ESPN's MVP Poll is an absolute joke

[KJJ]

If someone said prior to the season that we would have two rookies at #4 and #5 in an ESPN league MVP poll and one would be our 4th round QB, everyone would have thought that was a joke.

 

[DallasBlockersClub]

1. Derek Carr
2. Matt Ryan
3. Tom Brady
4. Zeke
5. Dak
6. Matthew Stafford
T7. Von Miller
T7. Russell Wilson
T7. Aaron Rodgers
10. Andrew Luck
11. Drew Brees

One of the drawbacks of being America's Team AKA the most hated team in America.

Dak leads the league in QBR and has guided his team to the very best record in the NFL. To discredit what he's done because of Elliott or the OL is a JOKE. We went 1-11 last year without Romo and with essentially the same OL.

Derek Carr also benefits from a great OL... and oh by the way, Dak's numbers blow Carr's out of the water (86.0 QBR vs 66.7) AND the Cowboys have a better record than the Raiders.

And since when do great weapons (like Zeke and Dez) take away from a QB's MVP candidacy? Do we discredit Carr because he has Cooper/Murray? How about Ryan with Julio/Freeman? Brady has Gronk and maybe the best coach ever.

Speaking of Mr. Brady... not only does Dak have a higher QBR than Brady... not only does Dak have a better win % than Brady... but Brady was suspended for 4 games for cheating! AND his backup went 3-1!!!

Early morning rant over. Just sick of our guys getting the shaft just because they have a star on their helmets and that triggers all sorts of insecurity within the haters. Romo deserved the award in 2014 but Aaron Rodgers won in a landslide.

Go Cowboys. Dak Prescott = the REAL MVP.

Russell Wilson above Brees? LOL

 

[Craig]

Zeke is no MVP candidate. His inclusion is a farce, and anyone with any knowledge of how the award is given nowadays knows this. It's a QB award nowadays barring some type of enormous, record-breaking season.

And EVEN IF you disagree, why is Zeke a "candidate" and Julio Jones isn't? Zeke's the league's leading rusher, Julio's the league's leading receiver. Oh, right... Julio's inclusion would wipe out Matt Ryan's chances, and the Falcons aren't a polarizing team hated by most fans like the Cowboys are. So Ryan has a shot but Dak doesn't.

Same exact garbage that cost Romo in 2014. Make Murray an "MVP candidate" (who has no real shot at winning), and BOOM - Romo's instantly discredited and his MVP chances are gone.

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[DallasDomination]

Brady missed 4 games he's not getting mvp..plus the Pats can win without

 

[Nav22]

Dak has a better supporting cast than Carr does. I don't even know how you can argue that. Dak has a guy behind him that leads the league in rushing with arguably the best offensive line in football while Carr plays with a running back who is 22nd in the league in rushing and has a 3.9 YPA. Don't understand how you can say that these two have equally talented supporting cast because that's just not true. You mention taking out Dez for 3 games, but guess who Dak had help to rely on? Zeke. You take out Cooper or Crabtree from Oakland and I'm pretty sure the Raiders will struggle to win games without their weapons outside and having to rely on a below average running game.

Dak also has much better numbers and a better record than Carr does.

Look at the history of the award. Does it generally go to the guy with the best numbers and the best record? Or does it go to guys with inferior numbers, an inferior record and a litany of excuses?

Carr has a very strong supporting cast himself. You talk like he's carrying a bunch of scrubs in Oakland. Raiders have the 10th-most rush yards in the league, by the way, so it's not like they can't pound the rock. Amari Cooper for every game > Dez for 8 out of 11 games, and Michael Crabtree >>>> Terrance Williams.

 

[KJJ]

Russell Wilson above Brees? LOL

That's because Seattle is 7-3-1 and NO is 5-6. No player is going to win league MVP on a losing team. Not saying it hasn't happened but it's not likely in this day and age.

 

[DFWJC]

Russell Wilson above Brees? LOL

Fair or not, it's all about the record.
If you're basing it truly on who has been more valuable this year, Brees could possibly be ahead of everyone. (I know, better duck for saying this blasphemy)
Not happening with that record though.

