ESPN's 5 most deadly hitters

[Bob Sacamano]

If you choose to believe that then that is your choice but just because you have a few of your fellow Cowboys fan buddies backing you up doesnt make it fact. I am done trying to explain this to you.

you don't have to be a coach to know what coverages are being run, it's not hard to figure out who is responsible for what area of the field and receiver, all you have to is look at how the players are lined up in coverage

I do find it a bit ironic, how one stats assessment is taken by you as fact, KC Joyner, but not another, and KC Joyner doesn't even watch game-film

 

[theogt]

Archuleta was back there too until he bit on Witten's route, leaving his area of the field unmanned. I have already stated this and am repeating myself.

Archuleta lined up 8-9 yards off the LOS and never dropped backwards one step until he began to cover the TE manned up.

If that is a Cover 2, Archuleta lined up wrong. Started the play wrong. And executed the play wrong.

Do you assume that every play in which 2 safeties are on the field is a Cover 2?

By contrast, Taylor was lined up 17 yards off the LOS v. Archuleta's 8-9 yards off. No, there was not 2 deep safeties. There was 1 deep safety.

 

[LowTech]

I thought I ended this debate

 

[yazzmode621]

you don't have to be a coach to know what coverages are being run, it's not hard to figure out who is responsible for what area of the field and receiver, all you have to is look at how the players are lined up in coverage

I do find it a bit ironic, how one stats assessment is taken by you as fact, KC Joyner, but not another, and KC Joyner doesn't even watch game-film

So he just pulls these figures out his ***? My point was to show how 2 different 'professional' sources can have 2 different 'stats.'

 

[yazzmode621]

Archuleta lined up 8-9 yards off the LOS and never dropped backwards one step until he began to cover the TE manned up.

If that is a Cover 2, Archuleta lined up wrong. Started the play wrong. And executed the play wrong.

Do you assume that every play in which 2 safeties are on the field is a Cover 2?

By contrast, Taylor was lined up 17 yards off the LOS v. Taylor's 8-9 yards off. No, there was not 2 deep safeties. There was 1 deep safety.

Why did Rogers release TO to Taylor then?
Archuleta did screw up. That is why Steve Jackson was talking to him and showing him something on the clipboard after the play. Taylor is not Superman. He can't cover both TO and Glenn deep all alone in one play.

Also, Madden broke down the play also. The same play happened against us versus the Texans also.

 

[theogt]

Why did Rogers release TO to Taylor then?
Archuleta did screw up. That is why Steve Jackson was talking to him and showing him something on the clipboard after the play. Taylor is not Superman. He can't cover both TO and Glenn deep all alone in one play.

Rogers didn't release him. He ran up, jammed him, turned his hips and ran with him down the sideline. He played slightly off while running, but he never "released" him in order to cover a short zone.

Your ability to look at a play and analyze it is absolutely atrocious.

 

[theebs]

woops I thought you were talking about the play in washington, not the one in Dallas. The one in Dallas, Owens and glenn were both wide open.

It is debatable if Taylor is to blame. If the ball had gone to owens side it would have been a td also, Taylor for whatever reason was just taken out of that play by good design.

I cant believe I rendered the other play and broke it down!!! What an idiot.

I am uploading the actual play you are talking about right now, so we can all watch it.

Rogers was covering owens outside, no one was covering glenn, he got a free release ran right at taylor gave him a fake and then beat him to the back corner. Taylor was lost on that play.

 

[yazzmode621]

Rogers didn't release him. He ran up, jammed him, turned his hips and ran with him down the sideline. He played slightly off while running, but he never "released" him in order to cover a short zone.

Your ability to look at a play and analyze it is absolutely atrocious.

It looked like he released him, or at the least expected safety help. Madden broke it down and showed how Archuleta screwed up.

 

[theogt]

It looked like he released him, or at the least expected safety help. Madden broke it down and showed how Archuleta screwed up.

