Twitter: Eagles Trade For Gardner-Johnson

[DanA]

I had to do about five takes on this one:

• First I thought it was Sauce Gardner's real name and was wondering how
• Then I remembered he went to the Jets and it must be a different guy
• Then I remember he was a safety/CB people liked on here in the Hill draft, some in the 2nd round I thought
• But then looked it up and he went in the 4th so maybe I'm just wrong on that one.
• His stats suggest he's a decentish starter but I figure I'd know more about him if he was good.

 

[Sydla]

They literally went out and signed guys other teams didn't want and now they are "stacked". This is not a proven way to win in this league but you guys will see lol.

Oh so you can't get better in FA? Like Hassan Reddick isn't a legit edge player?

If this is the case, then damn, we wasted $3 million on Fowler. He must suck according to you since his former team didn't want him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

that can sometimes be true, but the issues us Cowboys fan have is at least these teams are trying. It has certainly worked for the Rams who have like no draft picks until 2035 and show no real weaknesses on their team. The Iggles are great at doing this as well, but the results haven't been as measurable. I don't get the sense the Jones' use the build from within theory as they lead on, we know it's the "pad our pockets" theory that they are using....not sure I make any sense lol

WE can disagree with HOW they're doing it. I for sure am. I'm not saying what the Cowboys is doing is the correct way. What they are trying to do has also been shown you can't win that way either.

'What Rams did and what the Eagles are doing is not the same. Rams went out and got impact players like Ramsey, Leonard Floyd, Matthew Stafford, Von Miller, Odell, etc.

It just doesn't compare. Had they went out and got a Jaylen Ramsey and a Stafford I could see it. But what Eagles are doing is filling a roster with guys past their prime.

Eagles however had a very promising draft. Can't take that from them.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Oh so you can't get better in FA? Like Hassan Reddick isn't a legit edge player?

If this is the case, then damn, we wasted $3 million on Fowler. He must suck according to you since his former team didn't want him.

I don't think Fowler is a very good player ...no. I didn't think Jayron Kearse was either and he proved me wrong so then there's that.

You can get better in free agency. But what you can't do is have suspect drafting and then buy yourself out of the mess you've put yourself in.

And I like their draft but its not ready this year to make them a contender. Reddick is a good player but he represents what guys do every off-season.....Rams getting Beckham, Ramsey, Floyd, Von Miller and Stafford is how you go out and build around your draft picks.

You are not a serious contender trotting out Jalen Hurts as your QB. You just aren't.

 

[Sydla]

WE can disagree with HOW they're doing it. I for sure am. I'm not saying what the Cowboys is doing is the correct way. What they are trying to do has also been shown you can't win that way either.

'What Rams did and what the Eagles are doing is not the same. Rams went out and got impact players like Ramsey, Leonard Floyd, Matthew Stafford, Von Miller, Odell, etc.

It just doesn't compare. Had they went out and got a Jaylen Ramsey and a Stafford I could see it. But what Eagles are doing is filling a roster with guys past their prime.

Eagles however had a very promising draft. Can't take that from them.

For example, Eagles had a pass rush problem last year. They signed a 27 year old who has had 24 sacks the last two years.

Hardly a “past his prime” player.

 

[Sydla]

I don't think Fowler is a very good player ...no. I didn't think Jayron Kearse was either and he proved me wrong so then there's that.

You can get better in free agency. But what you can't do is have suspect drafting and then buy yourself out of the mess you've put yourself in.

And I like their draft but its not ready this year to make them a contender. Reddick is a good player but he represents what guys do every off-season.....Rams getting Beckham, Ramsey, Floyd, Von Miller and Stafford is how you go out and build around your draft picks.

You are not a serious contender trotting out Jalen Hurts as your QB. You just aren't.

I don’t think Philly is a serious contender for a SB either. But frankly, I am not sure we are either. So the belief that we can’t lose the division to them is bizarre.

And Reddick is way better than you seemingly give credit. He gives Philly a legit edge player.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

For example, Eagles had a pass rush problem last year. They signed a 27 year old who has had 24 sacks the last two years.

Hardly a “past his prime” player.

They did. But they also had a secondary, linebacker and quarterback problem as well. They did trade for AJ Brown which I did forget. I'm not sure how effective he will be Hurts at QB but i've always thought he was a move for the next QB they bring in not for Hurts.

They aren't doing anything new. They are doing what teams do every offseason and it rarely works. They're trying to build a team to where they can rely less and less on Hurts...i'm not sure how far you can go trying to mask and hide your starting QB.

 

[Redsfan_83]

WE can disagree with HOW they're doing it. I for sure am. I'm not saying what the Cowboys is doing is the correct way. What they are trying to do has also been shown you can't win that way either.

'What Rams did and what the Eagles are doing is not the same. Rams went out and got impact players like Ramsey, Leonard Floyd, Matthew Stafford, Von Miller, Odell, etc.

It just doesn't compare. Had they went out and got a Jaylen Ramsey and a Stafford I could see it. But what Eagles are doing is filling a roster with guys past their prime.

Eagles however had a very promising draft. Can't take that from them.

The Rams got Von when he wanted to play here, and for whatever reason didn't sign. That organization draws players to play there, same as TB does, etc. All the list of players tied to the Cowboys, and how many wind up here?

I don't disagree with you, the Iggles do this type of things annually and rarely succeed. We also went through a phase of signing high end FA players and well, that didn't work out for us either. My issue with this team is that we have had a number of holes to fill over the last number of years and we have sat on our hands waiting for roster cuts, undrafted free agents, and guys who haven't played in 2 years for various reasons. It's almost like our goal has been to sign as many of these guys in order to stock pile comp picks the following....sounds familiar doesn't it?