 

[KJJ]

Brady missed 4 games he's not getting mvp..plus the Pats can win without

What have the Pats won without Brady? lol

 

[Chuck 54]

I don't have a problem with the poll. What makes Dak or Zeke more valuable than Carr right now? Are they more valuable than Tom Brady?
Matt Ryan I would question only because of his lackluster past, but he is having a great year.

I don't see how any non-homer could expect a rookie to win MVP of the league, and Carr is having a magical year.

 

[Dale]

Dak also has much better numbers and a better record than Carr does.

Look at the history of the award. Does it generally go to the guy with the best numbers and the best record? Or does it go to guys with inferior numbers, an inferior record and a litany of excuses?

Carr has a very strong supporting cast himself. You talk like he's carrying a bunch of scrubs in Oakland. Raiders have the 10th-most rush yards in the league, by the way, so it's not like they can't pound the rock. Amari Cooper for every game > Dez for 8 out of 11 games, and Michael Crabtree >>>> Terrance Williams.

Yeah, what I don't get about the supporting cast argument against Dak is that Carr benefits from the same thing. Been hearing from a lot of analysts that they have the second or third best line in the league, the best receiver tandem, etc. He's not exactly working with the Three Stooges.

 

[Nav22]

And four through seven are nearly tied. Again, how significant is the gap? Not significant at all, to my mind.This is your best argument, by the way. Although QBR is so opaque that I don't put a whole lot of stock in it.Bro, Dak doesn't have a record. The Cowboys do. I can't believe you're using a 1-game difference in the standings as an argument here: it's so obviously ludicrous. The Raiders lost to KC and ATL and beat DEN. Dallas hasn't beaten anybody that good.I don't care in the slightest about who *will* win the MVP. It's given by sportswriters, who are largely idiots. I'm talking about arguments for who *should* win the MVP. And 10-1 vs. 9-2 against completely different schedules isn't one, not by a country mile.If you think the Raiders' OL and RBs are as good as Dallas's, then there's really nothing more for us to discuss. But you don't really think that; you're just trying to win the argument rather than arrive at the truth.You keep saying this, but it doesn't actually mean anything. Stats and records are always context-dependent, and there's no one killer stat that trumps all else.
I would probably pick Dak over Carr myself, though it would be very close. But I wouldn't choose either as MVP anyway.

Our point differential is +103, best in the NFL.

Raiders point differential is +32, 3rd-best... in their division. 10th-best in the NFL.

Keep those excuses coming. Carr's entire candidacy depends on them!

 

[Nav22]

And four through seven are nearly tied. Again, how significant is the gap? Not significant at all, to my mind.This is your best argument, by the way. Although QBR is so opaque that I don't put a whole lot of stock in it.Bro, Dak doesn't have a record. The Cowboys do. I can't believe you're using a 1-game difference in the standings as an argument here: it's so obviously ludicrous. The Raiders lost to KC and ATL and beat DEN. Dallas hasn't beaten anybody that good.I don't care in the slightest about who *will* win the MVP. It's given by sportswriters, who are largely idiots. I'm talking about arguments for who *should* win the MVP. And 10-1 vs. 9-2 against completely different schedules isn't one, not by a country mile.If you think the Raiders' OL and RBs are as good as Dallas's, then there's really nothing more for us to discuss. But you don't really think that; you're just trying to win the argument rather than arrive at the truth.You keep saying this, but it doesn't actually mean anything. Stats and records are always context-dependent, and there's no one killer stat that trumps all else.
I would probably pick Dak over Carr myself, though it would be very close. But I wouldn't choose either as MVP anyway.

More context for you:

Dak's 8-point lead over Carr in passer rating is larger than Carr's lead over the SEVENTEENTH-rated passer.

You know who that passer is? Cody Kessler, Browns rookie.

 

[Chuck 54]

We have team MVPs for offense and defense and overall.

To me, the NFL MVP is the most valuable player in the league, the shining star at a skill position on offense or an insane pass rusher.

Dak and Zeke are our MVPs, along with the entire OL, but I have no problem if Carr or Brady wins the MVP; they are great players. I don't care if either of our guys win an award; I don't care about rookie of the year. I'm a selfish SOB......1. Let's keep their contract bargaining power to it's minimum. 2. Let's keep them both hungry with chips on their shoulders.

