ESPN's Todd McShay "Rams are angling to trade up for the No. 9 overall pick "

[DFWJC]

Good point 41.

Just because drafts are made by middle round picks, does not mean Cowboy drafts are made by middle round picks.
:laugh2:

We did get Ratliff, Witten, Barber, Gurode and few others in round 3 and later, but our record has not been so good lately.

I'd say IF we value Tyron Smith at 9 (or in that range) then fo course, take him.
Big IF though. We may value him at 17-20. If so, then no, do not take him at 9.

My post above was addressing how many WRs are found by toher teams in the 3rd round or later...and that although SL would benefit greatly by getting Julio Jones, recent history shows that a ton of great WRs have been had later.

 

[28 Joker]

Good point 41.

Just because drafts are made by middle round picks, does not mean Cowboy drafts are made by middle round picks.
:laugh2:

We did get Ratliff, Witten, Barber, Gurode and few others in round 3 and later, but our record has not been so good lately.

I'd say IF we value Tyron Smith at 9 (or in that range) then fo course, take him.
Big IF though. We may value him at 17-20. If so, then no, do not take him at 9.

That was pretty good wasn't it.

Tyron Smith has perfect value at 9, and he will not last past pick 13. Just about all the draft experts agree on his value for Dallas at 9. I think the Cowboys do value him at 9, but time will tell if they are smart enough to cash it in.

 

[Woods]

Here is a list of the Cowboys 2nd and 3rd round picks from 2000-2010:

2010:

2-Sean Lee (TBD) Looks promising.

2009:

3-Jason Williams
3-Robert Brewster

The Cowboys had two third round picks, and both of them were busts. Robert "Buster" was cut and passed through waivers and is on the practice squad. Williams was cut.

2008:

2-Martellus Bennett

A great blocker who has big potential as an overall TE, but he is playing behind a future Hall of Fame player. Can he ever reach his true potential behind Witten?

2007:

3-James Marten

At least "Buster" Douglas knocked Mike Tyson out.


2006:

2-Anthony Fasano
3-Jason Hatcher

Fasano couldn't perform the F back role he was drafted for. He was a poor blocker. Importantly, he let a sure TD pass go right though his hands and hit him in the face mask (in the 2007 Divisional playoff debacle). Hatcher never became a starter and was role player, who appears to be on the way out. He was over drafted. NE wanted him in round 4.

2005:

2-Kevin Burnett

Good cover linebacker but left after four years and never started. His rookie year was a disappointment. He was drafted to play outside, but he was not that type of player. That led to (gulp) Bobby Carpenter in 2006. He wasn't fit for that role, either.

2004:

2- Julius Jones
2- Jacob Rodgers
3- Stephen Peterman

Rodgers had a shoulder injury and should have never been drafted. This was on Parcells. Julius Jones had one good year and fizzled fast. Peterman suffered a bad leg injury his rookie year and couldn't over come it and was released.

2003:

2-Al Johnson
3-Jason Witten

Johnson suffered a bad leg injury and couldn't recover and was released. How Jason Witten lasted that long, I'll never know. It was pure luck. Witten will go to the Hall of Fame some day.

2002:

2-Andre Gurode
3-Derek Ross

Gurode became a multiple pro bowl player at center while the gamble on the character of Ross became a bust.


2001:

2-Quincy Carter
2-Tony Dixon
3- Willie Blade

Carter was over drafted and was cut due to drugs. Dixon was a slow S who was burned over and over and over. Jerry Jones helped build a Super Bowl team in Seattle by giving his first round pick away.

2000:

2-Dwayne Goodrich

Dallas gave their first away for Joey Galloway. Goodrich has a great junior year, but his play drops off big during his senior year. Dallas still takes him in round 2. He suffers a serious injury and ends up in jail.


There were 19 2nd or 3rd round picks. In my opinion, 15 of them were busts. Hatcher and Burnett never became starters despite being picked in rounds 3 and 2 respectively. Burnett is gone, and Hatcher is on the way out. Peterman and Johnson suffered catastrophic leg injuries.

