Explain this to me....why bring Orton back?

[btcutter]

Not sure realistic is the word I would use. This team won 8 games a year ago, and you want them to start tanking in April. I think dramatic is a better word to describe this thread. You think Weeden is a better qb at this point? I'd work with that. You want to draft a qb and cut Orton? I could work with that. When you're logic is cut him for a better draft pick... that's sad.

This tread was about not about tanking but rather trying to figure out how to save cap space, utilize younger players and develop draft pick along with getting better for the future of the franchise. I never said cut Orton to get a better pick. Orton is a back up QB that will cost $3-4 million in cap space compared to Weeden ($500K).

The rationale for cutting Orton was so that we save a few million dollars which we can use to extend Tyon and Dez. In addition, IMHO if Romo goes down this team really has no chance (given the head coach and the D). Then it's time to see what Weeden or a drafted young gun (yes, I want us to draft a QB) can do. I don't need another end of road QB to get us to another 8-8 season. I want some hope for the future beyond Romo and that doesn't spell Orton.

 

[thunderpimp91]

This tread was about not about tanking but rather trying to figure out how to save cap space, utilize younger players and develop draft pick along with getting better for the future of the franchise. I never said cut Orton to get a better pick. Orton is a back up QB that will cost $3-4 million in cap space compared to Weeden ($500K).

The rationale for cutting Orton was so that we save a few million dollars which we can use to extend Tyon and Dez. In addition, IMHO if Romo goes down this team really has no chance (given the head coach and the D). Then it's time to see what Weeden or a drafted young gun (yes, I want us to draft a QB) can do. I don't need another end of road QB to get us to another 8-8 season. I want some hope for the future beyond Romo and that doesn't spell Orton.

If we draft a qb, especially early, then I am with you as Orton really serves no purpose. Still though you are saying that if Romo goes down for a couple games our season is over. As it stands right now if Romo gets hurt and we need a backup qb to play against Jacksonville I'll take Orton and give my team a good chance to win. If Jerry goes with Weeded and comes away with a loss and another 8-8 season in that scenario he adds to his reputation as terrible GM.

 

[btcutter]

If we draft a qb, especially early, then I am with you as Orton really serves no purpose. Still though you are saying that if Romo goes down for a couple games our season is over. As it stands right now if Romo gets hurt and we need a backup qb to play against Jacksonville I'll take Orton and give my team a good chance to win. If Jerry goes with Weeded and comes away with a loss and another 8-8 season in that scenario he adds to his reputation as terrible GM.

Orton may give us a better chance to win than Weeden (may). But do you really believe that Orton can take us into the playoffs and beyond? IMHO, Big NO. Not with this team's current talent level. He may be able to do that with Seattle or SF but not this Cowboy team. Then why do we keep kidding ourselves with playing Orton just to get another (at best) 8-8 season? I am just being realistic. Of course that's just my view.
The only purpose that I have Orton on my roster now is so he can throw the ball while Romo recovers. Once training camp is done. I would trade or cut him and let Weeden and hopefully a draftee be backups and use the cap money for our future.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Orton may give us a better chance to win than Weeden (may). But do you really believe that Orton can take us into the playoffs and beyond? IMHO, Big NO. Not with this team's current talent level. He may be able to do that with Seattle or SF but not this Cowboy team. Then why do we keep kidding ourselves with playing Orton just to get another (at best) 8-8 season? I am just being realistic. Of course that's just my view.
The only purpose that I have Orton on my roster now is so he can throw the ball while Romo recovers. Once training camp is done. I would trade or cut him and let Weeden and hopefully a draftee be backups and use the cap money for our future.

I Agree that Orton wont be leading this team through the playoffs. Last seasons loss to Philly really didn't hurt at all simply because I gave us no chance at winning a playoff game. You're only considering a scenario where a qb goes down and never comes back though. Very few teams are prepared for that type of scenario. Most backup QBs are there to play a game or two until the starter can come back, and that's a scenario you have failed to acknowledge.

 

[Rockport]

Can't we save 3-4 million if we cut Orton?

At this stage of this franchise if Romo gets hurt then I rather this team suck and get a top pick next yr than to be average (already there) to below average and getting a 10-20 pick again.

Keep Weedon and pick a QB in the draft to develop. If Romo goes down then fine....rebuild with a high draft pick. Stop kidding ourselves with Orton will step in and save the season bullcrap!

