way, the team that selects Jalen Ramsey gets an elite interchangeable safety, a great slot defender and a potential shutdown cornerback, all in the same guy. Wherever he’s selected, he’s going to be a bargain for that reason alone."

"Weaknesses: Competitive temperament can get the best of him at times—occasionally works too hard to wrestle in blocks and doesn’t peel off in time for tackle opportunities. Stat totals are skewed by multiple dropped interceptions throughout his career. Needs to get better with his hands and focus on maximizing interception opportunities. Can get bodied out and fooled by crossing routes when in press coverage. Not always as fast on long angle routes like slants and drags; quicker receivers have been able to run past him to make catches on late-developing plays. Needs work on some of the finer elements of the boundary cornerback position if he’s put there full-time in the NFL. He must flip his hips quicker to deal with speed up the field, catch up on crossing routes and maintain his low backpedal and quick transition on every play. Needs seasoning at cornerback, but he showed a lot in one season out there."
 

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He could be but we played him at both Safety and Corner so no, we do not have a true FS on the team. In order to have that, we would have to commit Jones to FS and I don't know if that's what we do. Up until very recently, I would have said no because Jones can play CB and he has those kinds of quick reactions to be special there. However, with the deal with Carr, we might actually see him moved to Safety.

He moved to Safety in the middle of the yr last yr. Only time he played CB after moving to S was when they didnt have the bodies. When claiborne was back Jones quickly went back to S. Late in the yr when Olotaye and Mitchell were signed right back to S. this team knows where his spot is.
 

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He moved to Safety in the middle of the yr last yr. Only time he played CB after moving to S was when they didnt have the bodies. When claiborne was back Jones quickly went back to S. Late in the yr when Olotaye and Mitchell were signed right back to S. this team knows where his spot is.

Maybe. I don't know that this is the case as we pretty much played without OScan last year. It could have been different had we had that guy but you could be correct. As I said earlier, I think he probably could be a better Safety but he has the ability to be a top 5 CB IMO. That would certainly be a good test of the discussion we had yesterday on what the NFL values more for sure.

Will be interesting.
 
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I agree but Safety is a need for this team. CB is really not IMO. We currently have a much better group of CBs then Safeties. Heck, we don't have a real FS on our Roster.

Carr and Claiborne are both on one year deals. We have no one currently on the roster capable of filling in for either of them. I personally think that by mid year, Ramsey would be our best CB. And with Carr redoing his deal, it gives Ramsey a chance to work into the rotation without being thrown in right away. He'd be in all of our nickel and dime packages to start and work in more later.
 

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No they didnt. This team played majority zone. thats why they didnt give up alot in per play yrd avg. Because they kept everything in front. If they wouldve played man they wouldve gotten killed every game with no offensive support

That's just not true. They played a lot of man last year.
 

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Carr and Claiborne are both on one year deals. We have no one currently on the roster capable of filling in for either of them. I personally think that by mid year, Ramsey would be our best CB. And with Carr redoing his deal, it gives Ramsey a chance to work into the rotation without being thrown in right away. He'd be in all of our nickel and dime packages to start and work in more later.

I personally don't think that Ramsey will ever be a better CB then Jones but I could be wrong. The other thing with a Ramsey/Jones at Safety is that you could actually get a CB who is not as talented as you might otherwise want and play with them. You don't need that Haynes/Hayes CB talent. You can get buy with guys who can do a little less. We could actually draft another CB this year, in addition to Ramsey. I would not be surprised at all.
 

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Maybe. I don't know that this is the case as we pretty much played without OScan last year. It could have been different had we had that guy but you could be correct. As I said earlier, I think he probably could be a better Safety but he has the ability to be a top 5 CB IMO. That would certainly be a good test of the discussion we had yesterday on what the NFL values more for sure.

Will be interesting.

You think Jones can be a top 5 CB but Ramsey can't? smh There is a reason why some think Ramsey is the best player in this draft. And it's not because they think he'll JUST be an elite FS. It's because he will be elite no matter if he plays corner or safety.
 

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I personally don't think that Ramsey will ever be a better CB then Jones but I could be wrong. The other thing with a Ramsey/Jones at Safety is that you could actually get a CB who is not as talented as you might otherwise want and play with them. You don't need that Haynes/Hayes CB talent. You can get buy with guys who can do a little less. We could actually draft another CB this year, in addition to Ramsey. I would not be surprised at all.

Again, the NFL still values corner over safety. The money shows that. Just look at how many CB are projected to be first round picks this year vs safeties. Yeah, in a dream world we could have two first round picks playing safety. We could also have first round picks playing everywhere.

If you don't understand the value of a shutdown corner vs an elite safety, then I don't know what to tell you.

