Ellis says D.Ware hid from coaches...w/audio Post#77

[SaltwaterServr]

What's funny about it, or maybe ironic about this thread. Is that a few guys are arguing about Greg and partly his whining, but mainly him "throwing Anthony under the bus"

Meanwhile, Cowboy fans are throwing members of their own ilk under the bus.

One is the basis of message board, being able to agree or disagree to varying orders of degree.

Players DO NOT throw other players under the bus, especially in the public media. It violates the very essence of the term "team mate".

 

[Idgit]

One is the basis of message board, being able to agree or disagree to varying orders of degree.

Players DO NOT throw other players under the bus, especially in the public media. It violates the very essence of the term "team mate".

Ellis made a pretty clear distinction between Spencer's abilities in general and the fact that he blew it on that particular running play. That's not throwing a guy under the bus in my opinion.

And I'm not sure I agree with you that eating our own is the basis of a sports message board.

 

[BigWillie]

Ellis made a pretty clear distinction between Spencer's abilities in general and the fact that he blew it on that particular running play. That's not throwing a guy under the bus in my opinion.

And I'm not sure I agree with you that eating our own is the basis of a sports message board.

And if Greg doesn't blow the tackle on Amani Toomer for the Gints 1st TD of the playoff game, we win.

OOPS!

 

[speedkilz88]

Everything he said was about we would have won if he had been used more.

Sounds like another egotistical former Cowboy doesn't it?

 

[casmith07]

One is the basis of message board, being able to agree or disagree to varying orders of degree.

Players DO NOT throw other players under the bus, especially in the public media. It violates the very essence of the term "team mate".

Ellis isn't his teammate anymore. He plays for the Raiders.

Which is even more puzzling why this thread is approaching 300 replies.

 

[Hostile]

Sounds like another egotistical former Cowboy doesn't it?

Whom he defended like a greedy lawyer.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

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"Demarcus Ware? No, mon. I no see him lately."

LOL! Love it.

yea I'm trying to figure out, who put the gun to your head, and said "read"

if you don't like it, don't read, much less reply, duh

LOL. Sorry Slate but that response did crack me up.

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Invisible fail.

By far the best post of this entire thread.

whatever, it's negative cause you take it that way, or it was him being confident he could have made the play.

there are two ways to take it and you don't like greg so you took it the negative way.

I just see a guy who wanted to win and felt he could have made a play there, so friggin what?

I don't get the angle you guys took with it, but whatever, I don't get most of the negativity on the board these days.

you guys whine way more than greg ever did, fyi.

I don't hate Greg, at all, and have enjoyed watching him play while he was here. I wished he'd have not whined as much in the offseason, so that wouldn't be what everyone tends to focus on, but I like him.

And even with liking him, and thinking he did well for us, that was him bashing and puffing himself up. It's actually pretty obvious.

because if it happened one time then what greg said was true.

if one time ware came off and said the things ellis said then it's true.

it had to happen one time.

not more than that.

you guys read more into his statement than I do.

it's a bias thing, plain and simple.

And you're not bias to the other side? It's quite obvious you're such a huge fan of Greg that he could say "I'm not being rude here but I think your mother is a Cow." and you'd defend it as Greg just being honest.

Bias goes both ways bro and you're quite clearly bias to the other side.

I didn't do anything stupid, you don't agree with how I take the interview.

then I get called a liar and stupid because my opinion is different than the popular one.

you guys are way the hell out of line coming at me like you are, just because you don't agree with how I take the interview.

and guess what, from my perspective you are being stupid. (and biased)

ohhh I just lied again, better call the internet forum police because I disagree with you guys. ohhh I R stupidz.

lmao @ you guys.

Ok...so let me get this straight. You having one opinion means you're not biased, and clear thinking, but anyone having the opposite opinion is biased and there for being stupid?

Ok...I guess. Apparently you're another one of those folks whose opinion is the right one, and based in enlightened facts, and everyone else is dumb for having a differing opinion. But, dear God, they better not question you right?

Please.

well actually he prefaced what he said with he is not bashing, and during and after.

that way you put it sounds worse to me, and I take that as bias.

twisting the facts to suit your point. That's how I see that post of yours you quoted.

Dude that doesn't help your case. If you have to preference a statement by saying "i'm not bashing" before you say it then you're doing so because you KNOW YOUR BASHING.

If he didn't feel like he was going to say something that was bashing him he'd have had no need to add that little disclaimer.

That's pretty simple.

what does that mean? that greg should be able to keep up with a WR?