The Cowboys have trouble hitting on one pick in these rounds. I just don't get passing on a blue chip, cornerstone offensive linemen (the best offensive linemen in the draft, Tyron Smith), so you can draft an inferior player in round 1 and get an extra chance to draft the next Robert "Buster".

Only Andre Gurode (2) and Jason Witten (3) have become starters, and they hit big time. Bennett is a solid player but expensive in round 2. Lee (2) has big promise.

Again, as you can see, the Cowboys have trouble hitting on one third rounder, and some want to move down and pick up another third round pick. In fact, the 3rd round has been down right ugly for the Cowboys. It's a house of horrors. Look no further than 2009 to see the results of the two third round picks.

Again, take note of the second round when Dallas just has one pick and see the 2 years that they had two picks (2004 and 2001).

Sean Lee
Martellus Bennett

Anthony Fasano
Kevin Burnett
Julius Jones
Jacob Rodgers
Al Johnson
Andre Gurode
Quincy Carter
Tony Dixon
Dwayne Goodrich

2004 was a year where Dallas had two second round picks. It produced two busts. (Julius Jones and Jacob Rodgers) 2001 was another year that Dallas had two second round picks, and the results were two busts (Carter and Dixon). Look how lonely Andre Gurode, Bennett, and Lee are.

That second round has been ugly too. It's in Freddie Kruger territory. It's a nightmare. Are you sure you want to dip into that round twice?

I'd take the blue chip, cornerstone offensive linemen, Tyron Smith at number 9 and celebrate. If I picked twice in round two, it would be done by moving up from round 3. Choose your poison.

I'm not giving up the best offensive linemen in the draft, so I can get an inferior player in round one and an extra pick of inferior players.

We don't make the choices, but the Cowboys would be wise to look at the names on this list before they do something very stupid.

Tyron Smith gives Dallas B.J. Raiji value at number 9, except the value is in the offensive line.

I'm with you on this.

Let's just take T Smith and plug him in at RT to begin with. If the staff wants to move him to LT and Free to RT sometime down the line, so be it.

If we have the ability to draft a potential Pro Bowl OT, it makes sense to do it. The OL needs capable bodies badly, and Smith will possibly be the best OT in this draft class in a couple of years. Not to mention, if he remains healthy, he could play for 12-14 years.

It not that often we draft in the top 10. Let's make it count and get a blue chip player.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

The reason Jerry should not trade is because he always gets snookered by the other team. This is a prime example:

Everyone remembers the disastrous, failed, damaging, franchise killing draft of 2009. Using the Trade Value Chart - look at this. Jerry traded his number 2 choice (51st pick) with a trade value of 390 points. In return he gets Buffalo's #3 which is the 75th pick (trade value 215) and Buffalo's number 4 pick, the 110th selection (trade value of 74). So he gives up 390 points and gets 299 in return for a net loss of 91 points which is the equivalent of the 100th pick. Go figure!

Oh, and yes, Andre Levitre who Buffalo selected with the Cowboys #2 has been a starting OL ever since his selection.

Do not trade down -- Jerry!-Co Sign

The same reason Jerry should not trade is the same reason he should find a new GM but the horse is dead and it just keeps laying there no matter how much you beat it, now it smells bad too.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Here is a list of the Cowboys 2nd and 3rd round picks from 2000-2010:

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What an outstanding post.

 

[AmishGangsta]

Skins are eyeing defense with their first pick - pass rusher.

; if their player isn't there, they'd likely take the best available big man before they would a receiver.

 

[TheCount]

Skins are eyeing defense with their first pick - pass rusher.

; if their player isn't there, they'd likely take a big man over receiver.

I doubt it, I think they'd love to get Julio.

They just spent a Top 5 pick on Williams and traded for Jamaal Brown as well.

 

[AmishGangsta]

I doubt it, I think they'd love to get Julio.

They just spent a Top 5 pick on Williams and traded for Jamaal Brown as well.

They need to get a pass rusher opposite of Orakpo. Have a 3-4 defense without the personnel.

Need a pass rusher (likely Quinn), NT or a DE.

Could also trade down with the rams, so they can take Julio Jones

 

[AmishGangsta]

If Quinns there, it would take a herschel walker trade for them not to take him. They are in love with him.

If he's not there, they will try really hard to trade down.