ESPN: Barber v. Jones

[theogt]

Come on Jones is faster you even posted the numbers yourself
40 Time:
Julius Jones: 4.47
Marion Barber: 4.49

:laugh2:

I hope I'm detecting sarcasm.

 

[Little Jr]

Just going on the last 2 years I believe that MB will be that starting RB by season end. Now if JJ is right and BP had him running like a robot then I might be wrong.

 

[superpunk]

I hope I'm detecting sarcasm.

Allow me to help you with that.

Parcells started Julius....I don't know why. He liked what each back gave him, when they gave it to him, and kept on with it. Julius played pretty well to start the season, but struggled after 5 games. Maybe Parcells was always just hoping Julius would return to that, remain cinsistent, and continue to provide him with that breakaway threat.

I also think IR's point about Barber's role - and what starting him would have meant to that role as a blocker - is very valid.

 

[Doomsday101]

I hope I'm detecting sarcasm.

Yes you are. I don't judge any RB by how fast they run but the production of the player after all this is not track and field this is football. A knock on ES was he was not fast but that never stopped ES from breaking many long runs and some for the distances. In this case the speed difference is not great and at least from what I saw last year when the offense needed a spark it was Barber helping to bring that spark to the offense.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Do you think I just say things to be saying it? There are some ridiculous memes that get passed around fans and Julius being more athletic than Barber is one of them. It's a fabrication. It doesn't bear out on the field or in the numbers.

Wow again.

I'm not even talking about who is the better back. But saying that Barber has just as much quickness and speed is silly. And I'm not even sure what "numbers" could bear that out. Pro Day 40 and shuttle times? Please.

Who said that he started Julius for his big play potential? As has been pointed out, if he was doing that, it would be irrational.

Alexander and IR, just a few posts above.

[I think he started Julius because he'd do exactly what he was told (i.e., run like a robot).

Are you being facetious? I thought the whole "robot" thing had become just a joke.

Besides, Barber ran just like Parcells loved anyway.

I'm starting to wonder why we ever played Julius at all. Wearing down Joe Morris talk aside, Parcells didn't have any problem running Curtis Martis into the ground in New York.

I think emoticons are like racing stripes on cars. Stripes make people think their cars are faster, while emoticons make people think their point has validity.

Let me try that:

Barber is just as fast and quick as Julius. :laugh2:

Naw, I'm still not convinced.

 

[Alexander]

Allow me to help you with that.

Parcells started Julius....I don't know why. He liked what each back gave him, when they gave it to him, and kept on with it. Julius played pretty well to start the season, but struggled after 5 games. Maybe Parcells was always just hoping Julius would return to that, remain cinsistent, and continue to provide him with that breakaway threat.

I also think IR's point about Barber's role - and what starting him would have meant to that role as a blocker - is very valid.

I believe he also stated this is a press conference. Or several.

 

[theogt]

I believe he also stated this is a press conference. Or several.

Good. That just goes to show that he was indeed irrational.

 

[superpunk]

Good. That just goes to show that he was indeed irrational.

There's nothing irrational about that.

Go take a nap.

 

[theogt]

Wow again.

I'm not even talking about who is the better back. But saying that Barber has just as much quickness and speed is silly. And I'm not even sure what "numbers" could bear that out. Pro Day 40 and shuttle times? Please.

Please, do ignore the facts. It has helped Julius Jones apologists sleep at night for years.

Are you being facetious? I thought the whole "robot" thing had become just a joke.

Huh? I'm just using Julius' own words.

Besides, Barber ran just like Parcells loved anyway.

I'm starting to wonder why we ever played Julius at all. Wearing down Joe Morris talk aside, Parcells didn't have any problem running Curtis Martis into the ground in New York.

He didn't think either back could handle the full load.

 

[theogt]

There's nothing irrational about that.

Go take a nap.

I'm talking about the Julius Jones "homerun" ability. Why would he keep Julius in the game for that when (1) he was making him "run like a robot" and (2) Julius was hitting homeruns.

How is that not irrational?

 

[superpunk]

I'm talking about the Julius Jones "homerun" ability. Why would he keep Julius in the game for that when (1) he was making him "run like a robot" and (2) Julius was hitting homeruns.

How is that not irrational?

