Everyone is writing Randy Gregory off. I'm not

[Chuck 54]

Insurer's won't cover liability for illegal activity. It's a circular argument to point to that as a character flaw beyond that. One of the things they are grappling with in the insurance industry right now is how to reform liability standards in states where it's legal. It takes time and litigation for that process to complete but it's not going the way you would have it seem.

The DEA has made it extremely difficult to license pot for testing. You making claims about what physicians think like you are qualified to do so is amusing. In fact, many doctors now prescribe marijuana across the US. Times are changing and the writing is on the wall.

Once again, you like the other poster bring lots of bias to the equation without knowing diddly. I have personal knowledge about both weed and opiates, and I've talked to therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists in dealing with family issues that encompass depression, anxiety, and addiction. I don't claim anything as an opinion....that's the folly of blowhards who think they actually know something they don't. I merely relay facts that you cannot argue against in any way because they are facts. I stated that people in finance and even construction lose jobs based on drug tests failed due to weed. That's a fact because friends and family have experienced it. I also stated that doctors still view it as a gateway drug; you and your insults cannot deny that---I've heard it personally from counsellors and psychologists and psychiatrists.

You can argue all you want with what they say or how silly it is for businesses and construction companies to fire people for having it in their drug tests. I find it ridiculous myself, but I shared only one opinion in my post that isn't an undeniable fact, and that was my opinion that the NFL will not change its stance on weed any time soon.

Read again....I didn't claim to support that stance. I find alcohol much more destructive than weed, but I reported what doctors and addiction "experts" dealing with family members have stated. I don't say it's a fact, merely that they say it.

 

[tyke1doe]

There was talk about Gregory during "The Ticket's" draft coverage...

They said "it" was a combination of:

1. Getting hurt the first game of the season and being on the sidelines for so long.
2. When he was finally healthy enough to play he didn't get much in the way of snaps.
3. Greg Hardy.

I dislike using the term "mentally fragile" but I think it's an apt description. I think the kid has a tough time handling set-backs and he's easily led astray.

Out of curiosity, how was Hardy a bad influence on him? Was Hardy smoking pot too or encouraging Gregory to light it up?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Out of curiosity, how was Hardy a bad influence on him? Was Hardy smoking pot too or encouraging Gregory to light it up?

I'd say an example of unprofessional behavior, how you don't have to work hard and everything will still be fine, because at the end of the day, Hardy made a lot of money.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Out of curiosity, how was Hardy a bad influence on him? Was Hardy smoking pot too or encouraging Gregory to light it up?

They didn't go into detail... Except to say Hardy held a lot of sway with the defensive linemen.

They did say Gregory had issues dealing with the long injury layoff and the coming back and not playing.

The kid probably got very depressed and did the wrong thing.

 

[Ren]

He'll be gone within 2 years tons of potential but to stupid to realize it

 

[BubbleScreen]

I get it. He was seemed genuinely sorry for his draft mistake and said all the right things to make us believe that he was going to put the doobies down and focus on becoming a dominate football player. And instead, the dude burns us and fails a few drug tests. It's irritating and ticks me off too. Especially after he said it wouldn't happen again. So I understand why people are writing him off.

But if he can lay off the chronic after he comes back, he could be a difference maker for this defense. There's a reason why he was a top 5 talent in his draft class. He's a special talent. He flashed it last preseason and before his injury last year. And he has a year under his belt now.

I think he will be a force when he comes back. He and Lawrence both. Add Collins, Thornton, Mayowa, Tapper and a healthy Crawford to those two, and I think our pass rush will be better than what people expect.

"If he can lay off the chronic", that's silly talk now. Gregory couldn't lay off for the combine, he couldn't lay off to actually play football, and he's two more suspensions away from a lifetime ban. I hope for his sake he can do it, but the odds are way, way against a successful career for Randy.

Jaylon Smith has a much better chance of being a player than Gregory.

 

[Sasquatch]

A related question: was this a good pick despite the risk? I admit I was not a fan but was hopeful that it would pan out.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Once again, you like the other poster bring lots of bias to the equation without knowing diddly. I have personal knowledge about both weed and opiates, and I've talked to therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists in dealing with family issues that encompass depression, anxiety, and addiction. I don't claim anything as an opinion....that's the folly of blowhards who think they actually know something they don't. I merely relay facts that you cannot argue against in any way because they are facts. I stated that people in finance and even construction lose jobs based on drug tests failed due to weed. That's a fact because friends and family have experienced it. I also stated that doctors still view it as a gateway drug; you and your insults cannot deny that---I've heard it personally from counsellors and psychologists and psychiatrists.

You can argue all you want with what they say or how silly it is for businesses and construction companies to fire people for having it in their drug tests. I find it ridiculous myself, but I shared only one opinion in my post that isn't an undeniable fact, and that was my opinion that the NFL will not change its stance on weed any time soon.

Read again....I didn't claim to support that stance. I find alcohol much more destructive than weed, but I reported what doctors and addiction "experts" dealing with family members have stated. I don't say it's a fact, merely that they say it.

