ESPN (Mort) Dez may skip opener with no deal ***MegaMerge***

[BoysFan4ever]

Since an pro athlete's playing days are somewhat limited in terms of years I cannot fathom anyone willing to lose millions of dollars.

 

[xwalker]

Another way of looking at it: is Bryant so obsessed with breaking the bank as a testament to himself (and all the little birdies he listens to) that he's willing to alienate his teammates and potentially cost them games? Players will avoid talking about each other's "business" but I can't imagine that a large percentage of Cowboys are not wondering why a gigantic contract isn't gigantic enough for Bryant. More money for him means less money for everyone else...

I don't think he even understands how the rules work at this point and how holding out would be of zero benefit. Once the July 15th deadline to negotiate a new contract has passed, somebody will explain it to him.

People need to remember, that some players have the mentality of a 12 year old, not and adult.

 

[Rogah]

I don't think he even understands how the rules work at this point and how holding out would be of zero benefit. Once the July 15th deadline to negotiate a new contract has passed, somebody will explain it to him.

I think that's why he is getting his threats out in the media right now. They have about a month to go to negotiate a new deal. He has zero real leverage, so he is doing the best he can by threatening a hold out.

 

[Rockport]

They should be pushing him to play not hold out. If they are all that, then he should be able to make so much in marketing that his contract should not be that big of an issue.

They know he's going to eventually sign. This is they're way of getting more publicity which helps in marketing him.

 

[AsthmaField]

I have been staying out of all this pretty much... but to me, it seems like a bad idea to play hardball with a guy because you know he loves the game and his team so much that you don't think he will skip any time.

Just find a middle ground and make a deal. Of course unreasonable demands would change that but we don't know if Dez has those or not.

 

[xwalker]

They know he's going to eventually sign. This is they're way of getting more publicity which helps in marketing him.

It is highly likely that a top agent like Condon told them to stay out of the contract negotiation side of things when he agreed to be a co-representative.

 

[xwalker]

I have been staying out of all this pretty much... but to me, it seems like a bad idea to play hardball with a guy because you know he loves the game and his team so much that you don't think he will skip any time.

Just find a middle ground and make a deal. Of course unreasonable demands would change that but we don't know if Dez has those or not.

Many of the local media here in DFW think they offered him about 12M per year. A contract averaging 12.1M per year would make him the 2nd highest paid WR in the NFL. Those same media believe that he wants 16M per year or more. If the franchise him for 2 years, he that would average out to 14M per year.

I don't think the problem is the team.

 

[AsthmaField]

Many of the local media here in DFW think they offered him about 12M per year. A contract averaging 12.1M per year would make him the 2nd highest paid WR in the NFL. Those same media believe that he wants 16M per year or more. If the franchise him for 2 years, he that would average out to 14M per year.

I don't think the problem is the team.

You may be right... like I said, I've been kind of staying out of this one. Still, if they're thinking they don't have to negotiate with him because he loves the team and playing football so much, then that seems like the wrong direction to take. One of the things that makes him so great is that love of football along his loyalty to team mates.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Overpaying them is what Jerry would have done in the past. If you didn't notice, Jerry's method didn't work out too well.

What we're seeing the past couple of years is the Stephen Jones method, that so far the results have been very good.

 

[xwalker]

You may be right... like I said, I've been kind of staying out of this one. Still, if they're thinking they don't have to negotiate with him because he loves the team and playing football so much, then that seems like the wrong direction to take. One of the things that makes him so great is that love of football along his loyalty to team mates.

I don't think his love of playing has anything to do with it other than they use that to settle the fans down.

They are using the Franchise Tag as it was intended to be used and would do it the same way for any player in this situation regardless of the players love or playing or whatever.

A Franchised player has zero bargaining power after July 15th. This is true regardless of how much the player loves playing or doesn't. Holding out after July 15th would be detrimental to the player and would have zero possible benefit.

It is highly likely that they would make him the 2nd highest paid WR in the league if he would sign a reasonable contract.

 

[AsthmaField]

The team has mentioned several times that it doesn't surprise them that Dez has been around the facility because of his love of the game and his love of his team mates. That doesn't mean they're using it against him, I agree. However, IMO they're well aware of it and I simply wonder if the team isn't banking a little too much on that to help bring him in.