Madden broke it down and showed that Archuleta covered the TE. He never argued or even implied that Archuleta made a mistake.

So, why, again, was this not properly attributable to Taylor?

 

[yazzmode621]

woops I thought you were talking about the play in washington, not the one in Dallas. The one in Dallas, Owens and glenn were both wide open.

It is debatable if Taylor is to blame. If the ball had gone to owens side it would have been a td also, Taylor for whatever reason was just taken out of that play by good design.

I cant believe I rendered the other play and broke it down!!! What an idiot.

Thank you for proving my point and not being a Cowboys homer.

 

[Timbo2st]

I can't believe I went through an entire thread arguing about Sean Taylor being in the top 5 deadly hitters.

I think he should be on the list. I mean the guy can just make monster hits. I don't care about him in coverage or whatever you guys were debating. The list just said hitters.

I'd even have Roy Williams on the list. He lays people out too.

I'd have 3 safeties from the NFC East on their.

So you got 3 spots with....

Taylor
Dawkins
R. Williams

I really don't know about Troy Polamalu. I always see him making the interceptions and playing great in coverage, but as far as hitting goes, I think he shouldn't be on the list.

Not sure about Peppers being on the list.


I'd consider putting Ed Reed and Bob Saunders on the list. It's really a safety list, because they usually make the hits that people remember most often.

 

[yazzmode621]

Madden broke it down and showed that Archuleta covered the TE. He never argued or even implied that Archuleta made a mistake.

So, why, again, was this not properly attributable to Taylor?

Since I have repetead myself numerous times, I'll refer to a Cowboys fan's post:
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1459443&postcount=227

 

[theogt]

Regardless of this distinction on play call, Sean Taylor was in a perfect position on that play to make a play on the ball. Glenn slowed and the pass was slightly underthrown. Taylor had a perfect position, if he was aware of where the ball was, to undercut the route and either knock the ball away or possibly go for an INT.

 

[theogt]

Since I have repetead myself numerous times, I'll refer to a Cowboys fan's post:
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1459443&postcount=227

Which part of theebs's post were you referring to?

This one?

If the ball had gone to owens side it would have been a td also, Taylor for whatever reason was just taken out of that play by good design.

Or this one?

Rogers was covering owens outside, no one was covering glenn, he got a free release ran right at taylor gave him a fake and then beat him to the back corner. Taylor was lost on that play.

Again, I ask: how have you proven that Taylor was not to blame?

 

[the kid 05]

It looked like he released him, or at the least expected safety help. Madden broke it down and showed how Archuleta screwed up.

usually listing to a senile 97 year old man isn't always the best thing to do bud

 

[yazzmode621]

Regardless of this distinction on play call, Sean Taylor was in a perfect position on that play to make a play on the ball. Glenn slowed and the pass was slightly underthrown. Taylor had a perfect position, if he was aware of where the ball was, to undercut the route and either knock the ball away or possibly go for an INT.

I'm done with this. Even when a Cowboys fan agrees with me you're still in denial. Nothing more can be said that hasn't been said already.

 

[theebs]

here is the play

http://www.4shared.com/file/14299995/fab65e41/Terry_Glenn_TD_catch_with_brad_and_charlie.html

you can watch it in that flash player or click download in the middle of the page when it pops up..

 

[theogt]

I'm done with this. Even when a Cowboys fan agrees with me you're still in denial. Nothing more can be said that hasn't been said already.

Really? What Cowboys fan said that Taylor wasn't to blame? I haven't read a single one.

 

[theogt]

here is the play

http://www.4shared.com/file/14299995/fab65e41/Terry_Glenn_TD_catch_with_brad_and_charlie.html

you can watch it in that flash player or click download in the middle of the page when it pops up..

There was actually another shot of the play just after this clip ends that is probably the best shot. It's from the top-down view.

 

[TEK2000]

Theebs... that play is already on my site.
You gave it to me with the Brad Sham audio.