Are you going to address the insurance angle? Businesses drug test primarily because insurance companies require it for liability and workers comp coverage. All the construction companies that you mention fall under that category because of how licensing works. All I see is a bunch of handwaving that assumes you are right about business opinion concerning marijuana use.

At the end of the day though drug testing particular regular drug testing is very expensive. Companies that are interested in maximizing profits try to limit cost. Please show me one study that links workplace accidents to off the job marijuana use.

What this sounds to me is that you have an acquaintance that had a drug problem and you are projecting your angst. 'Gateway drugs' is an arbitrary categorization such as to demonize by association much like schedule 1 and the rest of DEA policy since 1972.

Spare me your nonsense as if you are some sort of expert because you went to your acquaintance's therapy sessions sessions. I am arguing on merit and you attempts at big timing are worthless on an anonymous internet forum. Show it or shut up.

There are multiple states that allow medical and recreational marijuana use now. Licensed medical doctors prescribe it across the US. TWENTY states are voting to legalize pot in 2016 from Florida to Massachusetts to California. You can wave your fists and decry the descent of man all you like but at the end of the day the electorate will speak and the new voters trend is obvious.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

They didn't go into detail... Except to say Hardy held a lot of sway with the defensive linemen.

They did say Gregory had issues dealing with the long injury layoff and the coming back and not playing.

The kid probably got very depressed and did the wrong thing.

Not that you are, but I don't think it's fair to lay all blame at Hardy's feet, but it seems in this lost season, he cost us a 4th rounder (for Murray) and was a progress stopper (Gregory). Easily one of the worsts signings by us in a decade plus.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I get it. He was seemed genuinely sorry for his draft mistake and said all the right things to make us believe that he was going to put the doobies down and focus on becoming a dominate football player. And instead, the dude burns us and fails a few drug tests. It's irritating and ticks me off too. Especially after he said it wouldn't happen again. So I understand why people are writing him off.

But if he can lay off the chronic after he comes back, he could be a difference maker for this defense. There's a reason why he was a top 5 talent in his draft class. He's a special talent. He flashed it last preseason and before his injury last year. And he has a year under his belt now.

I think he will be a force when he comes back. He and Lawrence both. Add Collins, Thornton, Mayowa, Tapper and a healthy Crawford to those two, and I think our pass rush will be better than what people expect.

I say, reverse logic day, mates!
No, but seriously, blokes, R. Gregory wrote himself off waaaay before any fans did. As long as we are clear on that.
Why, the lad is just a good candidate for reform school and luckily, NFL security is on it.
Do not blame the fan, please, old boy! Give us a smile and off with you.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Out of curiosity, how was Hardy a bad influence on him?

All of Hardy's bad habits. Well documented.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Yeah, IF he can stay off the chronic.Might as well ask a TCU coed to not wear aqua net, or Wilmer at the 4-Points Bar to drink seltzer.
Listen, as a former real estate investigator I can tell you stories of "staying off the stuff"
It does not work. Yeah, you can go a day, maybe 2 days if your mom or wife do not yell at you. But as your sweat-faced mug looks up at the clock, you know you have to spend time with muggles. Yeah, that is right, marihuana, cultivated to make the western world succumb. Once lady pungent embraces you you are hers . Again, only dopes use dope and dopes cannot just decide to "get off": they have to crawl back like Gene Krupa after he could no longer drum and be hip and be enslaved to muggles, pot, weed, Mrs. Polunsky. The devil's weed, avoid it.

 

[speedkilz88]

A related question: was this a good pick despite the risk? I admit I was not a fan but was hopeful that it would pan out.

Gregory had top ten talent, was considered the best pass rusher in that class last year.

 

[cowboyuptx]

Baloney....Jerry said it. You can have all the talent and capability in the world but, if you're not available you're not worth the investment
in time, money or trust. By the way, this is employment and Weed is a Federal crime. Employers can test you any time they see fit and
if you had a regular job, you would know that. Oh, by the way, in most industries, you can be fired at will for failing a drug test.

I don't give a darn about "federal", the states have their own laws and constitutions, and weed has basically been legalized in like 4 different states that have NFL teams. Most employers can test you anytime they want, but in this case it can only happen if the Players Union submits to it in the CBA. The players do have a lot of pull when it comes to negotiating new CBA's, they are the product after all, and there have been so many prominent players who have lost millions over failing drug tests for weed, and weed is no big deal, it's pretty harmless, so I would hope that the NFLPA would stand up for their players next time. Such a large percentage of people in this country smoke weed, and probably close to half of all NFL players do it, so this will never cease to be an issue for the NFL.

The NFL should be forward thinking and approach marijuana as a legitimate medicinal drug, and therefore stop testing players for it... I mean it's not like the NFL is afraid to take a political stance, they seem to have no problem demonizing gun-owners and taking strong stances against the 2nd amendment. The league makes me sick with their holier than thou attitude and their willingness to cave to anything the left deems politically correct, no matter how asinine it might be, like "gender-neutral" bathrooms coming to a stadium near you.