I don't know the play you are referring to off hand, but we all know greg looked awkward at best in coverage.

He wasn't asked to cover Toomer. He was talking about the fact that he simply had a shot to tackle him and made one of the worst efforts, ever, at doing so. It had nothing to do with covering him, he wasn't asked to do that, just to make a pretty routine tackle. He failed at it.

So if he's going to bash Spencer for missing a routine tackle, and then say 'but I'd have made that tackle', then it's probably best to not have any evidence out there that would prove otherwise.

good lord, you can't handle people having a differing view than you to the point I have to be in denial?

and I am a queen now, lovely how you guys resort to name calling and innuendo.

good show.

You're just as bad. You've name called as well. Trying to defend name calling, because people called you names, is still name calling. So stop whinning about others doing it to you if you're not above doing it right back.

greg sucked in coverage, that play has nothing to do with the entire premise of the arguement.

twist twist twist, you guys really don't think you are biased?

that's just silliness.

And, once again, he wasn't covering him. He was simply there to attempt to make a tackle and he failed at it.

Bias, bias, bias on your part because you're just going to make up excuses and reasons why it's ok that Greg missed an easy, routine, tackle but it's perfectly ok for him to bash another teammate for missing one and then saying, 'i'd have made that tackle.'

it's not the same at all, spencer got his hands on the guy whiffed on the tackle, in run support.

Greg said he would have made the tackle.

so, a pass play has nothing to do with run support.

you, like many others, are very biased.

A tackle is a tackle. It doesn't matter if it's at the line of scrimmage, behind it, or 6 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Tackles are tackles. You don't get to decide which tackles that are missed count as tackles and which ones dont.

no it isn't, one is I have a chip on my shoulder(which you do and have proven)

and another is comfortable in their own skin.

don't call me a loser, I don't call you names, and you don't know me.

but I don't like guys like you, and no you wouldn't knock my teeth in, I can promise you that, tough guy.

And you don't know him yet you've already judged him as if you do. You don't know if he has a chip on his shoulder, based on message board words, anymore than people who think you're a whinner, and bias, personally know you.

And how do you know he wouldn't knock your teeth out? Again, just like he doesn't know you, you don't know him.

Works both ways, again, and yet you seem to think people should treat you in a different manner than you treat others.

A tackle is a tackle. Sorry.

They don't keep track of "passing tackles" and "run support tackles"

Exactly.

I know you enough, you have a chip on your shoulder.

you get butt hurt when people disagree with you and you pitch a little fit.

you said I am a loser because I don't punch people in the face if they call me fat. You know what you were implying. You do that crap to more people than me here.

you throw a ton of BS out and when you get called on it you act like a spoiled little kid.

trust me that i am not the only one here who sees it that way.

I won't be responding to you again, it does no good to ever explain anything to you.

You know him enough to throw around labels, and make judgements on him, based on his posts but no one knows you enough to do the same to you based on your posts?

Wow.

 

[Four]

I have been around a lot longer than any of you realize.

the join date means little in the grand scheme of how long I have been reading this board.

and I am not a greg fan, I don't dislike the guy and wish him well. As I do most anyone who played well for tthe cowboys.

It sickens me how "fans" turn on good players who shed blood for this team.

I was in the stadium when fans like some of the posters here booed Troy.

Those same fans now cry that he has an anti-cowboys bias, like they don't deserve it for the way they treated him on his way out. I don't think troy is anti-anything. But he would be justified in it.

I don't like people getting stomped on, and I will almost always take the other side in those instances. Unless the guy deserves it truly, which I am sorry, but greg doesn't deserve the crap spewed about him by the same fans who cheered every play he made only to stab him on his way out the door. I think that's BS and like I said, I will always take up for those people.

 

[Four]

I would like to add, I think it's riduculously hypocritical how negative the fans are about stuff but the moment a player like greg is negative they get all defensive and think less of the player.

The player has more knowledge and right than any of us to have concerns. None of us know that team from the inside, and to rip a guy that does seems really wrong to me. If it's okay for the fans to ***** and moan then it should be doubly so for a player who has intiment knowledge of the situaion.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Which is fine but you lumping in everyones opinions about Greg, or Troy, as people who only say it because they hate him makes you look foolish because you don't know what you're talking about.

Just because people don't like this interview about Greg, or didn't like his whinning every year, doesn't mean they didn't like or appreciate what he brought to the Cowboys or that they didn't chear him.

Are there ones here who just plain don't like him, at all? Sure. But that doesn't mean everyone should be labled by that, which is what you've done.

