Equal Opportunity Case

[ShiningStar]

of those 9 cases, how many involved a white player other than josh brown and his 1 game punishment?

i see you have yet to accept the fact that hes being discriminated against because the NFL doesnt like RBs.

 

[waldoputty]

I assume you are referring to Josh Brown, The NFL didn't have access to those documents that the sheriff had and refused to turn over, again the NFL investigators don't have subpoena power of ability to convene a grand jury, witnesses aren't compelled to comply with the investigation, it was only a month later after documents came out , Brown was placed on the NFL exempt list pending further investigation by the NFL ...his career was over, Giants cut him...Ray Rice received 2 games, then the video of the incident came out, he never played another down in the NFL....NFL investigation going forward are going to be lengthy and they're going to overturn every rock they can, for six month's Zeke would not turn over his phone to NFL investigators, that delayed the investigation greatly..

what matters is the official punishment.
it does not matter if the player got 'black listed' since it is not an official punishment.
if more info came out later the punishment was dished out, doe the all-powerful CBA not allow the NFL to adjust the punishment - since there is more evidence.
ray rice case, whether the video came out before or after, is not relevant since he is black also.

 

[waldoputty]

i see you have yet to accept the fact that hes being discriminated against because the NFL doesnt like RBs.

whatever works bro.
lawsuit = warfare

 

[Hawkeye19]

of those 9 cases, how many involved a white player other than josh brown and his 1 game punishment?

No idea

 

[Dodger12]

7 out of 9 DV decisions Goodell has made since the new policy was released have not been for 6 games. It is definitely interesting that he has chosen Zeke to drop the hammer on-- but in truth, under the CBA, he has full jurisdiction to impose ALL discipline. Still don't see Zeke winning a case under equal opportunity. The NFLPA and CBA gave Goodell the power, and we will have to wait until that is negotiated again to end the tyranny lol...

Goodell and the NFL can make the argument that the length of the previous suspensions did little to deter future instances of DV by the players so he increased the penalty. I'm also wondering if the 6 games is just not for the alleged DV but also for other instances of poor judgement. I thought I read that somewhere.

 

[waldoputty]

No idea

this shows 24 players accused of DV as of dec 2015.
only 1 is white (page 8) - but i dont know if that is josh brown.
https://www.aol.com/article/2015/12...c-violence/21280511/#slide=3732129#fullscreen

 

[waldoputty]

Goodell and the NFL can make the argument that the length of the previous suspensions did little to deter future instances of DV by the players so he increased the penalty. I'm also wondering if the 6 games is just not for the alleged DV but also for other instances of poor judgement. I thought I read that somewhere.

good point, however josh brown suspension was handed out in aug 2016.
that is 8 months after the article showed 24 cases of possible in the nfl.
https://www.aol.com/article/2015/12...c-violence/21280511/#slide=3732129#fullscreen
i dont have any info on dv cases after aug 2016, but i suspect it is far less than 24.
thus, given the fact that the accuser has shown to be a liar, i would not want to be the nfl.

 

[The Quest for Six]

what matters is the official punishment.
it does not matter if the player got 'black listed' since it is not an official punishment.
if more info came out later the punishment was dished out, doe the all-powerful CBA not allow the NFL to adjust the punishment - since there is more evidence.
ray rice case, whether the video came out before or after, is not relevant since he is black also.

if you're placed on the NFL exempt list, as Josh Brown was because more information came out about his DM incidents and has never played another down in the NFL, what do you want, the NFL to now say he receives a 6 game suspension for which he will never serve anyway.... Hardy and AP were placed on the exempt list, they were not allowed to play pending resolution of an investigation,, not playing for 15 games in Hardy's case while in Carolina, is that not a suspension by itself, yet it's not an official suspension...

 

[waldoputty]

if you're placed on the NFL exempt list, as Josh Brown was because more information came out about his DM incidents and has never played another down in the NFL, what do you want, the NFL to now say he receives a 6 game suspension for which he will never serve anyway.... Hardy and AP were placed on the exempt list, they were not allowed to play pending resolution of an investigation,, not playing for 15 games in Hardy's case while in Carolina, is that not a suspension by itself, yet it's not an official suspension...

i am not arguing the fairness etc.
i am arguing about how to win in court and in public relations.
both of which matter greatly to the nfl.

if i were zeke's lawyers, i would hold a simple press conference.
3 slides.
1. accuser lied and tried to falsify evidence.
2. josh brown punishment
3. why is zeke being punished unfairly when a) he did not do it and b) the white player's punishment is arguably 10x less.

 

[Sydla]

https://www.eeoc.gov/
That is the federal agency in charge of equal opportunity - employers are not supposed to discriminate based on race ... etc.
Others have made the case that Josh Brown, a white employee, admitted to 20 cases of DV got 1 game.
And other black employees have gotten 10 games or similar for less than 20 cases of DV.
Yet Zeke got 6 games while his accuser has admitted or have been proven to falsify evidence.
There is no way an antitrust protection CBA protects from equal opportunity cases.
Zeke should get less than 1 game - or actually 0 games.

Yeah no.

You will need more examples of white players getting lighter punishments than black players for DV. Don't forget that black players make up almost 70% of the league, so it's not a surprise more black players might get accused of DV than whites.

You will need a lot more evidence than what you have above.

 

[waldoputty]

Yeah no.

You will need more examples of white players getting lighter punishments than black players for DV. Don't forget that black players make up almost 70% of the league, so it's not a surprise more black players might get accused of DV than whites.

You will need a lot more evidence than what you have above.

i already showed a link to 24 case.
only 1 was white - not sure if that was josh brown.
that is the data - you work with what you got.

