Everyone is writing Randy Gregory off. I'm not

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Times are changing and courts have already said an employer has the right to test their employees the Colorado Supreme Court has agreed as well. Players if they choose to get high that is their business but employers have rights as well and they can enact drug testing. There is no law saying one must work for the NFL, those who are able to do so have rules they must follow. Perception and image matters in the NFL. You beat your wife some employers do not care, NFL does and can hand down punishment. You get in a bar fight the NFL can act on that while some other place may not. Just claiming a substance is legal does not alter the fact the league can legally implement rules for those who play in the NFL

Conflating it with domestic violence and bar fights. Nice.

Times are still changing and the polling includes business owners.

 

[Rogerthat12]

No grudge eh?

Now, I'm abusive yet you are carefree. You belie your narrative over and again. No wonder calls about backbrain raise your ire.

Nevermind that Bosa was the first non-QB selected.

More Ad Hominem from Fuzzy, go figure!

Spence is the better pure pass rusher regardless!...Dane Brugler...

 

[Doomsday101]

Conflating it with domestic violence and bar fights. Nice.

Times are still changing and the polling includes business owners.

what I am pointing out is because other business may allow certain things away from work does not mean the NFL has to follow suite, they have every right and courts have backed this to lay down rules. Your right a business can enact or not that is their choice you seem to want to take away that choice from a business, because you disagree with them?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It does matter when your civilization is eventually destroyed by lack of morals. Just ask the Romans. Once the greatest civilization of all time and became decadent and is now nothing. That will happen to America over time if you guys have your way. Go celebrate your victory because it is short -lived!

What about the Roman's? Please be specific. I think you are reading entirely too much into the propaganda of Constantine and Augustus.

so Theodoric and Atilla won because of the Roman lack of morals? I would argue that Constantine and his piety is what led to the dark ages. The library at Alexandria was the common demon of the moral man back in the 5ht century. They burned it down and insisted on their ideology until Aquinas loosened the reins a bit with his position on natural law 7 centuries later.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

More Ad Hominem from Fuzzy, go figure!

Spence is the better pure pass rusher regardless!...Dane Brugler...

What is the ad hominem?

You said all you do is laugh carefree while I am abusive. That is a fact.

Your story rings hollow to me. That is a fact.

Bosa was the top DE selected in the draft. That is a fact.

I just think that when you get upset you think it is ad hominem. The trying to hold onto an argument a month old is absolutely delicious.

 

[JoeKing]

What about the Roman's? Please be specific. I think you are reading entirely too much into the propaganda of Constantine and Augustus.

so Theodoric and Atilla won because of the Roman lack of morals? I would argue that Constantine and his piety is what led to the dark ages. The library at Alexandria was the common demon of the moral man back in the 5ht century. They burned it down and insisted on their ideology until Aquinas loosened the reins a bit with his position on natural law 7 centuries later.

What does this have to do with the writing off Randy Gregory? You have a serious problem with going on tangents and derailing threads.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

what I am pointing out is because other business may allow certain things away from work does not mean the NFL has to follow suite, they have every right and courts have backed this to lay down rules. Your right a business can enact or not that is their choice you seem to want to take away that choice from a business, because you disagree with them?

Sure the NFL doesn't have to follow suit. At the same time, does the NFL bow to sponsor pressure and public opinion or not?

If you want to ignore their past behavior then go ahead.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What does this have to do with the writing off Randy Gregory? You have a serious problem with going on tangents and derailing threads.

I wasn't the one who brought up the fall of Rome and morality. Try and keep up. You trying to moderate is adorable though.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sure the NFL doesn't have to follow suit. At the same time, does the NFL bow to sponsor pressure and public opinion or not?

If you want to ignore their past behavior then go ahead.

Public pressure? Because public does not care that a airline pilot is getting high we should allow it? If one day the NFL choose to alter their rules then fine I don't think public pressure about players getting high will be the reason for it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Public pressure? Because public does not care that a airline pilot is getting high we should allow it? If one day the NFL choose to alter their rules then fine I don't think public pressure about players getting high will be the reason for it.

Who is advocating allowing flying while intoxicated? You are getting upset and as it worsens you lose coherency.

 

[Rogerthat12]

What is the ad hominem?

You said all you do is laugh carefree while I am abusive. That is a fact.

