Ed Reed on Irvin show - Garrett comment - WOW w/audio

[notherbob]

None of this going to matter if the Cowboys don't come together as a team and play like a team instead of every man for himself. Unfortunately, it does not appear that the current bunch of players is capable of coming together and becoming a team.

Glory hogs don't want to sacrifice for others, they want others to sacrifice for them. Jerry's and Wade's personalities only encourage them to act up.

This team is a reflection of how it is managed.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Wow...

Ed Reed was just interviewed on Michael Irvin's radio show just now (ESPN radio 103.3FM)

He was asked simply "how did you beat the Cowboys?"

his response essentially: *slight laugh* well... we prepared all week and had a good gameplan and their gameplan on offense was "simple" and "we knew it". When people around the league are talking about head coaching openings and inserting a certain coach from the Cowboys [Garrett], I'm like "hold on now..". People in Dallas are wanting to fire Wade Phillips when his defense is successful but it's Garrett they should be taking a look at

damn..

to you who continue to believe in the myth that Wade's defense sparkled, think back to a 9-7 season and no playoffs. Think back to the Ravens running two long runs for TDS. Think back to losing to the Shegirls by 38 points.

As for Garrett's noncomplicated offense (supposedly, the amateurs say), my fellow Zoner nailed it when he mentioned execution.

Lombardi has one of the most basic, least complicated offensive systems.
He believe that you practice, practice, practice a handful of basic plays and you do it until you execute each play perfectly.
Then you run them with each man executing. With a dragon like Lombardi breathing down yer neck you eventually perfect each play and do it the way it was designed.

And if you do, you win.

Its simplistic to put the blame on Garrett when it was his offense that was winning games early in the season when Stewie was mucking up the works. It was more difficult when Romo injured his throwing hand and the offensive line suddenly decided that blocking was overrated and the still-recovering Romo had to throw one second after he got the ball or be run over by defenders.

The world has turned upside down when we get to a point when Garrett is the scapegoat and Wade and his flunky Stew emerge unscathed by some of you.

In a nutshell, the offense played well then sputtered (post-injury).
the defense sputtered then played a couple of good games and then sputtered again in December.
And Garrett is to blame? Soley?

Unbelievable.

 

[Temo]

It isn't just Ed Reed. It was the Steelers saying they had that last play scripted on the sidelines for them. It's Romo explicitly calling out the scheme as the major failure in that last game. It's the fact that fans at home can call the plays before they happen.

That being said, I think Garret needs another chance. He's young and he's learning. He has great moments and he had a big slump there at the end of the season. I'm also sure that the intelligence (or lack thereof) of some of the players on this team is a major limiting factor on what we can do offensively.

Just for fun, lets go through some of our most-run plays:

1) The "pistol" formation draw (it's not a real shotgun)
2) Owens on the double move going deep, frequently using motion to set it up
3) Williams on the hitch or quick out
4) Witten hitting the seams
5) Crayton on Slants (which he drops anyway) or crossing routes
6) The pitch play to Felix (he goes way wide) or Barber (he seems to cut it up field a little sooner)

The main problem is that Garrett seemed to have the same receivers running the same routes. He likes to identify what a player does well and abuse it... which is fine to an extent but he may have worked himself into a rut. It's not something that can't be fixed. He has all offseason to figure it out.

 

[masomenos]

And our offense only got 4 first downs in 3 quarters in a half, obviously necessitating the defense was tired of bailing the offense out...The offense only moved in know-huddle, when Garrett became a non-factor...

Um, no, that's not true. Check the play by play.

And sorry, professionals don't have the right to get "tired of bailing the offense out". Do your job, earn your millions, and don't allow the first back to back runs of 75+ yards in NFL history. You don't think the offense has ever had to "bail" the defense out? You know, like the first Eagles game when they allowed 37 points? Give me a break.

If our offense was so "simple", then Balt. would have known the pre-snap reads and we still wouldn't have moved the ball in the 4th.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

And our offense only got 4 first downs in 3 quarters in a half, obviously necessitating the defense was tired of bailing the offense out...The offense only moved in know-huddle, when Garrett became a non-factor...

the defense got some nerve if you consider how ****ty they've been the past couple of years.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

simple doesn't matter all the time. it's about exectution. it's been said MANY times that the colts have a very simple offense as well. i think the part that i lay on JG is lack of adjustment and lack of commitment to a real running game instead of this shotgun draw all the time. why have maulers if you don't power run and throw WR screens on 3rd and 1?

