ESPN: Goodell's Conduct Policy Has Some Gray Areas

[theogt]

who says you have to crow about it? who's crowing about anything? if my reasoning on why Tank got less games makes no sense, do better, that's all I ask, formulate your own hypothesis and let's hear it

Looks like you are upset that nothing you threw at the wall stuck.

You know, theogt...I would really like to see you make some kind of matrix, some kind of chart, some kind of "consistant" guideline...something, that will show just EXACTELY what punishment should be handed down for all the MANY, MANY, VARIOUS crimes or misdeeds that a player could get into!

If you and others have such a problem with the way this behavior is being handled, propose a solution?

What about rape? How much time?

What about DUI?

What about wife beating?

....

I'll be waiting...!

You know, there's something in between what you're suggesting and the "whatever I say goes" policy set up now. I'm not getting paid to figure it all out, but someone should be.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Looks like you are upset that nothing you threw at the wall stuck.

COP-OUT. I'm not upset at all, PacMan is suspended for a year and you're here crying, I'm good

but seriously, all I got is that Tank must have went into the meeting w/ a plan to get his life straight, to obey the player contract and acted genuinely contrite, admitting your mistakes and being willing to take what comes your way from it, goes a long way, I learned that at my DUI trial

 

[theogt]

COP-OUT.

I said I didn't know. How is that a cop out?

I'm not upset at all, PacMan is suspended for a year and you're here crying, I'm good

Who said I was upset about Pacman's punishment? I simply think Tank should have been punished more.

but seriously, all I got is that Tank must have went into the meeting w/ a plan to get his life straight, to obey the player contract and acted genuinely contrite, admitting your mistakes and being willing to take what comes your way from it, goes a long way, I learned that at my DUI trial

Message to "thugs": Do whatever you want and then just act really sorry.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I said I didn't know. How is that a cop out?

so you don't know, yet you know that my reasoning is wrong, hmm

Who said I was upset about Pacman's punishment? I simply think Tank should have been punished more.

and Tank probably should have

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Message to "thugs": Do whatever you want and then just act really sorry.

I guess I'm a thug then

 

[5Stars]

Looks like you are upset that nothing you threw at the wall stuck.

You know, there's something in between what you're suggesting and the "whatever I say goes" policy set up now. I'm not getting paid to figure it all out, but someone should be.

Who is that someone? Because I want to see this genious come up with something like that!

It cannot be done! It is up to the "descretion" of the man doling out the punishment, period! That is his job! Just like a parent does a child...

Make him a matrix...help him be "consistant"...!

So, if you are not getting paid to do it, yet, you and others are against "descretion"(am I spelling that right)? .... then tell us how it could be done? How would YOU do it?

 

[theogt]

so you don't know, yet you know that my reasoning is wrong, hmm

Huh? You said it was his only transgression. That was objectively wrong.

and Tank probably should have

Glad you agree with me. Our conversations usually end that way.

 

[theogt]

Who is that someone? Because I want to see this genious come up with something like that!

It cannot be done! It is up to the "descretion" of the man doling out the punishment, period! That is his job! Just like a parent does a child...

Make him a matrix...help him be "consistant"...!

So, if you are not getting paid to do it, yet, you and others are against "descretion"(am I spelling that right)? .... then tell us how it could be done? How would YOU do it?

What? Sure it can be done. Law firms are hired every day to handle problems that are much more complex. Just because you can't think of it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Huh? You said it was his only transgression. That was objectively wrong.

that was after you rejected my original idea, guess you missed "maybe"

Glad you agree with me. Our conversations usually end that way.

whatever that means

 

[theogt]

that was after you rejected my original idea, guess you missed "maybe"

The transgressions bit was the only premise you offered that I completely rejected. Please, do keep up with the conversation.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The transgressions bit was the only premise you offered that I completely rejected. Please, do keep up with the conversation.

really?

