Easy Poll- Cowher versus Parcells NOW

[wileedog]

Yes, AFTER he was already winning. I doubt that he would get that chance.

We'll never know.

But BP drafted and played a young Bledsoe. Its not entirely out of his makeup.

 

[Deacon Moss]

The fact that Cowher always has his team in the playoffs and a Super Bowl contender is good nuff for me.

Parcells 3 years 1 playoff game. That is 33%

I am pretty sure that Cowhers Steelers have a much higher percent for the playoffs then what Parcells has given the Cowboys.

Fact..Cowher is a better coach NOW then Parcells is.

Cowhers' teams are perenial chokers, when he brings home the Lombardi trophy i'll buy into the hype, until then its BP for me!!!

 

[TEK2000]

Here's an interesting history of Bill Cowher's Football career:

http://www.stillers.com/articles/1584.aspx

Coaching Pedigrees - we can learn a lot from studying dogs
Friday, Dec 02, 2005
By Guest

“Coaching Pedigrees, we can learn a lot from studying dogs” By Steel Perch

I have recently started looking into buying a new puppy, a Chocolate Labrador Retriever. After doing some research, I found that it is very important to learn about the exact pedigree of the dog since bad genetics can lead to a blind or crippled dog only a few short years later.

This got me thinking about NFL head coaches. Does where they come from make a difference in their chances to win a Super Bowl? We all know about Bill Cowher’s lineage as a direct descendant of Marty Schottenheimer, but I thought I’d expand on his pedigree a bit further and also take a look at coaches who have won Super Bowls in the past 15 years.

Looking at recent history, 15 of the last 16 years the coach who has won the Super Bowl has had experience at being a champion. They have all either:

1.) Won a Super Bowl as an assistant coach or player

2.) Coached a college national championship team or

3.) Previously coached an NFL team to a Super Bowl win.


Mike Shannahan, for example, has been a part of teams that have played in nine conference championship games and six Super Bowls. Bill Cowher has not done a single one of those things listed above.

Bill Cowher played 8 years of football from high school through college (Carlynton HS in Pittsburgh and NC State in college). He never played in or won a state/national championship during this time at either level. Thereafter, Cowher played in the NFL for 4 years… His teams combined records were sub .500 and including a 0-2 playoff record. Bill does not know what it tastes like to be a winner, or what it takes to prepare for a championship game because he’s never had the experience.

Cowher then was adopted by his step-daddy Marty Schottenheimer and anointed Special Teams coach of the Browns. He spent 4 years in Cleveland where he coached special teams and defensive backs. He then went and spent ONE YEAR as a Defensive Coordinator for an 8-9 KC Chiefs team, again under Marty. Cowher’s record while assistant coaching was about .600 in the regular season, 2 - 3 in playoffs, with the ever foreshadowing 2 AFC Championship game losses.

So let’s take a closer look at who really taught Bill Cowher how to coach, Marty Schottenheimer, since he is Bill’s Sire as the case would have it.

Marty has spent 20 years as an NFL head coach….

Overall Record: 177 - 117
Playoffs: 5 - 12

Marty also had a 6 year career as a player where he was a predictable 1-1 in playoffs with no Super Bowl wins.

Marty combined for 26 years of NFL experience and an eye popping 6-13 playoff record. In that time he has lost 2 AFC championship games and won ZERO titles, without even so much as one Super Bowl APPEARANCE. Marty has been in the league for 65% of the leagues seasons since the AFL-NFL merger and the Super Bowl was created. It’s almost statistically inconceivable for him not to have at least reached one Super Bowl by accident, yet Marty has found a way to consistently miss the big game.

Another important factor in determining success is to look at other offspring from a genetic blood line. There are three active coaches who come from Cowher’s lines, his brothers if you will. Jets coach Herman Edwards is 2 and 3 in the postseason in 5 years as a head coach. His teams have followed the same post season script as Cowher’s and Schottenheimers have. Ultra conservative predictable game plans that make playoff games almost unbearable to watch. Tony Dungy is 5-7 in the postseason in his 9 years in the league. The year after he was removed from a very talented Tampa Bay squad, they won a Super Bowl. Dungy has since moved to the Colts and kept his hands off of the Colts offense, and that may be enough to help him break through to a win a Super Bowl. Add in Lovie Smith and you get 16 total years coaching experience and ZERO Super Bowl wins, only one appearance.