Anyone whose opinion was negative toward what Greg said you immediately appointed yourself as the person to decide that it was bias, and that they simply hated Greg, so they were meanie heads who shouldn't say anything.

I just wanted to clear up that not everyone here hated him, probably a lot of fans here actually thought he was a good player. I certainly liked him. And I liked Troy and didn't boo him on his way out and I don't think he's bias either.

But if he makes a comment that I don't agree with, yeah I'm going to voice the fact that I don't agree with it. Not because I hated him, not because I don't appreciate the 3 rings he brought here, but because I don't agree with it.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Oh and one other thing, because you're not the only person I've seen post this, how long you've 'been around' has nothing to do with rather people are going to agree with you or not or give you a hard time or not.

Hos has been around as long, or longer, than pretty much everyone here and he has plenty of people that give him a hard time about all kinds of stuff.

You're time here, and your post count, mean exactly nothing.

 

[theogt]

I would like to add, I think it's riduculously hypocritical how negative the fans are about stuff but the moment a player like greg is negative they get all defensive and think less of the player.

The player has more knowledge and right than any of us to have concerns. None of us know that team from the inside, and to rip a guy that does seems really wrong to me. If it's okay for the fans to ***** and moan then it should be doubly so for a player who has intiment knowledge of the situaion.

That's not hypocritical at all, actually. Fans aren't players. Obviously they're held to different standards.

That's like saying its hypocritical to call Player X slow if he runs a 4.7 when I can't run a 4.7. Of course that's not hypocritical, because they're held to different standards.

Just stop digging your hole deeper. Have you noticed that almost no one in this thread agrees with you? You have posters from all sides making fun of you.

 

[Alexander]

I would like to add, I think it's riduculously hypocritical how negative the fans are about stuff but the moment a player like greg is negative they get all defensive and think less of the player.

The player has more knowledge and right than any of us to have concerns. None of us know that team from the inside, and to rip a guy that does seems really wrong to me. If it's okay for the fans to ***** and moan then it should be doubly so for a player who has intiment knowledge of the situaion.

So how about Terrell Owens?

He has more knowledge and right than any of us to have concerns. Yet I am sure most around here felt he was fair game to be criticized.

The obvious issue here is that Greg Ellis was more well-liked and fans pick and choose who they believe and who they feel has earned the right to talk negatively about the team.

What you are seeing is anger from fans who finally realize what kind of person and teammate he really was. And it is far from the image his friends in the Dallas media crafted for him.

 

[Hostile]

I would like to add, I think it's riduculously hypocritical how negative the fans are about stuff but the moment a player like greg is negative they get all defensive and think less of the player.

The player has more knowledge and right than any of us to have concerns. None of us know that team from the inside, and to rip a guy that does seems really wrong to me. If it's okay for the fans to ***** and moan then it should be doubly so for a player who has intiment knowledge of the situaion.

Greg lost me when he wanted a pay raise after a season ending injury.

Stupid thing was, Jerry gave it to him.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Even gone to another team this clown can't stop trying to cause problems for the team. If there was an most disliked all-time Cowboy for me...it would be Greg Ellis and his whiney-sorry-never-won-a-playoff-game *** by a country mile.

 

[Four]

Greg lost me when he wanted a pay raise after a season ending injury.

Stupid thing was, Jerry gave it to him.

I really like jerry for those types of things. If greg never got to play at his level again, which was possible given his injury, then he was still taken care of.

I understand where you are coming from, but in his situation I understand why greg wanted more money, and I understand why jerry did it.

Jerry rewards guys sometimes for past efforts. I think he is likely a big ole softy when you get right down to it. I dig that about Mr. Jones.

 

[Four]

Oh and one other thing, because you're not the only person I've seen post this, how long you've 'been around' has nothing to do with rather people are going to agree with you or not or give you a hard time or not.

Hos has been around as long, or longer, than pretty much everyone here and he has plenty of people that give him a hard time about all kinds of stuff.

You're time here, and your post count, mean exactly nothing.

you're completely wrong about that, and I have experience that proves it out in my mind.

They are mine and mine alone to have and I won't get into them, but you are mistaken if you think my "newness" doesn't play a large role in how I got attacked in this thread.

 

[speedkilz88]

Norm just talked about the interview and he couldn't understand Greg's "delusion" that the team treated him badly. etc.

 

[Doomsday101]

I wish the best to Ellis but it is time to move on, the time for Spencer to step up and be the man is here.