 

[The Quest for Six]

i am not arguing the fairness etc.
i am arguing about how to win in court and in public relations.
both of which matter greatly to the nfl.

if i were zeke's lawyers, i would hold a simple press conference.
3 slides.
1. accuser lied and tried to falsify evidence.
2. josh brown punishment
3. why is zeke being punished unfairly when a) he did not do it and b) the white player's punishment is arguably 10x less.

Zeke and lawyers released a statement, no where did they stipulate he was innocent of the charges, only they were disappointed in the league suspension and that he is a man not without his faults

If I didn't do something I was accused of, I wouldn't release that kind of statement..

I laugh at this continuing of bringing up Josh Brown......at the time of his suspension, the NFL knew of ONE incident ONLY, in Zeke's case the NFL knows of 6 SEPARATE incidents, bad comparison

How can he argue he received unfair punishment when Big Ben received the same punishment and last year the NFL set out stiffer suspensions guidelines going forward....

Do you think four games or less for Zeke for DV is equivalent to four games for deflating footballs with Brady...don't see the suspension being reduced.

 

[waldoputty]

Zeke and lawyers released a statement, no where did they stipulate he was innocent of the charges, only they were disappointed in the league suspension and that he is a man not without his faults

If I didn't do something I was accused of, I wouldn't release that kind of statement..

I laugh at this continuing of bringing up Josh Brown......at the time of his suspension, the NFL knew of ONE incident ONLY, in Zeke's case the NFL knows of 6 SEPARATE incidents, bad comparison

How can he argue he received unfair punishment when Big Ben received the same punishment and last year the NFL set out stiffer suspensions guidelines going forward....

Do you think four games or less for Zeke for DV is equivalent to four games for deflating footballs with Brady...don't see the suspension being reduced.

ben was for sexual assault not DV?
deflating balls is not DV.
compare apples-to-apples is all we can do.

is there anything in the 'all-powerful' CBA that prevents NFL from modifying Josh Brown punishment?
i presume not.

i am arguing legal points here and not arguing whether zeke is guilty or not.
that is irrelevant to the legal strategy.

beyond filing with EEOC, i would attack this publicly.
make simple case - just 3 points.
1. accuser lied and falsified evidence
2. white player got 1 game
3. zeke got much more when a) he did not do it as accuser is proven liar and b) white player got 10x less punishment while ADMITTING to his crimes.

 

[waldoputty]

Why do we always have to turn everything into a race issue?

whatever works.
this is war.
btw, i am not black, and this is about legal strategy not politics.

 

[erod]

I laugh at this continuing of bringing up Josh Brown......at the time of his suspension, the NFL knew of ONE incident ONLY, in Zeke's case the NFL knows of 6 SEPARATE incidents, bad comparison

They didn't investigate Josh Brown. They spent 13 months on this. Brown beat the crap out of his wife for years.

Zeke is paying the price for others. Brown, Rice, Hardy.......

Meanwhile, Pacman Jones just got arrest for the 9th time, and he got one game.

 

[erod]

whatever works.
this is war.
btw, i am not black, and this is about legal strategy not politics.

Do you really want a racial riot in the NFL that mimics what BLM and white nationalists are causing in America right now?

We're not as racially divided as the media and these fringe groups NEED us to think we are. Not even close. I think we get along quite well when the media isn't telling us how much we hate each other.

 

[waldoputty]

They didn't investigate Josh Brown. They spent 13 months on this. Brown beat the crap out of his wife for years.

Zeke is paying the price for others. Brown, Rice, Hardy.......

Meanwhile, Pacman Jones just got arrest for the 9th time, and he got one game.

Zeke and lawyers released a statement, no where did they stipulate he was innocent of the charges, only they were disappointed in the league suspension and that he is a man not without his faults

If I didn't do something I was accused of, I wouldn't release that kind of statement..

I laugh at this continuing of bringing up Josh Brown......at the time of his suspension, the NFL knew of ONE incident ONLY, in Zeke's case the NFL knows of 6 SEPARATE incidents, bad comparison

How can he argue he received unfair punishment when Big Ben received the same punishment and last year the NFL set out stiffer suspensions guidelines going forward....

Do you think four games or less for Zeke for DV is equivalent to four games for deflating footballs with Brady...don't see the suspension being reduced.

Lets stop making this thing about fairness.

It is about how to win.

Look for the enemy's weak point and kill it.

 

[waldoputty]

Do you really want a racial riot in the NFL that mimics what BLM and white nationalists are causing in America right now?

We're not as racially divided as the media and these fringe groups NEED us to think we are. Not even close. I think we get along quite well when the media isn't telling us how much we hate each other.

exactly.
give the other owners that choice and let them decide.
if they dont act, then open the gates of hell.

again, this is not about politics.
but what i would do if i were zeke's lawyers.
this is a power game.

 

[Sydla]

i already showed a link to 24 case.
only 1 was white - not sure if that was josh brown.
that is the data - you work with what you got.

Then you can't work with it. Because it is not complete enough to support where you are trying to go with it.

 

[Jstopper]

They didn't investigate Josh Brown. They spent 13 months on this. Brown beat the crap out of his wife for years.

Zeke is paying the price for others. Brown, Rice, Hardy.......

Meanwhile, Pacman Jones just got arrest for the 9th time, and he got one game.

Erod that is not the point. They came out with a MANDATORY 6 game suspension for the 1st instance of DV after the Ray Rice and Greg Hardy fiasco. Josh Brown received a 1 game suspension in August 2016. Can you directly explain to me (without changing the subject or avoiding the question) how a player was suspended for 1 game WAY AFTER the MANDATORY 6 game rule was put into place?