Eagles RPO game

[Zman5]

Find the rules in the thread, young man.

I did young man. It looks like Kece reengages beyond the 1 yard line. Go get some glasses.

 

[Zman5]

So how do we stop it. We’ve struggled against it against the rams in the past… also with Kyler Murray. Then there was the 49er game last year.

My guess is do more of what we did when Micah went out in coverage. Drop him back… dont dictate what your doing.

or have Micah rush but up the middle… guard center. So he can play more downhill.

problem is our run d up the middle isn’t as great so we’re susceptible to runs there. Gotta figure something out going forward.

Have Micah light up the QB few times instead of hesitating. They'll stop running it again.

 

[TheFinisher]

You added that picture after I had already started to respond but it shows all I said based on video. The LT and RT have their feet on the 6. They're good. The LG is still engaged with Parsons after contacting him within 1 yard of the LOS, not the 5. The RG is looking back because he became disengaged from his original block more than 1 yard downfield, so he has to stop. He did that and turned around to watch the pass. Kelce is still engaged in his original block and has turned Bohanan around but is clearly still engaged.

What is the problem here?

The guards clearly come off their initial blocks and climb north to engage again near the 5 yard line. Those are not initial engagements at the LOS, I don’t know how you’re not seeing that.

 

[TheFinisher]

Have Micah light up the QB few times instead of hesitating. They'll stop running it again.

That’s definitely the best way to play it. Have the edge put his facemask through the quarterback’s chest a few times and they’ll think twice about playing that game.

 

[visionary]

The guards clearly come off their initial blocks and climb north to engage again near the 5 yard line. Those are not initial engagements at the LOS, I don’t know how you’re not seeing that.

Because he’s a blind referee apologist
Has been for a long time

 

[SuperBowlz]

Clear as day the EaGirl's OL were still blocking past 1 yard of LOS(7 yard line).

The rule is put in place so tackles don't look like TEs going out for passes. It looks like all the Eagles are engaged in blocks and not running. Hypothetically if the DLine steps back 2 yards are you saying the OLine can't go block them? It seems fair and legal to me. Does #78 look like he's trying to confuse the D as being a receiver and running downfield? I'm not trying to defend the Eagles but you can't expect an unblocked G to not try and block. I don't know but it seems legit. What if our LT pancakes a DE and pushes him back more then a yard. Would they call that illegal man downfield?

 

[MarcusRock]

The guards clearly come off their initial blocks and climb north to engage again near the 5 yard line. Those are not initial engagements at the LOS, I don’t know how you’re not seeing that.

You're clearly not understanding the rule. The rules state:

• you can't move more than 1 yard downfield and block nobody
• you can't block someone more than 1 yard downfield as an initial block
• you can't block someone within 1 yard as an initial block and then disengage and make another block more than 1 yard downfield
• you can't disengage from a block more than 1 yard downfield and keep moving forward

So who cares if they aren't the initial blocks? The LG re-engaged with Parsons within 1 yard of the LOS (you haven't addressed this correction). The RG was pushed by his own RT and crashed into Kelce/Bohanan (which is not a new block if you're pushed into a guy) but he stops and turns around because the rules say he has to.

So I'm not sure what you're trying to show from a still picture that can only be determined by motion you have to see unfold (like holding or PI). Even the grainy Twitter video isn't showing what you say it shows.

 

[MarcusRock]

Because he’s a blind referee apologist
Has been for a long time

I'd chirp from the sidelines like a little b**** too if I didn't understand the rules nor could make sense of them. Heaven forbid you actually wanted to have a go at debating them. Maybe that's it. Is it like my other fanboys where I made you look like a fool in the past and now you follow me around trying to take potshots from a distance to "get even?" Lol.

 

[texbumthelife]

I hold the Cowboys 100% responsible for not being willing to push the envelope themselves. They run an archaic offense that never tries to exploit rules or other team’s weaknesses. And it’s not just Moore, this dates back to Garrett. This team will never make a deep playoff run until they modernize and choose to dictate in both sides of the ball.

 

[mrmojo]

Have Micah light up the QB few times instead of hesitating. They'll stop running it again.

That is what they would have done back in the 70s-90s........

 

[TheFinisher]

You're clearly not understanding the rule. The rules state:

• you can't move more than 1 yard downfield and block nobody
• you can't block someone more than 1 yard downfield as an initial block
• you can't block someone within 1 yard as an initial block and then disengage and make another block more than 1 yard downfield
• you can't disengage from a block more than 1 yard downfield and keep moving forward

So who cares if they aren't the initial blocks? The LG re-engaged with Parsons within 1 yard of the LOS (you haven't addressed this correction). The RG was pushed by his own RT and crashed into Kelce/Bohanan (which is not a new block if you're pushed into a guy) but he stops and turns around because the rules say he has to.

So I'm not sure what you're trying to show from a still picture that can only be determined by motion you have to see unfold (like holding or PI). Even the grainy Twitter video isn't showing what you say it shows.

(c) after losing contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he continues to move toward his opponent’s goal line.

Both Guards clearly do this. The ball is snapped at the 7 and you can clearly see the left guard climb north to meet Parsons at the 5.

I’m sure you’d also find ways to convince yourself this wasn’t ineligible man downfield either on the Brown TD. The Guard climbs north and engages Barr 2 yards past the line of scrimmage. Rewatch the game, they did this all night. Their guards climb upfield to our Linebackers on these pass plays well beyond 1 yard from the LOS. It’s bull**** and the NFL needs to tighten this up since they’re exploiting this so heavily.

 

[MarcusRock]

(c) after losing contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he continues to move toward his opponent’s goal line.