Schottenheimer and his disciples have no Super Bowl wins, and just one Super Bowl appearance, among them in a combined 36 seasons including this year.

Compare that to the championship blood lines of Bill Parcells. His pedigree is very strong as he and his former assistants Bill Belichick and Tom Coughlin have a playoff record of 25 - 12, with six Super Bowls appearances in 17 postseasons. Mike Holmgren and former assistants Andy Reid, Jon Gruden, Steve Mariucci and Mike Sherman are 26 – 22 in the playoffs, with four Super Bowls in 24 postseasons. The lines of Bill Walsh are even more impressive as they include some of the guys mentioned above.

We now know Coach Cowher’s sire Marty is a dud of legendary proportions, and his siblings are duds also, but what about Cowher’s offspring? In Cowher’s 14 years he has had 6 assistants go on to head coaching gigs. 5 got NFL Head Coaching jobs and 1 went collegiate. Mike Mularkey, Dom Capers, Jim Haslett, Marvin Lewis, Dick Lebeau, and Chan Gailey are the NFL coaches… They have combined for 24 years of NFL head coaching experience with a depressing record of 157 wins and 200 losses. The playoff record of these coaches is a predictable 2 wins and 4 losses with ZERO Super Bowl appearances. The collegiate coach was RON ZOOK, the guy that Florida fans wanted to assassinate and created the ever popular fireronzook.com for. Apparently the Gators fans couldn’t bear a Cowher style team at their Alma matter. Zook is now happily running the Illinois program directly into the ground.

So if we add everything all up, Bill Cowher has been in football for 31 years from High School thru the Pros. He has won ZERO championships at any level. His mentor has 26 years in the NFL with ZERO Championships. His “brothers” have 16 years head coaching experience with ZERO SB appearances. His offspring have 24 years of NFL head coaching experience with ZERO Super Bowl appearances. When you add in Ron Zook’s time as a college head coach you come up with over 100 years of coaching lineage and zero championships. A CENTURY OF FAILURES are the true blood lines of Coach Bill Cowher. I think it’s time to take this dog out behind the shed, Old Yeller style.

~Steel Perch

 

[AdamJT13]

This is 2006. What team is in a Championship and what team is 9-7 and did not even see the playoffs.

Who cares about the past.

What team is 6-10 and finished last in its division?

 

[Jimz31]

Here's an interesting history of Bill Cowher's Football career:

http://www.stillers.com/articles/1584.aspx

Let's not forget that Cowher was one of the youngest to be a HC when he began as well.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Im gonna stick with the guy that has been to the land of Milk and Honey and have be very successful when he has gotten there.

Historically: Parcells > Cowher

On January 15, 2006 at 9:54 PM: Cowher > Parcells.

- Mike G.

 

[Wolverine]

Wolverine you just crack me up with every one of your replies making less and less sense.

Whatever. We will soon see about who makes more sense.

Cowher's Steelers division foes:
Cincinatti
Cleveland
Baltimore

Yeah well 2 teams went to the playoffs and the Ravens have won a Super Bowl. Fact is Cowher has his team in the Championship and Parcells does not. Try again.

Parcells' teams division foes:
Giants: Cowboys, Commanders, Eagles
Patriots: NY Jets, Buffalo, Miami
Cowboys: Giants, Commanders, Eagles

Since Parcells has been here the Commanders now own us and the Giants are better then us. The only thing that slowed down the Eagles was losing McNabb for the year.

Thnx for helpin me out with this stuff.


Now Cowher...9 playoff seasons in 13 seasons. That means that with a team coached by Cowher you have a 69% chance of gettin to the playoffs.


Parcells with the Cowboys. 1 playoff game in 3 years. 33%.


Cowher 8 division Championships with the Steelers
Parcells 0 division Championships with the Cowboys.