Your story rings hollow to me. That is a fact.

Bosa was the top DE selected in the draft. That is a fact.

I just think that when you get upset you think it is ad hominem. The trying to hold onto an argument a month old is absolutely delicious.

More of the same, Ad Hominem is is how you relate to people that disagree with you.

I could care less that you were wrong about Brugler and were proven wrong on the matter.

Go look at your responses throughout these threads or do I need to copy/paste them for you?

There is no story, just your opinion which matters not to me.

You condescend without merit or warrant and you are consistent.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

More of the same, Ad Hominem is is how you relate to people that disagree with you.

I could care less that you were wrong about Brugler and were proven wrong on the matter.

Go look at your responses throughout these threads or do I need to copy/paste them for you?

There is no story, just your opinion which matters not to me.

You condescend without merit or warrant and you are consistent.

Brugler was all over the place but at the end of the day Bosa was 3rd on his board above Spence. IF you want to wallow in month old minutiae no one cares about then go ahead.

Your take of "I condescend without merit" speaks to my comment about you being upset because I made you feel stupid. Saying something along the lines of "you're not as smart as you think you are" will do that as does your desperate crusade to try and prove it.

BTW ad hominem means "of the man" and that is all you are doing here. You got Fuzzy on the brain. I imagine at this point you read my posts and get reflexively mad at my tone. Like I said you are hardly the first to come at me like this.

 

[Denim Chicken]

The NFL is a private organization and can do what they please in regard to substance testing. I do not agree that they should necessary include marijuana on their list, but I can understand why they choose to do so.

The NFL is hanging on to the facade that their players are role models--fine, upstanding citizens who work hard and excel in a sport they love. Now, most of us know better. Yes, there are some fine examples of the players that they want to feature, but I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that at least half the league is made up of individuals that would not live up to those standards.

Now imagine a scenario where the leauge stops testing for marijuana. Player's start tweeting pictures and videos like Tunsil on draft day. While some may not attribute this as a negative, I believe there are many parents who would not like their children subject to this imagery. Since this would not be the leauge's only issue with their image, they certainly don't want to pile on.

 

[Doomsday101]

Who is advocating allowing flying while intoxicated? You are getting upset and as it worsens you lose coherency.

lol, not getting upset about anything. What I am saying is they have a right to enact rules like it or not but it is their rules and if players want to play they will follow them or they will be out of the league it is simple as that. One day if they choose to change it fine but right now we have players incapable of following simple fricken rules, they are given ample opportunity more so than what many employers give and you are signing sad songs about mistreatment of players? lol Their own damn union has agreed to this so give it a rest.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

lol, not getting upset about anything. What I am saying is they have a right to enact rules like it or not but it is their rules and if players want to play they will follow them or they will be out of the league it is simple as that. One day if they choose to change it fine but right now we have players incapable of following simple fricken rules, they are given ample opportunity more so than what many employers give and you are signing sad songs about mistreatment of players? lol Their own damn union has agreed to this so give it a rest.

You using expletives and what not belie your non-caring attitude. No one ever gets upset on the interwebs as if stoicism is a virtue. It's interesting posturing but you have to look at actions as opposed to words.

 

[Doomsday101]

You using expletives and what not belie your non-caring attitude. No one ever gets upset on the interwebs as if stoicism is a virtue. It's interesting posturing but you have to look at actions as opposed to words.

All I can tell you is I am not upset I just find this ridicules how some will try to excuse the actions of players, their union has approved it and many players asked that the NFL get tougher on off the field actions by players including Jason Witten who was one of several players who went to Goodell a few years back wanting to see the league clean up its image. I don’t blame them who want to be part of the National Felons League? It matters to many players yet they get lumped into the pot heads as if everyone who is playing is out getting stoned and causing problems when the fact it that is not the reality.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Brugler was all over the place but at the end of the day Bosa was 3rd on his board above Spence. IF you want to wallow in month old minutiae no one cares about then go ahead.

Your take of "I condescend without merit" speaks to my comment about you being upset because I made you feel stupid. Saying something along the lines of "you're not as smart as you think you are" will do that as does your desperate crusade to try and prove it.

BTW ad hominem means "of the man" and that is all you are doing here. You got Fuzzy on the brain. I imagine at this point you read my posts and get reflexively mad at my tone. Like I said you are hardly the first to come at me like this.