They are both awesome, but without this OL, our rookie QB would be the worst kind of check-down Charlie and our RB would be just another talented guy. We saw what Zeke did in his first games before getting comfortable; it would be very similar if he was playing for most of the non-blocking teams in this league. That's not an argument against MVP, just the reality that they are rookies, extraordinary rookies who are only getting to show how extraordinary they can be because of this OL. Murray is also over 1000 yards in Tennessee, and Wentz would be an entirely different QB behind our Line.

Let's just enjoy it.

 

[Rob-G]

NFL.com

Who would get your MVP vote today?

• 22%Tom Brady
• 38%Dak Prescott
• 8%Matt Ryan
• 24%Ezekiel Elliott
• 8%Russell Wilson

Total Votes: 322305

 

[Nav22]

We have team MVPs for offense and defense and overall.

To me, the NFL MVP is the most valuable player in the league, the shining star at a skill position on offense or an insane pass rusher.

Dak and Zeke are our MVPs, along with the entire OL, but I have no problem if Carr or Brady wins the MVP; they are great players. I don't care if either of our guys win an award; I don't care about rookie of the year. I'm a selfish SOB......1. Let's keep their contract bargaining power to it's minimum. 2. Let's keep them both hungry with chips on their shoulders.

They are both awesome, but without this OL, our rookie QB would be the worst kind of check-down Charlie and our RB would be just another talented guy. We saw what Zeke did in his first games before getting comfortable; it would be very similar if he was playing for most of the non-blocking teams in this league. That's not an argument against MVP, just the reality that they are rookies, extraordinary rookies who are only getting to show how extraordinary they can be because of this OL. Murray is also over 1000 yards in Tennessee, and Wentz would be an entirely different QB behind our Line.

Let's just enjoy it.

LOL!

And if David Klingler was a Cowboy he would've been a Hall of Famer, and if Troy Aikman was a Bengal he would've been a bum.

Klingler has excuses, Aikman has 3 rings and a bust in Canton.

We can play this game all day, dude. Nothing more than weak excuses. Dak's numbers are better than anyone else's and his record's better than anyone else's. Period.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Our point differential is +103, best in the NFL.

Raiders point differential is +32, 3rd-best... in their division. 10th-best in the NFL.

Keep those excuses coming. Carr's entire candidacy depends on them!

Okay, you've convinced me. The Raiders' defense has given up 62 more points than the Cowboys' defense, which clearly means Dak Prescott is better than Derek Carr.

It does tell me that Carr has been in more must-throw situations, which helps explain why his efficiency numbers may be a bit lower than Dak's.

 

[JD_KaPow]

More context for you:

Dak's 8-point lead over Carr in passer rating is larger than Carr's lead over the SEVENTEENTH-rated passer.

You know who that passer is? Cody Kessler, Browns rookie.

That tells me a lot more about the usefulness of passer rating as a statistic than it does about the QBs in question.

 

[Nav22]

That tells me a lot more about the usefulness of passer rating as a statistic than it does about the QBs in question.

LOL!!!! So I give you more context, which YOU asked for, and now the entire statistic is useless. Classic!

 

[Nav22]

That tells me a lot more about the usefulness of passer rating as a statistic than it does about the QBs in question.

Or the Cowboys offense has been vastly superior in holding the ball and converting 3rd downs.

No surprise. Our QB has been better than theirs.

 

[JD_KaPow]

LOL!!!! So I give you more context, which YOU asked for, and now the entire statistic is useless. Classic!

You did provide context. The context shows that everyone is bunched in a tight range in the passer rating stat, which suggests it's poor at differentiating.

Let's try this. Russell Wilson led the league in passer rating last year. Andy Dalton was 2nd, 4 points behind. Wilson had an 8-point edge over Tom Brady and an 11-point edge over MVP winner Cam Newton. His lead in the stat over Newton was as big as Newton's over Case Keenum. Should Wilson have been MVP last year? Was Wilson as much better than Newton as Newton was than Case Keenum? Really, I'm interested in your answer to this.

In 2013, Nick Foles led the NFL in passer rating. Enough said.

One or two numbers are not the beginning and end of the conversation.