Cowher 5 Championship games with the Steelers.
Parcells 0 Championship games with the Cowboys.



Sorry if I wanna a coach who knows how to get it done NOW. Not a coach who USED to get it done.

 

[TEK2000]

Let's not forget that Cowher was one of the youngest to be a HC when he began as well.

Did you even read the article?

Especially read the LAST paragraph.

 

[TEK2000]

Whatever. We will soon see about who makes more sense.






Yeah well 2 teams went to the playoffs and the Ravens have won a Super Bowl. Fact is Cowher has his team in the Championship and Parcells does not. Try again.




Since Parcells has been here the Commanders now own us and the Giants are better then us. The only thing that slowed down the Eagles was losing McNabb for the year.

Thnx for helpin me out with this stuff.


Now Cowher...9 playoff seasons in 13 seasons. That means that with a team coached by Cowher you have a 69% chance of gettin to the playoffs.


Parcells with the Cowboys. 1 playoff game in 3 years. 33%.


Cowher 8 division Championships with the Steelers
Parcells 0 division Championships with the Cowboys.


Cowher 5 Championship games with the Steelers.
Parcells 0 Championship games with the Cowboys.



Sorry if I wanna a coach who knows how to get it done NOW. Not a coach who USED to get it done.

Again.. I direct you to this paragraph:

So if we add everything all up, Bill Cowher has been in football for 31 years from High School thru the Pros. He has won ZERO championships at any level. His mentor has 26 years in the NFL with ZERO Championships. His “brothers” have 16 years head coaching experience with ZERO SB appearances. His offspring have 24 years of NFL head coaching experience with ZERO Super Bowl appearances. When you add in Ron Zook’s time as a college head coach you come up with over 100 years of coaching lineage and zero championships. A CENTURY OF FAILURES are the true blood lines of Coach Bill Cowher. I think it’s time to take this dog out behind the shed, Old Yeller style.

I hope and pray that you realize how truly BAD this team was when Parcells took over.. and you're calling for his head after 3 years.

As far as I'm concerned.. 2006 Cowboys are NFC East champs and AT THE LEAST.. playing for the NFC championship. You can mark that down too if you wish.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

the fact that Cowher has been coaching for 15 years and has never won a SB might have something to do with it don't you think

Bingo!

 

[Dave_in-NC]

The fact that Cowher always has his team in the playoffs and a Super Bowl contender is good nuff for me.

Parcells 3 years 1 playoff game. That is 33%

I am pretty sure that Cowhers Steelers have a much higher percent for the playoffs then what Parcells has given the Cowboys.

Fact..Cowher is a better coach NOW then Parcells is.

Thats a huge joke, Cower has been buying his groceries for fifteen years, Parcells has for TWO here in Dallas. All the sudden any thing less than the SB is ok with Cowboy fans? Who cares how deep in the playoffs you go if you dont win the dance?

 

[wileedog]

Cowher 8 division Championships with the Steelers
Parcells 0 division Championships with the Cowboys.


Cowher 5 Championship games with the Steelers.
Parcells 0 Championship games with the Cowboys.

Pure genius Wolverine.

Even if Parcells was the Football Hand of God and got the Cowboys to the NFC championship all 3 years he was here (completely ignoring the pile of crap he inherited), the score would be:

Cowher 8 division Championships with the Steelers
Parcells 3 division Championships with the Cowboys.


Cowher 5 Championship games with the Steelers.
Parcells 3 Championship games with the Cowboys.


Clearly, by whatever metric you could possibly measure it by, Cowher is the superior coach.

Nice analysis, Norman Einstein.

 

[Wolverine]

Again.. I direct you to this paragraph:

What you are COMPLETELY missin is that Cowher has done more for the Steelers then Parcells has done for Dallas.


I do not care about what Parcells has done in the past. All I care about is what he has done for the DALLAS COWBOYS!!!

Until Parcells gets the Cowboys to the Super Bowl then he has not done as much for this team as Cowher has done for the Steelers.

Parcells has yet to win 1 playoff game for this team. At least Cowher knows how to coach his team to win playoff games.