I know you have a desperate need to feel superior to others by condescending in your approach but you certainly have not made me feel stupid especially when you were wrong in your argumentation of what was under contention with regard to our Brugler exchange.

Brugler was specific in saying Bosa was the better DE and overall player but Spence was the better pure pass rusher, I provided at least 4 video clips with him literally stating this and you continued in your denial because it refuted your Bosa argument on the subject.

Further, there is no contradiction or confusion when Brugler argued that Bosa was the better overall DE prospect and player but NOT the better pure pass rusher, basic logic informs you that these are not contradictory statements.

Your logic is poor again, logic is my field and the Ad Hominem Argumentum Abusive Fallacy does not simply mean "of the man" it is attacking the man not the cogency of the argument, something you engage in constantly.

I am not attacking you at all, simply describing what you do when you are proven wrong and/or someone disagrees with your perspective.

Front brain, Back Brain, Stupid..ect...just supports the use of abusive fallacy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

All I can tell you is I am not upset I just find this ridicules how some will try to excuse the actions of players, their union has approved it and many players asked that the NFL get tougher on off the field actions by players including Jason Witten who was one of several players who went to Goodell a few years back wanting to see the league clean up its image. I don’t blame them who want to be part of the National Felons League? It matters to many players yet they get lumped into the pot heads as if everyone who is playing is out getting stoned and causing problems when the fact it that is not the reality.

NFL drug policy was put in during the Nixon administration and the beginning of the war on drugs. It had nothing to do with the overreaction to Ray Rice and Greg Hardy. Nixon's basis for his crusade was to combat his political enemies. The history between Rozelle and Nixon cannot be ignored.

 

[Doomsday101]

NFL drug policy was put in during the Nixon administration and the beginning of the war on drugs. It had nothing to do with the overreaction to Ray Rice and Greg Hardy. Nixon's basis for his crusade was to combat his political enemies. The history between Rozelle and Nixon cannot be ignored.

and that policy has also been altered and approved by the NFLPA and voted on by players. I don't care when the policy was 1st put into place what I care about is players following the rules so that they are not missing games because they are too stupid to get it. There is the way you want it and then there is the way it is. The choice is on the players if they break the rules they will face the punishment and again frankly it is not tough rules. hell they allow players to have 3 failed test before they get 4 games, they give them counseling to assist them and of course the right to appeal to a Independent Arbitrator

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I know you have a desperate need to feel superior to others by condescending in your approach but you certainly have not made me feel stupid especially when you were wrong in your argumentation of what was under contention with regard to our Brugler exchange.

Brugler was specific in saying Bosa was the better DE and overall player but Spence was the better pure pass rusher, I provided at least 4 video clips with him literally stating this and you continued in your denial because it refuted your Bosa argument on the subject.

Further, there is no contradiction or confusion when Brugler argued that Bosa was the better overall DE prospect and player but NOT the better pure pass rusher, basic logic informs you that these are not contradictory statements.

Your logic is poor again, logic is my field and the Ad Hominem Argumentum Abusive Fallacy does not simply mean "of the man" it is attacking the man not the cogency of the argument, something you engage in constantly.

I am not attacking you at all, simply describing what you do when you are proven wrong and/or someone disagrees with your perspective.

Front brain, Back Brain, Stupid..ect...just supports the use of abusive fallacy.

Who said I feel superior to others? You get that impression and it bothers you obviously but speak for yourself.

Ad hominem is a latin phrase that means what I said. It is interesting that you find it abusive and then I see you here doing it yourself. Wouldn't that make you abusive by your own logic?

BTW you are awful at deduction. You should look up what mutually exclusive means. For example, 'describing what I do' can be an attack when it is derisive. You are saying I act smart but really am not and that I am abusive. I think you overreact to confrontation and need to get over yourself.

I never call anyone stupid btw. I am actually very careful about that. It's the difference between discussing someone and discussing their ideas but nuance is often lost.

On a final note it is very clear that you have no clue what I am talking about regarding front brain and back brain. I am talking about a romantic versus empirical outlook. I couch it in those terms because executive function is front brain while emotional intelligence is back brain. You're the one that applies the value judgment. I find both have their places.