ESPN: Four Cowboys on decade's 25 most overrated players

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

I want to give a big shout out to these guys for sticking up for Terence Newman. I read all your posts, and you all scored big points. The help is appreciated. Don't wait for me. You need to jump in and counter these smears, smears that keep coming from ESPN.com.

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Don't let the Cowboys biased East Coast media at ESPN smear Terence Newman's stellar reputation, within the NFL, with false statements or comments that are not true.

Don't let them get away with it.

I saw the other comments that defended the other players listed, too. Flozell Adams has been one of the top LT in the NFL for a while. There are not that many elite ones to begin with.

I thought i defended TO alot.lol

 

[AdamJT13]

Honestly, i don’t care.

I didn't think so. You've never let the facts cloud your opinions.

Well, i disagree. The Cowboys had just sacked Big Ben...we were killing them on Defense. Killing them. They had nothing...until.

They had nothing because of that, either. They couldn't capitalize on that HUGELY IMPORTANT GAME CHANGING PLAY to score any points, and they couldn't move the ball more than 2 yards on their next possession, either. So how, exactly, did that play change the game? Answer: It didn't.

Not that you'd care, anyway.

Carry on.

 

[AdamJT13]

Sorry, i don’t get the logic you guys are using. So are you saying in 2006 Henry was better than Newman?

No, but Henry did play well that season. And yet, teams avoided Newman and threw at Henry with abandon.

Basic logic says teams attack the lesser corner.

And that's not Newman.

Regardless, i think Scan and Jenkins will not only be a huge upgrade but i think will challenge Newman as the best corner on the team. My bet is Scan will have more INTs and pass deflections. Also, Newman will get hurt...again.

Thanks for the meaningless predictions. How many interceptions and passes defended did Scandrick have last year, anyway? Oh, wait. Those would be facts. Never mind.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

The reason we lost the Steelers games was Holland going down with injury.

T Newman is legit even though he wasn't his regular self last year I don't know if there's any corner I'd take over him.

 

[dbair1967]

This thread turned into a painful example of why I firmly believe we have the league's dumbest fan base.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Keith Brooking was the worst pickup we have had in years

Worse than Marcellus Wiley? Or Ryan Young?

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Worse than Marcellus Wiley? Or Ryan Young?

Dat Dude was a hussala.....

 

[adbutcher]

Do people pay for this?:laugh2:

 

[Alexander]

They had nothing because of that, either. They couldn't capitalize on that HUGELY IMPORTANT GAME CHANGING PLAY to score any points, and they couldn't move the ball more than 2 yards on their next possession, either. So how, exactly, did that play change the game? Answer: It didn't.

If it was so irrelevant, why was that play called out by Wade Phillips in his post-game press conference? IIRC, he stated if that play didn't happen "we would have shut them down". It may not have shown on the scoreboard, but I believe Phillips had a reason for calling out that one play specifically.

 

[Alexander]

The reason we lost the Steelers games was Holland going down with injury.

T Newman is legit even though he wasn't his regular self last year I don't know if there's any corner I'd take over him.

Actually, the reason we lost was that Tony Romo threw the game changing interception. Proctor takes a lot of heat here and rightfully so, but he actually was not nearly as bad in that game as he was in others.

 

[CATCH17]

This thread turned into a painful example of why I firmly believe we have the league's dumbest fan base.

That was confirmed a long time ago.

 

[CATCH17]

If it was so irrelevant, why was that play called out by Wade Phillips in his post-game press conference? IIRC, he stated if that play didn't happen "we would have shut them down". It may not have shown on the scoreboard, but I believe Phillips had a reason for calling out that one play specifically.

A lot of people harped about it but the end result was the Steelers got nada.

The play made me angry at the time but it really wasn't a big deal.

Especially if you go back and look at it. It wasn't like Newman just got beat. It was more of an assignment failure.

Also. I guess if you really want to nit pick at Newman you're going to have to go back and think of single instances where something happened and they are few and far between.

Especially compared to other corners.