Thank you.

I posted something similar yesterday.

And.... I also mentioned that while Garrett may have some shortcomings... I think he can get over all of them

One shortcoming that I am concerned with is... he thinks he is running or trying to run with the philosophy of the 90's Cowboys. Opposing teams KNOW the gameplan against them and STILL couldnt stop us... THEN.

Times have changed. You have to outsmart and create mismatches. Garrett seems to sending out plays that are... "here is the play... try and stop us"

That wont work as well today

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I'm sure Ed Reed's upset that Garrett didn't take the Ravens job and that's why he's trying to show up Garrett.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Here's the thing.

I watched alot of the pre-game and weekly interviews, and quite frankly I was completely annoyed with how cocky Ray Lewis and Harbaugh were when talking about how they were going to shut down our offense. I wish I could post the interview with Harbaugh where he mockingly talked about the "great Cowboys offense" and then said "it can be slowed down, heck it can be stopped, and we're gonna do it."

And then they did, for almost the entire game. They seemed to lay off the rush at the end and Romo was running the quick-offense well.

Again it is fine to have a simple offense. But the way our WRs run routes it simply doesn't work. They get no seperation because the DB knows where they're going almost every play.

I have a feeling if Garrett became the HC here and was given GM powers, he would get rid of T.O. and possibly Roy Williams (although I reserve judgement there given Roy's midseason transition).

This is all true, but you also run into a chicken and the egg argument of how much is the coach's responsibility to ensure the players run the right routes. In some cases a player might be un-coachable over time and those guys definitely need to be escorted out of town ASAP (regardless of talent level). Then you have the next group of guys who might not have an innate attention to detail or a great work ethic and just need to be cattle proded by the coaches (I believe RW11 falls into that group).

 

[birdwells1]

Reed and Ray are just yapping sour grapes because Garrett didn't want to coach them.

And what about the fourth quarter there Ed?

If Wade's defense doesn't allow two ridiculous runs there at the end I think we are talking about a 27-26 win for the Cowboys and it would have been Romo as the hero who used Garrett's offense to pull it off.

Let's not act like the Ravens shut out the Cowboys.

They allowed the Cowboys to go on two 70+ yard drives in the 4th quarter and a total of 17 fourth quarter points.

Typical player from Miami running his mouth.

So I guess we will discard any negative comments about JG's offense. Whenever someone says something negative we'll just come up with pther reasons why they're wrong. Romo and T.O. said the same thing about this offense too.

 

[Rampage]

It isn't just Ed Reed. It was the Steelers saying they had that last play scripted on the sidelines for them. It's Romo explicitly calling out the scheme as the major failure in that last game. It's the fact that fans at home can call the plays before they happen.

That being said, I think Garret needs another chance. He's young and he's learning. He has great moments and he had a big slump there at the end of the season. I'm also sure that the intelligence (or lack thereof) of some of the players on this team is a major limiting factor on what we can do offensively.

Just for fun, lets go through some of our most-run plays:

1) The "pistol" formation draw (it's not a real shotgun)
2) Owens on the double move going deep, frequently using motion to set it up
3) Williams on the hitch or quick out
4) Witten hitting the seams
5) Crayton on Slants (which he drops anyway) or crossing routes
6) The pitch play to Felix (he goes way wide) or Barber (he seems to cut it up field a little sooner)

The main problem is that Garrett seemed to have the same receivers running the same routes. He likes to identify what a player does well and abuse it... which is fine to an extent but he may have worked himself into a rut. It's not something that can't be fixed. He has all offseason to figure it out.

:clap2: wonder what his fanboys got to say about that.

 

[dcfanatic]

Ed Reed on Irvin
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The boys from the U sure do love themselves, lol.

He is the best Safety in the league though.

I love his answer when Irvin asks him why is he the best in the world.

And not to call the OP or anything, but Reed wasn't as disrespectful to Garrett as you made it seem at all. You did what the fans hate which is to pull some stuff out of context and run with it.

 

[The Panch]

If our offense was so "simple", then Balt. would have known the pre-snap reads and we still wouldn't have moved the ball in the 4th.

This is the same Ravens defense that dominated the offenses of Tennessee and Pittsburgh twice, then started playing prevent D and let them drive on em to win the football game. And those are mediocre passing teams. I dont put too much stock on what our offense was able to do when they stopped coming after Romo.