 

[LittleD]

I don't give a darn about "federal", the states have their own laws and constitutions, and weed has basically been legalized in like 4 different states that have NFL teams. Most employers can test you anytime they want, but in this case it can only happen if the Players Union submits to it in the CBA. The players do have a lot of pull when it comes to negotiating new CBA's, they are the product after all, and there have been so many prominent players who have lost millions over failing drug tests for weed, and weed is no big deal, it's pretty harmless, so I would hope that the NFLPA would stand up for their players next time. Such a large percentage of people in this country smoke weed, and probably close to half of all NFL players do it, so this will never cease to be an issue for the NFL.

The NFL should be forward thinking and approach marijuana as a legitimate medicinal drug, and therefore stop testing players for it... I mean it's not like the NFL is afraid to take a political stance, they seem to have no problem demonizing gun-owners and taking strong stances against the 2nd amendment. The league makes me sick with their holier than thou attitude and their willingness to cave to anything the left deems politically correct, no matter how asinine it might be, like "gender-neutral" bathrooms coming to a stadium near you.

Maybe you should start following another sport like Curling or Bowling. Federal law trumps State law in every case. If the Feds want to test
and intervene in these Liberal States that have passed MJ laws they can and would win in Federal court. Yes the NFLPA could try and get the NFL
drug testing removed from the CBA but, they know that's a loser with the Public Relations war and besides, the NFLPA just wants more money
and benefits and isn't going to argue long for relaxed drug testing rules. Your agenda is clear but, the majority of the American public doesn't agree with
you. No RED state is going to vote MJ laws in my friend.

 

[LittleD]

I don't smoke MJ or cigarettes. And I agree there can be MJ dependence. But literature I've read says MJ, unlike heroin, alcohol, etc., does not have physiological withdrawal symptoms, only psychological withdrawal symptoms. To me, that makes it a dependence not an addiction. But I agree with you, it is hard work to beat the dependence. But it starts with a choice to want to...

You guys live in never...never land. I suppose there is no such thing as a Pothead either. I have seen people who have
been using MJ for years and they can function or think in the real world. There are real, negative effects to long term MJ use
just like cigarettes. MJ just like alcohol has long term negative effects on the body. No one, without an agenda, can deny that.
MJ will still be classified as a drug and the NFL can test as long as they wish. If you do the crime, you must do your time fellow.

 

[LittleD]

I'm not writing Randy Gregory off at all; I just never wrote him on. The guy has too much baggage to ever be considered dependable. If the defense is considered a wedding cake, Gregory is the icing left in the frosting bag.

Gregory is just like Hardy. They can't be depended upon. It's time to cut bait now and move on. We will find other
players who are not addicted to drugs that want a good paying job in the NFL and who can be depended upon to stay
clean. It's time to let Witten pick who stays and who goes.

 

[LittleD]

All you tough guys in here.

It's ridiculous that the NFL treats marijuana like a PED

Wrong, its ridiculous that you visit this board. I'm sure you can find some drug sites you like more than football.

 

[LittleD]

The fact that you demonize marijuana, and then turn around and praise pharmaceuticals anti depression pills is not only downright comical, its flat out wrong.

Sure, stuff these pills down your throat that changes your chemical disposition, but don't you dare smoke a plant. Get outta here with that flawed logic.

Not to mention completely giving tobacco and alcohol a complete pass for being the gateway drugs they are.

I don't think any of these vices are necessary or helpful. I think we should triple the taxes on all these addictive drugs that
cause society problems. Maybe we could then pay off our national debt and have decent healthcare.

 

[LittleD]

Are you going to address the insurance angle? Businesses drug test primarily because insurance companies require it for liability and workers comp coverage. All the construction companies that you mention fall under that category because of how licensing works. All I see is a bunch of handwaving that assumes you are right about business opinion concerning marijuana use.

At the end of the day though drug testing particular regular drug testing is very expensive. Companies that are interested in maximizing profits try to limit cost. Please show me one study that links workplace accidents to off the job marijuana use.

What this sounds to me is that you have an acquaintance that had a drug problem and you are projecting your angst. 'Gateway drugs' is an arbitrary categorization such as to demonize by association much like schedule 1 and the rest of DEA policy since 1972.

Spare me your nonsense as if you are some sort of expert because you went to your acquaintance's therapy sessions sessions. I am arguing on merit and you attempts at big timing are worthless on an anonymous internet forum. Show it or shut up.

There are multiple states that allow medical and recreational marijuana use now. Licensed medical doctors prescribe it across the US. TWENTY states are voting to legalize pot in 2016 from Florida to Massachusetts to California. You can wave your fists and decry the descent of man all you like but at the end of the day the electorate will speak and the new voters trend is obvious.

What a complete and utter fool you are. Do you think MJ, cigarettes or alcohol makes society better or worse? Just because ignorant people vote
for something doesn't mean it's good or healthy for them. I can only hope our children, which are our future, don't become a community of potheads
or alcoholics. What a terrible shame that would be.