 

[Alexander]

A lot of people harped about it but the end result was the Steelers got nada.

The play made me angry at the time but it really wasn't a big deal.

Apparently is was to Phillips, who rarely calls anyone out specifically. Therefore, it isn't nearly as inconsequential as thought.

I guess if you really want to nit pick at Newman you're going to have to go back and think of single instances where something happened and they are few and far between.

Especially compared to other corners.

And that's true. To steal a line from Tony Romo, "if that's the worst thing that happens to Terrence Newman, he's had a pretty good life."

 

[CATCH17]

I saw two touchdowns given up and a long bomb. I am sure there is more, go watch it yourself.

Steelers game, well i guess you don’t put any value into field position and giving a team confidence.

I like Newman, but he will get tested this season. He doesn’t have the luxury of having an old and slow Corner on the other side.

I like the jab with the quotations around the word “costed”. How’s the Roy Williams myth thread coming these days?

Hopefully teams are dumb enough not to test our youth and go after one of the better corners in the league.

We'll take that all day.

It's amazing how many teams over the years just stopped throwing to their elite receiver when they play Dallas just because we have Anthony Henry. /sarcasm

 

[TwentyOne]

Ok... other then 04 Newman has been outstanding

I have to disagree. Just the last few games last season he was a liability in coverage. Whenever there was a bigplay that gave the other team the oportunity to get back into the game TNEW gave it to them.

Just begin with the Pittsburgh game and you will start puking i guarantee.

If one player is made for this list it's TNEW. He never lived up to the standard of being a true shutdown corner. And that's what he was advertised when he came here. I give you one season, where he showed flashes of being one. Other then that he was a good one but never the one we all hoped he would be.

Last season i saw one game where he "came straight out ballin'". Other then that he was good but not special.

So overall TNEW is still a disapointment to me.


An for the rest of our players:

About Brookings i can't say anything.

Flozell to me is doing a good job so far. He never was proclaimed to be great LT nor did he play like one. So to me he is not overrated. He is just doing what everybody expects from him.

R.Williams had a few good years and then declined. As far as it comes to Pro Bowl apperances i think he is well overrated.

 

[TwentyOne]

You could very easily argue he doesn't make "big plays" bc teams DO fear him..

Sorry but that's just not true. When teams needed big plays last season they went after him. And especially after him the last few games of last season. They didn't went after Pacman nor did they go to Henry's side. They went to TNEW and they were successfull.

So especially in the last games teams showed no fear in challenging TNEW. But also the whol season i did not recognize any difference with teams approaching their passing game when it comes to our CBs.

The big play is something where TNEW always had problems throughout his career. He often doesn't look for the ball and he is often in bad position on fly routes because he bites on fakes much to hard. The latter he sometimes is able to make up with his good speed but the first one is still an issue he hasn't solved till now.

 

[burmafrd]

every post attacking Newman has come from someone with a personal axe to grind or stupid/ignorant poster. Adam and others have destroyed their so called agruements with facts and shown that SCOUTS and COACHES respect him tremendously.

As regards wade, well even the axe grinders admit he has said some very stupid things in press conferences (Proctor was our best lineman today).

 

[bbgun]

If it was so irrelevant, why was that play called out by Wade Phillips in his post-game press conference? IIRC, he stated if that play didn't happen "we would have shut them down". It may not have shown on the scoreboard, but I believe Phillips had a reason for calling out that one play specifically.

I don't remember that quote, but he probably meant that the play, while not leading to points, nevertheless put our struggling offense in bad field position. To which I say, "Too damn bad." Put a drive together for God's sake. It's not the D's job to set you up perfectly each and every time. This loss was 99% the fault of the offense and special teams.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

I didn't think so. You've never let the facts cloud your opinions.

Well, those that believe everything you say will believe everything you say. Those of us that think for ourselves will think for ourselves. Anything i say you will twist just like you do the stats you hold so dear to.

 

[Tovya]

Newman is a great corner cover--he's just been unhealthy, which hasn't helped his stock. He's just not flashy or a play maker like some of the other elite corners in the league.