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 ,pill;1337780]But if only Jimmy was the Mastermind behind the 90's superteam ..... why could he not replicate that in Miami?

If Jerry had nothing to do with it ..... why did Jimmy fail alone?

Remember this is not Brain Surgery ....

Remember this is not Brain Surgery ....[/quote]

So you're saying Jerry was the missing piece and Jimmy wouldn't have failed if Jerry had gone to Miami with him???[/quote]

no, we're saying it was a team effort and you can't take away jones participation in the success just cause you hate him.

 

[zrinkill]

You claim I'm cherrypicking when all I've said is that Jimmy and BP were the primary decision-makers when they were here while the same can't be said for Barry/Chan/Campo.

I'm still waiting for you to answer: Did Jimmy and BP have more control than Barry/Chan/Campo???

With Chan and Campo ..... yes ..... I just dont think they were given as much time as he would give Bill and Jimmy.

But Barry was just a babysitter ...... a waste of an great coach right there.

 

[VA Cowboy]

does jones get any credit for the good years from you?

we can do this all day - but since you're not even trying to see what we're saying, i'm out. got things to do now.

That's what I thought. You know full well that Jimmy and BP had more control when they were here , whereas Jerry had the most control during the Switzer/Gailey/Campo years.

Thanks for playing.

 

[zrinkill]

So you're saying Jerry was the missing piece and Jimmy wouldn't have failed if Jerry had gone to Miami with him???

Yes thats exactly what I am saying ...... Why wont you answer the question? I answered your's.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

does jones get any credit for the good years from you?

we can do this all day - but since you're not even trying to see what we're saying, i'm out. got things to do now.

Jones deserves credit for bringing JJ to the team. All things point to jimmy building the team. Credit Jones for allowing that. Then things broke down when Jones took
the credit for doing it. So we can also credit Jones for screwing up what he took credit for building.
I certainly give Jones credit for ten years worth of garbage in between JJ and Parcells. I then give him credit for Parcells.

Wow I didn't realize how much credit I actually give Ole Jerry.
I would still love to smack his plastic mug a few times though.

 

[zrinkill]

no, we're saying it was a team effort and you can't take away jones participation in the success just cause you hate him.

Exactly.

 

[zrinkill]

All things point to jimmy building the team.

Then why did he fail in Miami? Because he did not have JJ to run the day to day operations?

Thats what I think.

 

[zrinkill]

That's what I thought. You know full well that Jimmy and BP had more control when they were here , whereas Jerry had the most control during the Switzer/Gailey/Campo years.

Thanks for playing.

I answered ..... yet you have yet to answer mine.

Thats what I thought.

 

[VA Cowboy]

no, we're saying it was a team effort and you can't take away jones participation in the success just cause you hate him.

You just inferred that Jimmy failed alone in Miami so that must mean Jerry was the reason he succeeded in Dallas.

I call Bullshyte... Jimmy didn't win a SB in Miami, not because he didn't have Jerry with him, but because he had an aging Marino instead of an Aikman, he admittedly reached for a RB trying to find an Emmitt. He was much more removed from the college game than he was when he came to Dallas and didn't know the talent as well. He didn't have multiple picks due to a huge Walker trade. I never said Jimmy was the only reason for Dallas' success. But I do know he had the primary control over personnel in those days and it was more his doing than Jerrys.

And, Jimmy not winning in Miami had nothing to do with Jerry not being their for him to team up with.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Yes thats exactly what I am saying ...... Why wont you answer the question? I answered your's.

Oh that's rich. Miami didn't win a Super Bowl because Jimmy didn't have Jerry.



Thanks for making my day....I might have to make that my sig.

 

[zrinkill]

You just inferred that Jimmy failed alone in Miami so that must mean Jerry was the reason he succeeded in Dallas.