We keep Orton because he's pretty damn good. If Romo goes down game 14 and we need 1 win in the next 2 to go to the playoffs, he gives us a much better chance than Weeden based on both's performances to date.

 

[btcutter]

I Agree that Orton wont be leading this team through the playoffs. Last seasons loss to Philly really didn't hurt at all simply because I gave us no chance at winning a playoff game. You're only considering a scenario where a qb goes down and never comes back though. Very few teams are prepared for that type of scenario. Most backup QBs are there to play a game or two until the starter can come back, and that's a scenario you have failed to acknowledge.

I guess I feel Weeden could perform for 1-2 games at a much discounted price. It's a matter of cost/benefit.

 

[JohnsKey19]

It is definitely time to draft a legitimate future starting QB. If they do so, Orton probably will be cut.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

So I gather (i hear that term in europe movies) that Orton has signaled he will definitely be back and grase us with his bus driver talents?

In a season that will likely end up 7-9 (if we be fortunate), why not just put Weedon in and let him learn and grow?
Orton would be a bus driver to nowhere.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I guess I feel Weeden could perform for 1-2 games at a much discounted price. It's a matter of cost/benefit.

If you believe that Weeded is a better stop gap player than Orton then yes Orton should be cut, and I'm fine with that reasoning. Other than that I see no reason to cut him right now.

 

[rwill784]

I really like Pryor, but he doesn't fit our system. You would almost have to create a separate playbook if Romo gets hurt.

How so? Remember Romo used to be a scrambler Garrett can cater the offense towards him. He made a offense built for Romo a athletic qb as opposed to the human statue drew Bledsoe.

 

[dstovall5]

We already suck. You must be talking about Super Sucking.

You said we suck, here's 100+ likes from the other extremist. By the way, we went 8-8, not 4-12.

 

[thunderpimp91]

How so? Remember Romo used to be a scrambler Garrett can cater the offense towards him. He made a offense built for Romo a athletic qb as opposed to the human statue drew Bledsoe.

1)This offense was way different 5 years ago.
2)There is a huge difference between a qb who can scramble and a qb built to run. Romo could escape the pocket and make people miss, but hardly ran. Pryors only plus tool is his legs. His arm is average to below average by NFL standards. Ask him to throw the ball around like Tony Romo and you're in trouble. Pryor needs a team that uses plays/formations that go with his skill set. We don't have designed runs for the QB, we don't use the pistol, we don't roll out our qb, etc. Could we? Sure...but I'm not for taking the time to make a separate game plan each week in case your starter goes down.

 

[rwill784]

1)This offense was way different 5 years ago.
2)There is a huge difference between a qb who can scramble and a qb built to run. Romo could escape the pocket and make people miss, but hardly ran. Pryors only plus tool is his legs. His arm is average to below average by NFL standards. Ask him to throw the ball around like Tony Romo and you're in trouble. Pryor needs a team that uses plays/formations that go with his skill set. We don't have designed runs for the QB, we don't use the pistol, we don't roll out our qb, etc. Could we? Sure...but I'm not for taking the time to make a separate game plan each week in case your starter goes down.

I understand, but I believe a good coach and offensive mind can make a offense just for Pryor.

And let's not act like he's a set veteran, he's still a kid his accuracy is nowhere near bad, it needs work and a veteran to teach him to better use his skills.

Is he Cam? No
Is he Tebow accurate?? heck no
He hasn't reached his ceiling yet

 

[thunderpimp91]

I understand, but I believe a good coach and offensive mind can make a offense just for Pryor.

And let's not act like he's a set veteran, he's still a kid his accuracy is nowhere near bad, it needs work and a veteran to teach him to better use his skills.

Is he Cam? No
Is he Tebow accurate?? heck no
He hasn't reached his ceiling yet

I can't disagree with that. The ceiling for this guy is very high, and honestly I would welcome him to Dallas with open arms. And maybe they would bring him in with the intentions of grooming him and let him start after Romo is gone, wouldn't hate that at all. I just don't think the right way to go is to make an offense just for Pryor if hes going to be your #2 this year. If I were a Cleveland, Jacksonville, etc. I would bring him in in a heart beat and roll the dice. For the Cowboys in 2014 do I think he gives us the best chance to win without completely changing the game plan? Nope. Is that highly debatable as the guys talent is through the roof? sure. Do I see any of that happening? No.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Cause if Romo go down Orton gives us the best chance to go to the Super Bowl.