ESPN Radio reporting that Reggie McNeal made a 41 on his Wonderlic....

[AbeBeta]

Vince Young's score of 6 was reported this morning on NFL radio on Sirius. The commentator said it was confirmed by an "extremely reliable source" but that the score was "being looked into."

a couple of other sources said he got to retake the test -- and scored a 16 on it. and the re-take was administed by executive director of the combine.

it seems funny that retaking the test was an option. if his test was scored wrong then they could have simply re-scored the thing.

letting a guy take the same test again a day or two later should raise his score for a variety of reasons a) he's seen the items, b) if he hadn't seen a Wonderlic before, he's now familiar with the structure (if this is true he needs to fire his agent), and c) a statistical issue called regression to the mean (i.e. below average results will tend to move up by chance). If you don't believe that re-testing has an impact see http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Insider/2005/Wonderlic.htm - these are Jr and Sr year scores -- as you can see the vast majority of players have their scores go up from the first to the 2nd test.

How should this result be interpreted? Young's "true" score on the Wonderlic likely falls somewhere between 6 and 16. The 6 was likely low due to prep issues and unfamiliarity with the test. The 16 was likely high due to retesting effects.

 

[kartr]

4th. yeah, phenom athlete but won't amount to much as an NFL QB. The last game I saw him play, he wasn't even the best QB on his own team.
He'll spend at least a year in NFLE if some team and he insist that he play QB. Not consistent enough.

How typical of you. Making a qb with a 41 Wonderlic score a WR, just cause he's fast too. That other qb on his team made more plays with his legs than his arm for crissakes.

 

[kartr]

hey thats great...maybe he can have a career as a lawyer or an engineer, because it sure isnt going to be as a starting NFL QB

David

How would you know that? Jake Delhomme is a starting NFL qb and doesn't have near the tools that McNeal has.

 

[kartr]

If Quincy Carter can take a NFL team to the playoffs, McNeal sure as Hell can....

Carter took his team to bowl games 3 times and two NFL teams to the playoffs. That's a dumb comparison.

 

[theogt]

a couple of other sources said he got to retake the test -- and scored a 16 on it. and the re-take was administed by executive director of the combine.

it seems funny that retaking the test was an option. if his test was scored wrong then they could have simply re-scored the thing.

letting a guy take the same test again a day or two later should raise his score for a variety of reasons a) he's seen the items, b) if he hadn't seen a Wonderlic before, he's now familiar with the structure (if this is true he needs to fire his agent), and c) a statistical issue called regression to the mean (i.e. below average results will tend to move up by chance). If you don't believe that re-testing has an impact see http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Insider/2005/Wonderlic.htm - these are Jr and Sr year scores -- as you can see the vast majority of players have their scores go up from the first to the 2nd test.

How should this result be interpreted? Young's "true" score on the Wonderlic likely falls somewhere between 6 and 16. The 6 was likely low due to prep issues and unfamiliarity with the test. The 16 was likely high due to retesting effects.

I wonder if we'll ever get undisputed confirmation of his score. Seems doubtful. I'm sure the people that matter know (i.e., scouts).

 

[kartr]

The 6 score is bs. The guy who leaked it has already been forced to apologize and was then fired. I've heard VY's score is still somewhat low, but still higher than Marino, McNair, O'Donnell, etc.

Marino's score couldn't have been low, he's pocket qb.:laugh2:

 

[kartr]

Some people have what it takes to get the job done. They don't have the Wonderlic scores, or the proper speech, or the proper look, or the proper music, or the best throwing motion, or the best draft pick status (Brady) or the best receivers, or the best line, or the best running ability or whatever.

But somehow, they find a way to win. And us Americans don't like things we can't see on paper.. The stat proof. We can't understand how some people managed to get it done, but they do.

I don't know how Quincy Carter made it to the playoffs, with that horrible line, and "what do voluntary mean Hambrick" as a running back, and receivers constantly dropping passes (Galloway/Bryant) but he managed to get it done.

I hope that Bledsoe somehow finds a way to get it done, and I don't care how. I don't care if he throws for 50 interceptions, if he can manage to tip toe us into the playoffs, and somehow managed to get us in the SuperBowl and win it, that's all I care about. And that's all any of us should care about, and not someones stupid "Man Made" test. Is their something that can test the heart of a man? Something that can test the poise (Manning Choking/Brady not) the poise of a man. Something to test the leadership that allows other players to get on board with the QB, and get his team the victory?
Until they come out with those tests, I don't give a monkey's *** about those tests.

What good is it to have all the smarts in the world and all the talent in the world, and you can't take home a trophy at the end of the day.
Aikman did not have all of those glamorous passing yards and all the things we brag on QB's for, and all of the great touchdown passes, but at the end of the day, he has what everyone in history that played this game wants. A Super Bowl Trophy.

Great Post! But be careful, some posters here don't like logic.

 

[trickblue]

Carter took his team to bowl games 3 times and two NFL teams to the playoffs. That's a dumb comparison.

Took two NFL teams to the playoffs?

 

[AbeBeta]

Marino's score couldn't have been low, he's pocket qb.

But Marino's score was before the Wonderlic became such an important evaluation tool -- guys would come in without any sort of prep then. Now guys actually prepare for the test -- so overall scores should be better.

I imagine if Marino got to take the test a 2nd time that same weekend he would have improved his score considerably as well.