 

[khiladi]

Um, no, that's not true. Check the play by play.

And sorry, professionals don't have the right to get "tired of bailing the offense out". Do your job, earn your millions, and don't allow the first back to back runs of 75+ yards in NFL history. You don't think the offense has ever had to "bail" the defense out? You know, like the first Eagles game when they allowed 37 points? Give me a break.

If our offense was so "simple", then Balt. would have known the pre-snap reads and we still wouldn't have moved the ball in the 4th.

1.Are you saying professional defenses don't get tired after the offense can't do squat for 3 and a half quarters? How do you explain Emmit Smith breaking off long run after long run in the later stages of the games, despite the opposing defenses knowing what was coming? And if the offense bailed the defense out in the past, so what? The defense would be to blame for their crappy performance. 2.Yes, our offense is so simple. Further, one only has to realize the tempo of no-huddle is quicker, so that reduces the chance of the defense to adjust, even if they allegedly know what would be coming, provided they had time to get into their sets. The fact is, Garrett was less of a factor than prior.3. The ravens defense didn't get anything going until the third quarter, and even then, it was because of poor special teams play, with a 23 yard return by Mason and a fake-field goal. 4. Up until the 4th quarter, Dallas offense had 5 series with only 3 plays, each netting 4, 7, 2, 9 and 1 yard respoectively. They had two series where they had only 4 plays, one ending in an INT and the other a punt. They flat-out sucked and wore the defense down.. That is a fact...That Cowboys offense had 141 yards thorugh three quarters.

 

[dcfanatic]

So I guess we will discard any negative comments about JG's offense. Whenever someone says something negative we'll just come up with pther reasons why they're wrong. Romo and T.O. said the same thing about this offense too.

Now you can remove your foot from your mouth and actually listen to the audio.

And way to jump to conclusions on what I wrote. I never said there weren't problems with the offense and please don't even try to lump me in with the 'homers' around here who think nothing is wrong because you are way off.

Reed even admits that if T.O. looks up a second sooner they have a different game on their hands.

 

[theogt]

simple doesn't matter all the time. it's about exectution. it's been said MANY times that the colts have a very simple offense as well. i think the part that i lay on JG is lack of adjustment and lack of commitment to a real running game instead of this shotgun draw all the time. why have maulers if you don't power run and throw WR screens on 3rd and 1?

It works both ways. As Tony said, when you have a good gameplan that puts you in position to make plays, it can sometimes look like you're playing better than you really are. When you have a gameplan that you have to OVERCOME through excellent execution, that's a hindrance.

 

[khiladi]

the defense got some nerve if you consider how ****ty they've been the past couple of years.

Not after Wade took over the defense, do they have nerve...

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Not after Wade took over the defense, do they have nerve...

So 4 above average games is enough to validate 3 years of being mediocore?

 

[superpunk]

This is all true, but you also run into a chicken and the egg argument of how much is the coach's responsibility to ensure the players run the right routes. In some cases a player might be un-coachable over time and those guys definitely need to be escorted out of town ASAP (regardless of talent level). Then you have the next group of guys who might not have an innate attention to detail or a great work ethic and just need to be cattle proded by the coaches (I believe RW11 falls into that group).

The responsibility is shared, yeah.

TO absolutely does need magic routes at this point, but Jason wouldn't give them to him. So is it TO's fault for running crappy routes, or is it Jason's for not putting in more magic routes? They share responsibility, probably.

I hope we see alot different out of Roy E. next season.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

DC is right... Always listen to the audio yourself.

The part about our simple game plan starts about 8:39.

Hey, on the bright side, at least it sounds like he thinks our defense is all right.

"I'm surprised that they're trying to fire Wade Phillips down there and he's the one calling the defense and the defense is successful... And the guy who's calling the offensive plays, you know, ain't getting the same turnaround."

 

[dcfanatic]

Not after Wade took over the defense, do they have nerve...

I love this 'Wade took over the defense' stuff.

Where was he for two years? Working on the offense? lol.

If he was so smart he would have 'took over the defense' when Jerry hired him because it's the exact reason he was brought to Dallas.

Instead he moped around being Brian Stewart's BFF in letting him get some on the job training. That was a huge failure.

And if Stewart is still the DC next season then what? Wade is probably going to give him another shot at running the defense once again.