I call Bullshyte... Jimmy didn't win a SB in Miami, not because he didn't have Jerry with him, but because he had an aging Marino instead of an Aikman, he admittedly reached for a RB trying to find an Emmitt. He was much more removed from the college game than he was when he came to Dallas and didn't know the talent as well. He didn't have multiple picks due to a huge Walker trade. I never said Jimmy was the only reason for Dallas' success. But I do know he had the primary control over personnel in those days and it was more his doing than Jerrys.

And, Jimmy not winning in Miami had nothing to do with Jerry not being their for him to team up with.

Those same excuse could be used for Jerry and whatever coach he had in that time period .... The triplest where ageing .... Salary cap hell, Injuries all over the place .....

Yet jerry is stupid and Jimmy gets a pass......

 

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You just inferred that Jimmy failed alone in Miami so that must mean Jerry was the reason he succeeded in Dallas.

I call Bullshyte... Jimmy didn't win a SB in Miami, not because he didn't have Jerry with him, but because he had an aging Marino instead of an Aikman, he admittedly reached for a RB trying to find an Emmitt. He was much more removed from the college game than he was when he came to Dallas and didn't know the talent as well. He didn't have multiple picks due to a huge Walker trade. I never said Jimmy was the only reason for Dallas' success. But I do know he had the primary control over personnel in those days and it was more his doing than Jerrys.

And, Jimmy not winning in Miami had nothing to do with Jerry not being their for him to team up with.

you're getting confused - that was zrin that said that.

and again, jimmys failure in miami is because a "team" didn't form that would allow the "team" to win in the same manner as it did in dallas.

and while you do all your "thanks for playing" crap - you never answered my question (but nc_cowboy did -thanks man!)

DOES JONES DESERVE ANY CREDIT FOR THE EARLY SUCCESS?

again you ignore what doesn't prove your point and claim agenda on those trying to balance an entire story.

 

[iceberg]

Oh that's rich. Miami didn't win a Super Bowl because Jimmy didn't have Jerry.



Thanks for making my day....I might have to make that my sig.

and now your signature is a compliation of a long multipage discussion you re-create to suit your own needs.

good going. you just made my ignore the fool list.

 

[VA Cowboy]

DOES JONES DESERVE ANY CREDIT FOR THE EARLY SUCCESS?

again you ignore what doesn't prove your point and claim agenda on those trying to balance an entire story.

YES. JONES DESERVES CREDIT FOR HIRING JIMMY AND THEN GETTING OUT OF THE WAY.

 

[zrinkill]

Oh that's rich. Miami didn't win a Super Bowl because Jimmy didn't have Jerry.

Wow what an answer.

Would Jimmy's presence fixed Troy, Mikes, Haleys, Jays, Backs?

How about the Salary Cap Hell .... that Jimmy's expertise?

Give me a break

 

[VA Cowboy]

and now your signature is a compliation of a long multipage discussion you re-create to suit your own needs.

good going. you just made my ignore the fool list.

Actually, it's a statement made by zrinkill. If he wants to retract it he can.

 

[zrinkill]

Actually, it's a statement made by zrinkill. If he wants to retract it he can.

Not at all. You cannot refute it other than using smilies.

That usually shows what kinda argument people have.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Wow what an answer.

Would Jimmy's presence fixed Troy, Mikes, Haleys, Jays, Backs?

How about the Salary Cap Hell .... that Jimmy's expertise?

Give me a break

I definitely think we would've drafted a lot better and avoided going 5-11 three straight years.

But hey, I'm sure bad drafting and trades by Jerruh had nothing to do with it.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Not at all. You cannot refute it other than using smilies.

That usually shows what kinda argument people have.

It's right here:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1337801&postcount=204

Is that exactly what you are saying or not?

 

[zrinkill]

I definitely think we would've drafted a lot better and avoided going 5-11 three straight years.

But hey, I'm sure bad drafting and trades by Jerruh had nothing to do with it.

Then why did he not do that in Miami with their problems?

Come on ...... remember this is not brain Surgery.