 

[kartr]

Reggie McNeal QB/WR Texas A&M​

Strengths
Reggie has one of the strongest arms in this draft. He is an excellent athlete and shows some leadership skills. He moves well in the pocket and out of the pocket and can make the big play in the blink of an eye. When Reggie gets into a zone, he is a pleasure to watch play the game of football and can be one of the most exciting players on the field.

Needs to Improve
Reggie is an extremely erratic football player. He lacks consistency in every facet of his game. He is very fast and has good hands. In fact, he should be moved now –- this minute -- before I finish this profile to the WR position.

Bottom Line
When you watch this kid play, he sends chills down your spin one minute and gives you a great big headache the next. The first time I saw him, I just watched him and drooled at his potential to be a QB at the next level. The more I watched him play, the more I realized he has to be moved as quickly as possible to the WR position. He is way too erratic at the college level and that means there is no way he will be successful at the NFL level. The QB position is too much for him to handle mentally. He must be moved right away because with his athletic talent, he should be an outstanding WR. He will take some time, but he looks like he has the work ethic to do it. Reggie will impact at the next level faster as a WR and that’s a fact. Now, before you A & M fans get all over me about how great Reggie is and how I must be as blind as a bat if I can’t see how great he is, remember it’s about the next level. It is not how good Reggie is at the college level. If Reggie stays a QB, you'll never hear about him again. If he is moved to the WR position, you'll be seeing him in the Pro Bowl. It is as simple as that.

- Drew Boylhart (thehuddlereport.com)

Drew Boylhart is a pretty good judge of talent,except when it comes to the qb position and he hates VY as a qb and hates the whole U.T. program. He also says that Phillip Rivers would make a better TE than QB. He says that Rivers is identical in skill set to Matt Jones,just without the speed.

 

[trickblue]

Drew Boylhart is a pretty good judge of talent,except when it comes to the qb position and he hates VY as a qb and hates the whole U.T. program. He also says that Phillip Rivers would make a better TE than QB. He says that Rivers is identical in skill set to Matt Jones,just without the speed.

I disagree with him on Rivers... I think he will be a fantastic QB...

I agree on McNeal and his talent... I've been watching him play since HS and I think he has a career in this league... at QB... not at WR... but he can do pretty much anything on the field...

 

[kartr]

Plain and simply, you are wrong. There is no other way to put it. Bishop ran a 4.7, had less accuracy than even Vince Young does, and the longest throw he made his entire career was a 54 yard Hail Mary in the 1998 Big 12 title game. The man had a hard time throwing the ball 50 yards in the air.

I agree on Bishops' accuracy, but he had a gun for an arm. In fact in one game in New England, when the situation called for a 'hail Mary' pass, they said that they let Bishop throw it because he had a much stronger arm than Bledsoe. Which reminds me, where did all this talk about Bledsoe having such a strong arm come from, cause I sure haven't seen it. He does have decent arm strength, but not in terms of distance.

 

[kartr]

hey quincy carter got a 30 so we can't put THAT much value into this thing

Well, people seem to think Henson's high Wonderlic score counts for something.

 

[BigDFan5]

Took two NFL teams to the playoffs?

oh you didn't lnow? Jets would have never made the playoffs without those 3 games Carter played in 2004

and evidently going to such bowls as the oahu bowl, and outback bowl are considered good lmao

 

[kartr]

I guess we'll see

but Carter was a better college player at QB than McNeal ever was and ran a fairly advanced passing offense...McNeal was nowhere near the passing QB Carter was, especially Carter's first two yrs at UGA

David

Shall wonders never cease.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Wasn't there a rumor that Quincy was going to lose his starting job and that's why he entered the draft?

 

[AbeBeta]

oh you didn't lnow? Jets would have never made the playoffs without those 3 games Carter played in 2004

and evidently going to such bowls as the oahu bowl, and outback bowl are considered good lmao

he did win 2 games. against awful teams (Cle and Az) with 10 wins between them for the year. but he did win those games.

of course he did cause considerable distraction later in the year.

 

[kartr]

Took two NFL teams to the playoffs?

The Jets won 8 games with Pennington and Pennington won just 1 road game, Carter won 2 road games and was beat up physically in those games with sacks, yet came back to throw the winning td in both games. Carter was actually knocked out of the Arizona game and had to be carried off the field by his teammates before returning. Speaking of toughness,there is no way the Jets make the playoffs in 2004 without Carter and Edwards admitted it. See their 2005 season and ours.

 

[kartr]

I disagree with him on Rivers... I think he will be a fantastic QB...

I agree on McNeal and his talent... I've been watching him play since HS and I think he has a career in this league... at QB... not at WR... but he can do pretty much anything on the field...

I don't know about Rivers, he did look okay in college, but I question his arm strength. As for McNeal, I agree his position is at qb,he was on a bad team at A&M and they were poorly coached too. I think Reggie's accuracy is better than Vick's and his speed, arm strength and intelligence are more than adequate. He just needs to go a team that has a decent supporting cast and good coaching and be given the same amount time to develop that Hasselbeck was given and he'll be alright.

 

[trickblue]

The Jets won 8 games with Pennington and Pennington won just 1 road game, Carter won 2 road games and was beat up physically in those games with sacks, yet came back to throw the winning td in both games. Carter was actually knocked out of the Arizona game and had to be carried off the field by his teammates before returning. Speaking of toughness,there is no way the Jets make the playoffs in 2004 without Carter and Edwards admitted it. See their 2005 season and ours.

That's some mighty iffy logic there kartr...

Perhaps there is some mutally exclusivity in there? I can make most any scenario appear correct by that logic...