I wasn't really speculating that the team is doing that... just saying that I hope they aren't because that is a trait that you would wish every player had and is one of Dez's biggest strengths.

 

[Rockport]

It is highly likely that a top agent like Condon told them to stay out of the contract negotiation side of things when he agreed to be a co-representative.

He can tell them but they don't have to listen.

 

[xwalker]

He can tell them but they don't have to listen.

He is a lawyer. It would have been in a contract. There is no doubt that a top agent like Condon would have had a long detailed contract before he entered into a deal to represent a player when another agency was involved in representing him also. The boundaries would be strictly defined.

 

[DandyDon52]

"League executives have suggested to Rapoport that Thomas deserves to be paid on par with Calvin Johnson, who signed an eight-year, $130 million contract in 2012.

We believe Johnson is in a class of his own, but Thomas' stats aren't far off over the past three years. It's understandable that Thomas would expect the salary structure to rise after the recent cap increases.

Thomas' situation takes on even more importance because he will set a new wide-receiver market for Julio Jones, A.J. Green and Dez Bryant if he signs by mid-July."

So it seems no team wants to be first to sign their wr and set the new market value, they are hoping one of the others sign for low amount?
Then there is the amount guaranteed.
The longer the deal, the more G money they would get.

the detroit deal with johnson was stupid, and has not helped them, and it raised wr salary too high.
Once they get paid they rarely do great, they are just good , they just want to do their time and not get hurt, and collect the 100+ million dollars.

 

[DandyDon52]

Dez wants the 130 mil not the 12 mil, and he wants to have his cake and eat it too.
He wants the 130 mil , no telling how much Guaranteed, and to play for cowboys, and no babysitting clauses in contract.

Last year a deal was done before the season, and dez did not like the babysitting clauses in contract, so he did not sign.
That led to losing murray who could have been franchised, and the current situation.
All over the off field clauses that were there to protect cowboys if he got into trouble, and maybe some monitoring was still involved , like being driven to meetings and practice.
So the money was there last year but dez turned it down over off field issues.
He is not the angel or loyal player people may think he is and he may indeed sit out some games, he wants it all or he wont play.
From what I heard he can miss many games and still get paid, he just has to play a certain # of games and he gets paid for whole season.

 

[slick325]

I can't see Dez missing a game check of over 700k. I can however see him showing his disappointment post July 15th should no long term deal be signed, by skipping training camp completely and not signing the franchise tender until just before game one.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't think he even understands how the rules work at this point and how holding out would be of zero benefit. Once the July 15th deadline to negotiate a new contract has passed, somebody will explain it to him.

People need to remember, that some players have the mentality of a 12 year old, not and adult.

When it comes to Dez, I think it's a few years younger than 12.

 

[CF74]

Call his bluff and suspend him for 2 weeks after week 1.

Just lost $2.5M, care to skip out on any more games?

So your solution is to shoot yourself in the foot to spite your face, it works both ways I suppose...

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Dez wants the 130 mil not the 12 mil, and he wants to have his cake and eat it too.
He wants the 130 mil , no telling how much Guaranteed, and to play for cowboys, and no babysitting clauses in contract.

Last year a deal was done before the season, and dez did not like the babysitting clauses in contract, so he did not sign.
That led to losing murray who could have been franchised, and the current situation.
All over the off field clauses that were there to protect cowboys if he got into trouble, and maybe some monitoring was still involved , like being driven to meetings and practice.
So the money was there last year but dez turned it down over off field issues.
He is not the angel or loyal player people may think he is and he may indeed sit out some games, he wants it all or he wont play.
From what I heard he can miss many games and still get paid, he just has to play a certain # of games and he gets paid for whole season.

Doubtful they would have franchised Murray.

Not at $9 mil for the season.

 

[Rockport]

He is a lawyer. It would have been in a contract. There is no doubt that a top agent like Condon would have had a long detailed contract before he entered into a deal to represent a player when another agency was involved in representing him also. The boundaries would be strictly defined.

I don't think so. It's in both their interests.