ESPN: How Washington approaches free agency is anyone's guess

[apickmans]

Yes, but the problem is that while the Commanders couldn't afford Dockery, they couldn't really compete with Dallas to afford Davis either.

And I think this is where the Skins salary cap problems show.

If two teams are interested in the same player in FA, it's going to be more difficult for the Skins to be as competitive for a big name player.

Using C Johnson or whoever as an example, if the Giants, for example, wanted him as much as the Commanders, it would be very difficult for the Commanders to compete without hurting their roster down the line.

This is another topic that was discussed to no end last year. IMO I dont think Davis ever intended on signing with the Commanders. He always wanted to go home to Texas. I'm thinking he just used us to get a better deal with you guys. Thats all. Do I think the Skins were interested in signing Davis? Sure, it was gonna fill a need, but deep inside im sure they knew he was going to sign with Dallas all along. As for CJ....hes not a FA, but I know what youre saying. 2 more weeks and Im sure there will be a thousand more threads brought up about "idiotic" our signings are.

 

[Woods]

This is another topic that was discussed to no end last year. IMO I dont think Davis ever intended on signing with the Commanders. He always wanted to go home to Texas. I'm thinking he just used us to get a better deal with you guys. Thats all. Do I think the Skins were interested in signing Davis? Sure, it was gonna fill a need, but deep inside im sure they knew he was going to sign with Dallas all along. As for CJ....hes not a FA, but I know what youre saying. 2 more weeks and Im sure there will be a thousand more threads brought up about "idiotic" our signings are.

No, I'm saying whether the signings are idiotic or not, that's a topic for a different thread.

I'm just saying if one team is well under the salary cap and if one team is well over the cap, and if both teams have genuine interest in a player, the team that is well under the cap is going to have a lot more flexiblity in signing the "name" player WITHOUT compromising their roster as much down the line.

I was just using a player like C Johnson as an example. But whether it's him or Moss, or A Samuel . . . . you know what I mean - any name player who generates interest.

 

[apickmans]

No, I'm saying whether the signings are idiotic or not, that's a topic for a different thread.

I'm just saying if one team is well under the salary cap and if one team is well over the cap, and if both teams have genuine interest in a player, the team that is well under the cap is going to have a lot more flexiblity in signing the "name" player WITHOUT compromising their roster as much down the line.

I was just using a player like C Johnson as an example. But whether it's him or Moss, or A Samuel . . . . you know what I mean - any name player who generates interest.

Sure they might have more flexibility, but their owners might also be very cheap, something which Snyder is not. I know what youre saying though, and I'm down as not wanting CJ because I think Snyder will give up too much for him. We'll see how big of a player in FA we really are once we restructure some more players. Last offseason was relatively quiet for us and I liked the signings.

 

[Woods]

Sure they might have more flexibility, but their owners might also be very cheap, something which Snyder is not. I know what youre saying though, and I'm down as not wanting CJ because I think Snyder will give up too much for him. We'll see how big of a player in FA we really are once we restructure some more players. Last offseason was relatively quiet for us and I liked the signings.

Yes, let's see how it works out.

It's only another 2 weeks or so until it begins!

 

[Skinsmaniac]

the team that is well under the cap is going to have a lot more flexiblity in signing the "name" player WITHOUT compromising their roster as much down the line.

This isn't true if the salary cap continues to rise. Essentially the Commanders are using the 2009 cap in 2008, while other teams that pay large salaries and small bonuses are stuck with the 2008 cap number. Since the 2009 cap will probably be 10% bigger than this year's cap, the Commanders are able to get more money into their players hands AND get it there earlier which allows the players to invest it. So having a lot of cap space now does not necessarily give a team an advantage over the Commanders if that team wants to pay the player in salary not signing bonus.