I think we were referring to the Barber's value as a blocker, and the necessity to have him out there on third downs. They had roles to play, and if Parcells weakened the team in that area, it just compounds itself.

Kind of like why was Roy Williams off the line so much? Well, (a) he's a safety, and (b) Pat Watkins and Keith Davis suck.

I don't think Parcells said anything about Julius' homerun threat, or asking him to run robotically. Those are just internet myths.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't know what facts I'm ignoring. You can point them out if you'd like.

I'm really not here to argue about everything. Those who think Barber is better can knock themselves out as far as I'm concerned. I've said many times that I don't think either is great. IMO they're about on the same level, just with different styles. But I guess I just don't get what some are seeing who act like Barber is great and Julius can't be run out of town fast enough.

And I will disagree all day with those who say Barber has the same speed and quickness. Except that I don't think it's worth arguing. Oh well.

 

[Alexander]

I don't think Parcells said anything about Julius' homerun threat, or asking him to run robotically. Those are just internet myths.

I don't believe so. I can swear Coach Parcells mentioned the big play dimension before. The robot theory is straight from Jones himself.

 

[Alexander]

I'm talking about the Julius Jones "homerun" ability. Why would he keep Julius in the game for that when (1) he was making him "run like a robot" and (2) Julius was hitting homeruns.

How is that not irrational?

He was "hoping". Like anyone else, Coach Parcells did have his moments where he had little else to go on outside of having better options.

 

[theogt]

I think we were referring to the Barber's value as a blocker, and the necessity to have him out there on third downs. They had roles to play, and if Parcells weakened the team in that area, it just compounds itself.

Kind of like why was Roy Williams off the line so much? Well, (a) he's a safety, and (b) Pat Watkins and Keith Davis suck.

I don't think Parcells said anything about Julius' homerun threat, or asking him to run robotically. Those are just internet myths.

Sorry if there was some miscommunication, but based on his recent post, I think I had the right interpretation of his comment.

I don't know what facts I'm ignoring. You can point them out if you'd like.

I already have. They're in this thread.

I'm really not here to argue about everything. Those who think Barber is better can knock themselves out as far as I'm concerned. I've said many times that I don't think either is great. IMO they're about on the same level, just with different styles. But I guess I just don't get what some are seeing who act like Barber is great and Julius can't be run out of town fast enough.

If by same level you mean one produces more than the other, I agree.

He was "hoping". Like anyone else, Coach Parcells did have his moments where he had little else to go on outside of having better options.

Hope is irrational sometimes.

 

[stilltheguru]

JJ went up against a fresh defense ALOT starting the game and starting the second half. Marion usually got defenses when they were already tiring for the most part, BUT i still think Marion is the better back unless Julius goes back to 2004 Julius.

 

[Jarv]

2 backs, one got 1000 yards and the other 14 rushing TD's. With there being only about 5+ real elite backs in the NFL, I'll take that combo.

I saw a couple of plays last year were they were in the backfield at the same time, fake to JJ and Barber ran left for over 10....I liked that.

 

[Doomsday101]

JJ went up against a fresh defense ALOT starting the game and starting the second half. Marion usually got defenses when they were already tiring for the most part, BUT i still think Marion is the better back unless Julius goes back to 2004 Julius.

If you break it down by Qrt.

Jones: 1st qrt 4.3, 2nd 3.8, 3rd 4.5 and 4th 3.2

Barber: 1st qrt 4.1, 2nd qrt 3.7, 3rd 4.9 and 4th 5.7

 

[joseephuss]

This is all a moot point because the incredible Tyson Thompson is going to over take them both and be the next great Cowboy running back. He should be signed to a long term contract NOW.

 

[stilltheguru]

If you break it down by Qrt.

Jones: 1st qrt 4.3, 2nd 3.8, 3rd 4.5 and 4th 3.2

Barber: 1st qrt 4.1, 2nd qrt 3.7, 3rd 4.9 and 4th 5.7

That doesnt show the carries at the beggining of the 1st and 3rd quarters. You have to look at so many circumstances. 4th quarter in some games we couldve been running the clock out and teams know we are running so you run 3 times and get stuffed for a total of 2 yards its gonna look bad. We have two good backs but if JJ was right and Parcells was holding him down Marion will have alot of fun with Gatorade while hes riding the bench.