ESPN: How Washington approaches free agency is anyone's guess

[BigDFan5]

some links to help you firehawk


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/28/AR2007022801940.html

Brunell lost his starting position to Jason Campbell last season, but had hoped to stay here. His new contract makes his existing deal obsolete and will make Brunell a free agent following the 2007 season, according to league sources (the new contract technically is for four years, but the final three years will void automatically).

Skins site official enough?

http://www.Commanders.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=33976

Mark Brunell, QB
After three seasons as a starter, Brunell took a back seat last year. He was a backup to Jason Campbell and Todd Collins. The 37-year-old QB did not see any game action and he could be considering retirement.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Which renders your conclusions invalid... IOW, it's highly unlikely that the Skins will be able to clear the cap room you projected... which means, of course, even less room to pursue free agents from other teams, without more draconian cuts...

No, it means that you have no idea how the cap works. The Commanders chose not to pay Cooley purely in signing bonus plus vet min to mitigate the risk that he gets injured or his production falls off. There is absolutely nothing stopping the Commanders from getting 20 million under the cap.

Edit: re-reading your post, I guess we do agree that the Skins won't be big players in free agency, but they won't have any trouble re-signing players that they want to or making a couple of FA deals.

 

[5Stars]

No, it means that you have no idea how the cap works. The Commanders chose not to pay Cooley purely in signing bonus plus vet min to mitigate the risk that he gets injured or his production falls off. There is absolutely nothing stopping the Commanders from getting 20 million under the cap.

Edit: re-reading your post, I guess we do agree that the Skins won't be big players in free agency, but they won't have any trouble re-signing players that they want to or making a couple of FA deals.

From the article:

They cleared about $9 million in cap space this week by adjusting tight end Chris Cooley's contract, converting an $11 million roster bonus to signing bonus.


Do you even know what you are talking about? Sheesh! You don't even know your own team and you come here telling everyone they don't know what is what?

Commander logic...

 

[Skinsmaniac]

From the article:

They cleared about $9 million in cap space this week by adjusting tight end Chris Cooley's contract, converting an $11 million roster bonus to signing bonus.


Do you even know what you are talking about? Sheesh! You don't even know your own team and you come here telling everyone they don't know what is what?

Commander logic...

No, you have no idea what you're talking about. Can you find me what his base salary is? Is it the vet minimum? If not, then the Commanders chose not to reduce his cap number as far as possible, so be quiet when the adults are talking.

Edit: I don't believe the details of his contract have been released yet.

 

[5Stars]

No, you have no idea what you're talking about. Can you find me what his base salary is? Is it the vet minimum? If not, then the Commanders chose not to reduce his cap number as far as possible, so be quiet when the adults are talking.

Look, Mr. Adult! Read the freaking article, OK! It says "signing bonus"...

Not get lost...this board is for kids only.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It's tiresome to have to repeat over and over how the Commanders manage the cap, how it differs from other teams, and how any economist worth his salt would do what the Commanders do.

:abuseme:

Abso-freaking-loutely unbelieveable.

BTW, I just heard Zorn on The Huddle, and he sounded very in over his head. I never saw his press conference, so this was my first time to hear him.

LOL @ the entire Skins organization.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Not get lost...this board is for kids only.

Sorry, I got a little testy.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Abso-freaking-loutely unbelieveable.

BTW, I just heard Zorn on The Huddle, and he sounded very in over his head. I never saw his press conference, so this was my first time to hear him.

LOL @ the entire Skins organization.

I define "managing the cap" as putting the most money into players pockets for the purposes of convincing them to come/stay in Washington. The Commanders do this better than any other team. However, they don't put that money into the right players' pockets.

Zorn's press conference was bad. Really bad.

 

[5Stars]

Sorry, I got a little testy.

I don't care what you got! You said "no signing bonus", I showed you where the article said "converted to signing bonus"!

You should be "testy" with that god awful FO of your team...

 

[Skinsmaniac]

I don't care what you got! You said "no signing bonus", I showed you where the article said "converted to signing bonus"!

You should be "testy" with that god awful FO of your team...

You misunderstood what I said. What I said was that the Commanders did not pay Cooley (signing bonus plus vet min) but instead paid him in some combination of (signing bonus plus substantial base salary.) For example, they could choose to pay him a 10 million signing bonus and a 1million salary, or a 9million bonus and 2million salary. Under the first salary option, his cap hit this year would be less than the second option. I am saying that the Commanders did not chose to pay him "purely in signing bonus plus vet min" (the first option) but instead paid him a substantial salary. They therefore chose not to create as much cap room as possible. They did this because paying someone purely in signing bonus plus vet min is risky if he gets hurt or his production falls off.