And none of it matters with what we have up front anyway, at least until week 5, and then it's still debatable.
 

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You think Jones can be a top 5 CB but Ramsey can't? smh There is a reason why some think Ramsey is the best player in this draft. And it's not because they think he'll JUST be an elite FS. It's because he will be elite no matter if he plays corner or safety.

There is but I don't think the reason is because they think he can be a shut down CB. I think it's because they think he can be an All Pro Safety. He has no Character issues, he's a leader on the field, he has world class athletic abilities and he played in a big time program. The only thing not to like about this kid at Safety is that he dropped too many INTs. As a CB, i just don't think he has that agility to make plays on the ball in a split second, the way you need to. He has all the tools to do it but I think it comes down to how he sees stuff. I played both Safety and CB and to me, the big difference between the two is that one is all in front of you and the other is a snap shot of an image that you have to mentally process and then react to. At Safety, you can see everything happening and if you understand the game and can put things together, you can make a lot of plays even without that world class ability. That's not how it works at Corner. You play your man and when the ball is in the air, you see it and you have to be able to process that image and react. So often, the ball is in the air before you even turn around so you have to be able to process info very quickly and send that signal back out to make your body react to the play in order to defense it. This is the difference between being athletically fast and quick and being a quick twitch athlete IMO. Jones can do that but I have not seen that from Ramsey, although, if you look at his numbers he should be able to do it. He is faster and quicker then anybody else but he doesn't seem to have that on the field. Not saying he slow, that's not accurate. He is just not that quick on the trigger kind of guy. Do you know what I mean?
 

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Again, the NFL still values corner over safety. The money shows that. Just look at how many CB are projected to be first round picks this year vs safeties. Yeah, in a dream world we could have two first round picks playing safety. We could also have first round picks playing everywhere.

If you don't understand the value of a shutdown corner vs an elite safety, then I don't know what to tell you.

And none of it matters with what we have up front anyway, at least until week 5, and then it's still debatable.

Again, not every system does that and it really doesn't matter because it is dependent upon your personnel.
 

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I don't think he has those type of skills but maybe he can produce at a similar level here in Dallas.

I think Zeke is a good all around back but he is more like Ray Rice who was a really good player.

Uh, NO!
 

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There's a reason why all the junior eligible backs jumped at the chance to enter the 2016 draft - less competition to get drafted.

I respect your opinions, but I disagree with you here. Usually superstar players enter the draft when they reach their junior year. And I believe the primary motivations are:
1. Can start earning money earlier and
2. Running backs know one more year in college means one less year in the NFL, i.e., if they're going to take licks, they might as well get paid for it versus one extra year of taking licks and not getting paid in college.

I doubt very seriously EE was worried about the 2017 draft class.
 

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Again, the NFL still values corner over safety. The money shows that. Just look at how many CB are projected to be first round picks this year vs safeties. Yeah, in a dream world we could have two first round picks playing safety. We could also have first round picks playing everywhere.

If you don't understand the value of a shutdown corner vs an elite safety, then I don't know what to tell you.

And none of it matters with what we have up front anyway, at least until week 5, and then it's still debatable.

Yea, whether you look at money or average draft position, corner back > safety.
 

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I respect your opinions, but I disagree with you here. Usually superstar players enter the draft when they reach their junior year. And I believe the primary motivations are:
1. Can start earning money earlier and
2. Running backs know one more year in college means one less year in the NFL, i.e., if they're going to take licks, they might as well get paid for it versus one extra year of taking licks and not getting paid in college.

I doubt very seriously EE was worried about the 2017 draft class.

I agree with you on the last part. But I have read of players leaving early to join a weak class or, less often, to avoid a stacked one. If there was a class of RBs to avoid in the last 25 years - this is the one. Granted, Elliott is not the kind of prospect who needs to worry about the class.
 

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Again, it should be pretty easy to find, right? I mean you keep acting like it's common knowledge so where are the tweets and stories confirming it?

What bothers me isn't Marinelli thinking Elliott would be a good choice, it's the fact that you Elliott people have been trotting out exaggerations such as he's never, ever fumbled at OSU and that he's be a great bargain on a rookie contract.............. saying Marinelli, the defensive coordinator, would love Elliott at 4 might be another one of those exaggerations.

You are wrong. You can't find one post where I suppirt the Zeke pick. I have said for months that I don't see the greatness I have seen in other RBs. I have no reason to lie about anything. Are you a child? It doesn't matter what is reported. It is all BS this time of the year. Are you actually going around looking to challenge anybody that don't support your boy Ramsey? My opinion or yours is worthless in the grand scheme of things. I was only letting you know that the other poster wasn't wrong about Marinelli and you want to question my integrity. You assume too much and know very little. Grow up:
 
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