Again I do not care about what Parcells has done for other teams. It is all about Dallas.

Fact is Cowher is 1 game away from goin to Super Bowl 40. Where are the Cowboys. Oh yeah....that is right...watching the playoffs...not in them.

Right NNNNNOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW....Cowher is clearly a better coach.

 

[Wolverine]

Pure genius Wolverine.

Even if Parcells was the Football Hand of God and got the Cowboys to the NFC championship all 3 years he was here (completely ignoring the pile of crap he inherited), the score would be:

Cowher 8 division Championships with the Steelers
Parcells 3 division Championships with the Cowboys.


Cowher 5 Championship games with the Steelers.
Parcells 3 Championship games with the Cowboys.


Clearly, by whatever metric you could possibly measure it by, Cowher is the superior coach.

Nice analysis, Norman Einstein.

Yeah he got such crap that his first year here he went 10-6. The last 2 years have been failures. Try again.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Damn, Wolverine being taken behind the woodshed by half the board tonight

 

[Jimz31]

Did you even read the article?

Especially read the LAST paragraph.

Yes. But give me a break....do you really think that I care about how a coach did in HS?

Even the transition from college to the pros leaves alot to be desired, otherwise a certain USC coach would have torn up the NFL. It didn't happen now did it? Pete Carroll was pretty much laughed out of the NFL, yet he's tearing it up on college.

 

[TEK2000]

Yes. But give me a break....do you really think that I care about how a coach did in HS?

Even the transition from college to the pros leaves alot to be desired, otherwise a certain USC coach would have torn up the NFL. It didn't happen now did it? Pete Carroll was pretty much laughed out of the NFL, yet he's tearing it up on college.

OMG.. reading comprehension here.

BILL COWHER HAS NEVER EVER IN HIS LIFE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM AT ANY LEVEL COACHING OR PLAYING... HS, College, NFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is that clear for ya?

EDIT: You don't care how a coach does at HS or College but all the sudden its important at the NFL level. Did you happen to stop and think that... in a basic FOOTBALL coaching environment... success would be accomplished by GOOD coaches at EVERY LEVEL? So.. basically what you just said is.. a coach could suck at HS and College coaching but be great in the NFL.

 

[AdamJT13]

Wolverine being taken behind the woodshed by half the board tonight

Last year, Wolverine would have taken Jim Mora Jr. over Joe Gibbs, Lovie Smith and Marvin Lewis.

Two years ago, he'd have taken Bill Parcells, Dave Wannstedt and Mike Sherman over Bill Cowher.

Three years ago, he'd have taken Steve Mariucci and Bill Callahan over John Fox and Mike Holmgren.

You get the picture.

 

[TEK2000]

What you are COMPLETELY missin is that Cowher has done more for the Steelers then Parcells has done for Dallas.


I do not care about what Parcells has done in the past. All I care about is what he has done for the DALLAS COWBOYS!!!

Until Parcells gets the Cowboys to the Super Bowl then he has not done as much for this team as Cowher has done for the Steelers.

Parcells has yet to win 1 playoff game for this team. At least Cowher knows how to coach his team to win playoff games.

Again I do not care about what Parcells has done for other teams. It is all about Dallas.

Fact is Cowher is 1 game away from goin to Super Bowl 40. Where are the Cowboys. Oh yeah....that is right...watching the playoffs...not in them.

Right NNNNNOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW....Cowher is clearly a better coach.

Cowher has had 14 years to Parcells' 3.. I sure as hell hope he's accomplished more for his team than Parcells has for the Cowboys.

Do you see how ridiculous that sounds yet?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Last year, Wolverine would have taken Jim Mora Jr. over Joe Gibbs, Lovie Smith and Marvin Lewis.

Two years ago, he'd have taken Bill Parcells, Dave Wannstedt and Mike Sherman over Bill Cowher.

Three years ago, he'd have taken Steve Mariucci and Bill Callahan over John Fox and Mike Holmgren.

You get the picture.

Oh I know, I've been there to slap him around for many a stupid comment.