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano
I actually think it's a combination of contriteness on his part, and the fact that he paid his debt to society already

But what about his debt to the league? The league's image was tarnished and now it looks like it goes light on ex-convicts. That makes no sense.

it seems you're the one who can't follow along

 

[theogt]

that was in reply to saying that his 8 games could have been a combination of contriteness and paying his debt to society

don't lie kid

Your point? I asked a question, because it didn't make sense to me. You immediately abandoned that thread of the conversation. I didn't completely reject it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Your point? I asked a question, because it didn't make sense to me.

wow

 

[theogt]

wow

Is your head spinning? Try reading things twice.

 

[5Stars]

What? Sure it can be done. Law firms are hired every day to handle problems that are much more complex. Just because you can't think of it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

Did I just ask you to leave the freaking law out of this?!! This is not a matter of the courts!!!! What part of that do you not understand?

I specifically said that anything "outside" the court of law! I asked you how YOU would handle bad behavior on a "consistant level" regarding the thousands of ways a player can harm the reputation of the NFL.

Do I need a lawyer to dicipline my children if they get into trouble? If I need to punish my kids for bad behavior, should I call a lawyer first? I mean, they have not been convicted in a court of a law?

Leave the "lawyer", the "court", the "justice system" crap out of this. How can players recieve punishment on a consistant basis...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Is your head spinning? Try reading things twice.

from watching your spin cycle, yes

you just said the transgression bit I offered was the only idea you rejected, which is clearly wrong if you've been following along, you rejected the premise of contriteness on Tank's part and paying his debt to society because you didn't understand it as well, I don't know how that is hard to understand, but there it is

but this topic is beat anyways, we both think Goodell has been inconsistent in handing out his punishments, why I get into ******** arguments w/ people, I don't know

 

[theogt]

Did I just ask you to leave the freaking law out of this?!! This is not a matter of the courts!!!! What part of that do you not understand?

I specifically said that anything "outside" the court of law!

What are you talking about? Who said anything about the courts?

I asked you how YOU would handle bad behavior on a "consistant level" regarding the thousands of ways a player can harm the reputation of the NFL.

And I told you I'm not getting paid to do it. It would be a significant undertaking and I don't have the time or desire to do it.

Do I need a lawyer to dicipline my children if they get into trouble? If I need to punish my kids for bad behavior, should I call a lawyer first? I mean, they have not been convicted in a court of a law?

No, but if you're an employer and decide to start punishing them in ways that cost parties millions of dollars (the players aren't the only ones losing out), then I'd suggest getting a lawyer to help you out.

Leave the "lawyer", the "court", the "justice system" crap out of this. How can players recieve punishment on a consistant basis...

Who on earth said anything about the court system or the law?

 

[theogt]

from watching your spin cycle, yes

you just said the transgression bit I offered was the only idea you rejected, which is clearly wrong if you've been following along, you rejected the premise of contriteness on Tank's part and paying his debt to society because you didn't understand it as well, I don't know how that is hard to understand, but there it is

but this topic is beat anyways, we both think Goodell has been inconsistent in handing out his punishments, why I get into ******** arguments w/ people, I don't know

I said it was the only bit I completely rejected. The other part I simply didn't understand. Still don't. I haven't rejected it, though. Seriously, if you're going to participate in conversations with others, learn to use words and language correctly. Otherwise we get in these roundabouts going nowhere.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I said it was the only bit I completely rejected. The other part I simply didn't understand. Still don't. I haven't rejected it, though. Seriously, if you're going to participate in conversations with others, learn to use words and language correctly. Otherwise we get in these roundabouts going nowhere.

what of my language use was incorrect?

idk about you, but when I say something doesn't makes sense, I'm disregarding it, but when I truly don't understand it, I say, "I don't know what you're talking about", or "it didn't make sense to me"

but you're arguing w/ burm's contrite argument, so I think you do know what I'm talking about

 

[theogt]

what of my language use was incorrect?

idk about you, but when I say something doesn't makes sense, I'm disregarding it, but when I truly don't understand it, I say, "I don't know what you're talking about", or "it didn't make sense to me"

Is that not exactly what I said, but in fewer words?