The risk with the Commanders approach is that the cap will not continue to go up. That would be Armageddon.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Archuleta, now with Chicago, Oakland's Michael Huff and San Francisco's Michael Lewis were the highest-paid safeties. Their teams were a combined 16-32 last season.

it makes you wonder if it's worth it to re-up Hamlin to the big-money deal he's worth, since we already re-upped Roy Williams to one

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Sure they might have more flexibility, but their owners might also be very cheap, something which Snyder is not. I know what youre saying though, and I'm down as not wanting CJ because I think Snyder will give up too much for him. We'll see how big of a player in FA we really are once we restructure some more players. Last offseason was relatively quiet for us and I liked the signings.

what are you arguing here?

really?

that what you guys are doing w/ the cap is making sense?

 

[apickmans]

what are you arguing here?

really?

that what you guys are doing w/ the cap is making sense?

No need to put words in my mouth. Just stating that we are not in in bad of shape as some of you think we are/will be.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No need to put words in my mouth. Just stating that we are not in in bad of shape as some of you think we are/will be.

20 mil over the cap

yeah, not in bad shape

 

[apickmans]

20 mil over the cap

yeah, not in bad shape

20 mil over the cap?? you need to get your facts straight. Expect better from you BOB.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

20 mil over the cap?? you need to get your facts straight. Expect better from you BOB.

aren't you guys set to be 23 mil over the cap?

 

[skinfan2k]

aren't you guys set to be 23 mil over the cap?

right now we are only $7 over and we are expected to be 10-15 million under. Read how we do the cap and youll understand. Dan knows how to use the cap effectively. His personnel decisions may not be right but the cap is one thing dan knows how to use

 

[Bob Sacamano]

right now we are only $7 over and we are expected to be 10-15 million under. Read how we do the cap and youll understand. Dan knows how to use the cap effectively. His personnel decisions may not be right but the cap is one thing dan knows how to use

where did the 23 mil thing come from, then?

 

[skinfan2k]

where did the 23 mil thing come from, then?

we were $23 over. Now we are $7 over

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7796664/'Skins-rework-Cooley-deal-to-save-cap-space

FOXSports.com has learned Washington converted an $11 million roster bonus Cooley was scheduled to receive into guaranteed money. The move is believed to have lowered Cooley's 2008 cap number from a team-high $12.2 million to $4.4 million.
Other highly-paid Commanders are expected to accept restructured contracts as Washington works to get under the 2008 projected salary cap of $116 million by February 28. Reserve quarterback Mark Brunell ($6.5 million cap number) also is likely to get released.
The Commanders are currently $7 million over the cap, but that figure doesn't include calculations on contract clauses from 2007 like incentives that are still being finalized.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

we were $23 over. Now we are $7 over

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7796664/'Skins-rework-Cooley-deal-to-save-cap-space

FOXSports.com has learned Washington converted an $11 million roster bonus Cooley was scheduled to receive into guaranteed money. The move is believed to have lowered Cooley's 2008 cap number from a team-high $12.2 million to $4.4 million.
Other highly-paid Commanders are expected to accept restructured contracts as Washington works to get under the 2008 projected salary cap of $116 million by February 28. Reserve quarterback Mark Brunell ($6.5 million cap number) also is likely to get released.
The Commanders are currently $7 million over the cap, but that figure doesn't include calculations on contract clauses from 2007 like incentives that are still being finalized.

ah, I missed that then

thanks

 

[skinfan2k]

ah, I missed that then

thanks

We had plenty of money to sign Dockery. We simply thought that we weren't gonna pay our 5th best OL the 2nd most money. Samuels #1. Rabach, Thomas and Jansen get paid. We thought we had something with Todd wade at LG unless we got davis or dockery for near $25 which we offered in mid season.

We signed alot of guys last offseason like London Fletcher, Fred Smoot.

 

[BigDFan5]

No he isn't. He is not one of the FA listed for the Commanders.

http://was.scout.com/a.z?s=71&p=9&c=12&yr=2008&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&cti=w

Yes he is a FA, and I dont need a list to tell me that.

He restructured his deal last February (2007)


The restructure turned his salary into bonus and made the last 3 years of the deal void based on snaps taken

He took 0 snaps, the deal voided hence he is a FA

 

[Bob Sacamano]

BigD breaking out the stats/period

 

[BigDFan5]

BigD breaking out the stats/period

Watch out I will show you a link that says you are wrong

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Watch out I will show you a link that says you are wrong

oh, I believe you