Both Guards clearly do this. The ball is snapped at the 7 and you can clearly see the left guard climb north to meet Parsons at the 5.

I’m sure you’d also find ways to convince yourself this wasn’t ineligible man downfield either on the Brown TD. The Guard climbs north and engages Barr 2 yards past the line of scrimmage. Rewatch the game, they did this all night. Their guards climb upfield to our Linebackers on these pass plays well beyond 1 yard from the LOS. It’s bull**** and the NFL needs to tighten this up since they’re exploiting this so heavily.

So in this picture where the LG is engaged with Parsons as his second engagement block, is his full body 1 yard beyond the line of scrimmage or not? Big red arrow added to help you. Did you say someone was trying to convince themselves of something? You don't say.

 

[Zman5]

The rule is put in place so tackles don't look like TEs going out for passes. It looks like all the Eagles are engaged in blocks and not running. Hypothetically if the DLine steps back 2 yards are you saying the OLine can't go block them? It seems fair and legal to me. Does #78 look like he's trying to confuse the D as being a receiver and running downfield? I'm not trying to defend the Eagles but you can't expect an unblocked G to not try and block. I don't know but it seems legit. What if our LT pancakes a DE and pushes him back more then a yard. Would they call that illegal man downfield?

Per rule, it's legal as long as you maintain your initial block. It looks to me Kelce loses his block but has his hands on the defender then reengages. That isn't maintaining his initial block.

 

[MarcusRock]

Per rule, it's legal as long as you maintain your initial block. It looks to me Kelce loses his block but has his hands on the defender then reengages. That isn't maintaining his initial block.

LOL. You don't "lose your block" if you always have your hands on a guy the entire time and are driving him forward the entire time like Kelce was doing. That's called "blocking." He even turned Bohanan around while blocking him 4 yards downfield. Who needs glasses again? Oh wait, you do have them. They're called fan glasses.

 

[FanofJerry]

What about the penalty of Fowler on the 4th and 4. They used motioning tight end that started his motion on one of the hard hut counts.

Its not in the rules I guess but how does a defender get off the line to get an edge when they see guys moving first? Watch the ball, right? Seems like the better thing to do would be to make it a rule to not have a man motion on a hard count.

Assuming this is an issue in the NFL. Im going by a youtube video that showed this.

 

[xwalker]

I’ve noticed this in previous weeks and it was happening over and over last night. Their OL will come off the ball 3-4 yards run blocking essentially signaling to the defense it’s a run play. Hurts will wait until the linebackers and safeties are forced to commit to honoring those keys, and then throw the ball down field. This is completely illegal and the eagles have been exploiting this all season in their RPO game. On the RPO the decision for the quarterback to pass downfield requires him to make that decision immediately, it is impossible for him to hold onto the ball and start rolling out because by that time the lineman are 3-4 yards downfield… as far as they’re concerned they’re just blocking this up like a run play! Hurts does this constantly and it never gets called, the referees are allowing him WAY too much extended time for the run/pass option to be available to him.

Enforce the damn rules of the game!

Wow, there was 1 OL on the 4 yard line at the point Hurts threw the ball.

 

[TWOK11]

This will stop when a team finally says screw it and tees off on Hurts at the mesh point. It’s completely legal to obliterate the QB at that point, and they’ll sacrifice a few runs to either injure him or get them to stop running it.

It’s what happened to RG3 and it quickly wore him down

 

[xwalker]

LOL. You don't "lose your block" if you always have your hands on a guy the entire time and are driving him forward the entire time like Kelce was doing. That's called "blocking." He even turned Bohanan around while blocking him 4 yards downfield. Who needs glasses again? Oh wait, you do have them. They're called fan glasses.

There is an OL 3 yards downfield that is not blocking anyone...

 

[xwalker]

This will stop when a team finally says screw it and tees off on Hurts at the mesh point. It’s completely legal to obliterate the QB at that point, and they’ll sacrifice a few runs to either injure him or get them to stop running it.

It’s what happened to RG3 and it quickly wore him down

DWare started doing that back in the day.

 

[MarcusRock]

There is an OL 3 yards downfield that is not blocking anyone...

Already covered in the rules I posted. Item 1(b). After disengaging and crashing into Kelce/Bohanan, he literally turns around to watch Hurts throw the ball because he can't block any further by rule.

RULE 8
SECTION 3 INELIGIBLE PLAYER DOWNFIELD
ARTICLE 1. LEGAL AND ILLEGAL ACTS. On a scrimmage play during which a legal forward pass is thrown, an ineligible
offensive player, including a T-formation quarterback, is not permitted to move more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage
before the pass has been thrown.

Item 1. Legally Downfield. An ineligible player is not illegally downfield if, after initiating contact with an opponent within one yard
of the line of scrimmage during his initial charge:
(a) he moves more than one yard beyond the line while legally blocking or being blocked by an opponent
(b) after breaking legal contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he remains stationary until
a forward pass is thrown
(c) after losing legal contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he is forced behind the line of
scrimmage by an opponent, at which time he is again subject to normal blocking restrictions for an ineligible offensive player.

Note: If an ineligible offensive player moves beyond the line while legally blocking or being blocked by an opponent, an
eligible offensive player may catch a pass between them and the line of scrimmage.
Item 2. Illegally Downfield. An ineligible offensive player is illegally downfield if:
(a) he moves more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage without contacting an opponent
(b) after losing contact with an opponent within one yard of the line of scrimmage, he advances more than one yard beyond the
line of scrimmage
(c) after losing contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he continues to move toward his
opponent’s goal line.
Penalty: For ineligible offensive player downfield: Loss of five yards from the previous spot.
Note: An ineligible offensive player is illegally downfield when his entire body is more than one yard beyond the line of
scrimmage.​