 

[31RoyW31]

I really think Washington is more improved than the Egirls . They already have the defense .

I’d list Wentz as 2nd best QB ahead of Hurts in NFC.

What? You really think Daniel Jones is the best QB in the NFCE?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don’t think Philly is a serious contender for a SB either. But frankly, I am not sure we are either. So the belief that we can’t lose the division to them is bizarre.

And Reddick is way better than you seemingly give credit. He gives Philly a legit edge player.

He may be because I surely don't think much of Reddick. He and Parsons had similar sack totals...but they aren't of the same caliber. That's just how i view guys like Slay, Bradberry. etc. To me these aren't game changers.

And I think that's what i'm basing my opinion on. This league is built on game changers...among other things of course.

I look at the Cowboy...I see Parson's....I see Lawrence.....I see Diggs....Eagles lacked them last year and didn't add any to this season IMO.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The Rams got Von when he wanted to play here, and for whatever reason didn't sign. That organization draws players to play there, same as TB does, etc. All the list of players tied to the Cowboys, and how many wind up here?

I don't disagree with you, the Iggles do this type of things annually and rarely succeed. We also went through a phase of signing high end FA players and well, that didn't work out for us either. My issue with this team is that we have had a number of holes to fill over the last number of years and we have sat on our hands waiting for roster cuts, undrafted free agents, and guys who haven't played in 2 years for various reasons. It's almost like our goal has been to sign as many of these guys in order to stock pile comp picks the following....sounds familiar doesn't it?

I do not defend this team and how they build it. You won't get a argument from me on how they draft but how they handle free agency is ridiculous to put it lightly.

I don't think anyone ran to play with the Rams did they? They traded for Ramsey, Stafford and Von Miller.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Saints board blowing up over this. They wanted to keep him but not at the number he wanted. He started being brash and defiant with the coaches and didn't take the field at times during practice. The Saints don't put up with that crap. It must have been really bad, since they could have just kept him and lose him after he bolted, getting a compensatory 3rd rounder. What they got back in trade was way worse.

 

[Sydla]

They did. But they also had a secondary, linebacker and quarterback problem as well. They did trade for AJ Brown which I did forget. I'm not sure how effective he will be Hurts at QB but i've always thought he was a move for the next QB they bring in not for Hurts.

They aren't doing anything new. They are doing what teams do every offseason and it rarely works. They're trying to build a team to where they can rely less and less on Hurts...i'm not sure how far you can go trying to mask and hide your starting QB.

They are building the team while also hording picks to get a QB if they need one after this year.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They are building the team while also hording picks to get a QB if they need one after this year.

Which goes back to they are trying to build a contender in a way that hasn't been proven to work.

 

[Flamma]

WE can disagree with HOW they're doing it. I for sure am. I'm not saying what the Cowboys is doing is the correct way. What they are trying to do has also been shown you can't win that way either.

'What Rams did and what the Eagles are doing is not the same. Rams went out and got impact players like Ramsey, Leonard Floyd, Matthew Stafford, Von Miller, Odell, etc.

It just doesn't compare. Had they went out and got a Jaylen Ramsey and a Stafford I could see it. But what Eagles are doing is filling a roster with guys past their prime.

Eagles however had a very promising draft. Can't take that from them.

There's no proven way to do it, or else every team would do it. It's not easy to win a SB no matter what you do. The Eagles did this crap back in 2017 and it worked. The idea is to at least put the effort into it. They had a good draft and now they're picking up players. How well those players do is up in the air. We don't know. I also wouldn't consider AJ Brown past his prime.

Today's Cowboys wouldn't have picked up Charles Haley. Wouldn't have signed T.O. or Deion. The Cowboys don't put in the effort to win it all. So it isn't going to happen. If anything can be said, it's that the Cowboys method is a proven method to stay away from Super Bowls. But stay somewhat in the mix.

 

[Redsfan_83]

I do not defend this team and how they build it. You won't get a argument from me on how they draft but how they handle free agency is ridiculous to put it lightly.

I don't think anyone ran to play with the Rams did they? They traded for Ramsey, Stafford and Von Miller.

I probably should have worded things differently. The culture of coaching and management has brought out the best in players they sign/trade for and their dedication to trade for Von, Stafford and Ramsey has shown their dedication to win. Thus, players will want to play there (sans Miller who left for the $$ and it would have been almost impossible to have 3 defensive players making over $20/year). They needed those positions filled and went out to do it in a grand scale. They may not have a draft pick for a decade but their on field success has signalled to players in the league that they mean business. This should make more sense.

 

[Jimbo123]

They did. But they also had a secondary, linebacker and quarterback problem as well. They did trade for AJ Brown which I did forget. I'm not sure how effective he will be Hurts at QB but i've always thought he was a move for the next QB they bring in not for Hurts.

They aren't doing anything new. They are doing what teams do every offseason and it rarely works. They're trying to build a team to where they can rely less and less on Hurts...i'm not sure how far you can go trying to mask and hide your starting QB.

Their linebacker group and CB group are better than the Cowboys. You just don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Zordon]

https://saintsreport.com/threads/saints-trade-cjgj-to-philly.478268/

Lol they’re sick. I don’t know how the eagles keep doing this.

 

[rambo2]

I wonder what it feels like when your team actively tries to be better via trades and free agency instead of pinning all your hopes on the draft?

It is probably frustrating for the Eagle fans because they don't have a decent qb.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Their linebacker group and CB group are better than the Cowboys. You just don't know what you're talking about.

You're high. You can argue Slay is better than Diggs. But no way in hell you're taking the rest of that secondary over ours. You just hear names like Bradberry and think they're worth a damn. I'd take Micah Parsons over there whole linebacking group and so would they.