 

[5Stars]

You misunderstood what I said. What I said was that the Commanders did not pay Cooley "signing bonus plus vet min" but instead paid him in some combination of "signing bonus plus substantial base salary." For example, they could choose to pay him a 10 million signing bonus and a 1million salary, or a 9million bonus and 2million salary. Under the first salary option, his cap hit this year would be less than the second option. I am saying that the Commanders did not chose to pay him "purely in signing bonus plus vet min" (the first option) but instead paid him a substantial salary. They therefore chose not to create as much cap room as possible. They did this because paying someone purely in signing bonus plus vet min is risky if he gets hurt or his production falls off.

Right!


:flipflop:


Get lost and let us kids have some fun!

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Right!


:flipflop:


Get lost and let us kids have some fun!

You kids need to have a little less fun and maybe open a math book.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I define "managing the cap" as putting the most money into players pockets for the purposes of convincing them to come/stay in Washington. The Commanders do this better than any other team. However, they don't put that money into the right players' pockets.

Zorn's press conference was bad. Really bad.

you define it to fit what you're team does, that's what you really do

managing the cap means that you have the money to re-sign most of your free agents, and still have money to make 1 or 2 big signings from time to time, meaning every year you have at least 10 mil heading into the offseason

look at what Dallas does, they're re-signing all of their core players, keeping the nucleus in place, and are making big signings every year, that's what managing the cap is, it is not having to play around w/ it so that you can keep your head above water

you guys think you could pay out 1.1 mil bonues to 2 players, like we have done these past 2 years w/ Terry Glenn and TO last year, and TO and FLozell this year, w/o re-structuring other contracts? not likely

having cap flexibility is manageing the cap, not this desperate crap you guys pull off because that's what you have to do

 

[Skinsmaniac]

you define it to fit what you're team does, that's what you really do

managing the cap means that you have the money to re-sign most of your free agents, and still have money to make 1 or 2 big signings from time to time, meaning every year you have at least 10 mil heading into the offseason

look at what Dallas does, they're re-signing all of their core players, keeping the nucleus in place, and are making big signings every year, that's what managing the cap is, it is not having to play around w/ it so that you can keep your head above water

you guys think you could pay out 1.1 mil bonues to 2 players, like we have done these past 2 years w/ Terry Glenn and TO last year, and TO and FLozell this year, w/o re-structuring other contracts? not likely

having cap flexibility is manageing the cap, not this desperate crap you guys pull off because that's what you have to do

I'm glad you prefer to have a smaller cap than the Commanders. This gives us a competitive advantage.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm glad you prefer to have a smaller cap than the Commanders. This gives us a competitive advantage.

not when you have alot more work to do to fix your team

 

[5Stars]

I'm glad you prefer to have a smaller cap than the Commanders. This gives us a competitive advantage.

(here come the two playoff games)


It must really suck to be a Commander fan! Snyder has them so freaking confused....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

(here come the two playoff games)


It must really suck to be a Commander fan! Snyder has them so freaking confused....

lol, let's see, 13-3 and one of the most talented and youngest rosters in the league, w/ a great cap situation, and 2 1st round picks

or...9-7?

hmm, who has the competitive advantage? I wonder

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Glad to see you guys don't even understand the term "competitive advantage." It doesn't mean we WILL be better, only that how we use the salary cap gives us an advantage. It all comes back to choosing the players to spend the money on, which we haven't done well at. Your front office gives you a "competitive advantage", at least it did before Jones decided to be the man again.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Glad to see you guys don't even understand the term "competitive advantage." It doesn't mean we WILL be better, only that how we use the salary cap gives us an advantage. It all comes back to choosing the players to spend the money on, which we haven't done well at. Your front office gives you a "competitive advantage", at least it did before Jones decided to be the man again.

we do understand what competitive advantage is, it's what allows you to compete better than other teams

what you don't get, is having a slightly larger cap situation, right now, it won't always be like that mind you, you're up for another cap wizardry in the next couple of years, is just one facet of competitive advantage, we have more competitive advantages over you guys, such as a better, youthful roster, and right now 2, 1st round picks to get even younger, and better

our future is looking up while you still look like an average team, and probably will remain so until you can get flexible w/ the cap

and Jones being the man signed 2 Pro Bowlers and 2 players in the top 3 or 5 of their positions in Ken Hamlin and Leonard Davis, and was the driving force behind us getting another one, one Terrell Owens

 

[5Stars]

Glad to see you guys don't even understand the term "competitive advantage." It doesn't mean we WILL be better, only that how we use the salary cap gives us an advantage. It all comes back to choosing the players to spend the money on, which we haven't done well at. Your front office gives you a "competitive advantage", at least it did before Jones decided to be the man again.

Check this out, Bob!