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The Ominous;3480448 said:
I take it you're a Commanders fan posing and roaming around with "ROYTHEHAMMER" and a Dat Nguyen sig.

Just like the DeadSkins, your act is tired and old. And honestly I don't give a flying piece of **** if you're a Cowboys fan or not, because in my eyes you aren't even close to one. Defending our enemies left and right. Oh, you live in Pennsylvania. Got it now.

Not defending anyone. Providing information. Sorry i didn't realize that a prerequisite for being a Cowboys fan meant you had to be a raging homer as well. And that you have to live in specific locations. lol

...and you really think i or anyone else cares about what's right "in your eyes"? Go troll somewhere else man. I may be a Cowboys fan but i respect good players.
 

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RoyTheHammer;3480459 said:
Not defending anyone. Providing information. Sorry i didn't realize that a prerequisite for being a Cowboys fan meant you had to be a raging homer as well. And that you have to live in specific locations. lol

...and you really think i or anyone else cares about what's right "in your eyes"? Go troll somewhere else man. I may be a Cowboys fan but i respect good players.

But you're not a Cowboys fan. I know it. You know it. And everyone else knows it. If I am the troll, at least I love my team and defend THEM. Not some aging garbage QB that we beat THREE TIMES IN A ROW or a coach that hasn't even looked at grass in two years. The writing is one the wall my foolish friend.
 

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The Ominous;3480466 said:
But you're not a Cowboys fan. I know it. You know it. And everyone else knows it. If I am the troll, at least I love my team and defend THEM. Not some aging garbage QB that we beat THREE TIMES IN A ROW or a coach that hasn't even looked at grass in two years. The writing is one the wall my foolish friend.

If you have any actual information to post that contradicts my own, feel free to post it. Until then im not going to turn this thread into a personal argument.

IMO, and the opinion of many other Cowboys fans here in the thread if you wish to read it, McNabb is a substantial upgrade to what they had before and on that basis alone the Commanders will be a more competitive team this year. He's a proven winner and has experience putting up good numbers even with questionable talent around him especially at the WR spot.

That being said i guess i have to put a disclaimer in my posts now.. yes, this is coming from a Cowboys fan who doesn't feel the need to bash everyother team for no reason and will give credit where it is due to good players, coaches, etc. lol

:rolleyes:
 

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I hope the Commanders are better.

Maybe then the Cowboys-Commanders rivalry will finally heat up again, for the 5 minutes that McNabb and the RBs have left in this league.

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SkinsandTerps;3480059 said:
Can't this offseason end already.

We are all clamouring for that Sunday Night matchup.

Let's settle it on the field.
I'm not so sure about 'all'. cowboyszone is very anxious for the season as a whole based on the enormously valid potential for a successful campaign. Heck, the Super Bowl is even being hosted in our backyard. The ultimate goal for Dallas is higher than any other team's this season for that reason alone.

Cowboys/Commanders remains a top rivalry in my opinion. Still, I believe the ratio of fans 'clamouring' for week one weighs heavily in Washington's favor in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with it. It just comes from different sets of overall expectations.
 

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The Ominous;3480466 said:
But you're not a Cowboys fan. I know it. You know it. And everyone else knows it. If I am the troll, at least I love my team and defend THEM. Not some aging garbage QB that we beat THREE TIMES IN A ROW or a coach that hasn't even looked at grass in two years. The writing is one the wall my foolish friend.

I don't. Have to agree the Commanders have improved. Yes we beat him 3 times but Mcnabb's Eagles also had very good games against us in his career. 44-6 was not that long ago. The Commanders also improved their offensive line, a running game, and hired a coach that actually knows how to call plays. Their defense has always been good. 9-7 is a realistic record. Will they make the playoffs and beat the Cowboys, no way in hell.
 

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You are what you are. The Skins were a 4-12 team last year, which is horrible. Now they've made improvements to their roster, but that's still a long way to go from horrible to good. And because football is the ultimate team sport, adding better players doesn't guarantee more success. Who can forget the 2006 Commanders who were supposed to be Super Bowl bound with the additions of Achuleta, Carter, Lloyd, Randle El and others? They wound up going 5-11 and that was with the almighty Joe Gibbs as head coach.





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Yakuza Rich;3480543 said:
You are what you are. The Skins were a 4-12 team last year, which is horrible. Now they've made improvements to their roster, but that's still a long way to go from horrible to good. And because football is the ultimate team sport, adding better players doesn't guarantee more success. Who can forget the 2006 Commanders who were supposed to be Super Bowl bound with the additions of Achuleta, Carter, Lloyd, Randle El and others? They wound up going 5-11 and that was with the almighty Joe Gibbs as head coach.

And there are always the examples of the 1999 Rams (4-12 to Superbowl champs) and the 2008 Dolphins (1-15 to 11-5 with modest changes including bringing in a good vet QB).

My personal opinion, the team will be far better, split the division, but with a tough schedule only go 6-10

Wins vs Dallas, Philly, NYG, Lions, Rams, and an upset over the Colts at home
 

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Yakuza Rich;3480543 said:
You are what you are. The Skins were a 4-12 team last year, which is horrible. Now they've made improvements to their roster, but that's still a long way to go from horrible to good. And because football is the ultimate team sport, adding better players doesn't guarantee more success. Who can forget the 2006 Commanders who were supposed to be Super Bowl bound with the additions of Achuleta, Carter, Lloyd, Randle El and others? They wound up going 5-11 and that was with the almighty Joe Gibbs as head coach.
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I remember the 06 Commander chatter like it was yesterday. Lots of Cowboy fans were pissed at Jerry and Bill for not going after OC (Al Saunders) that the Commanders had went after and paid a truck load for as well.

Snyder was talking about there is no cap limit on coaching and that spending money in that area could give his team an advantage.

The Skins game is one I never take lightly, for whatever reason a lot of times the unexpected happens when we play them.
 

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firehawk350;3479846 said:
I like the way the Skins match up with Dallas. I really think the OL for Dallas ... has fallen off a bit and early camp reports are exactly promising either.

Just FYI...

From live chat at Cowboys practice, about 15 minutes ago:

Tim MacMahon (ESPNDallas): Doug Free has settled in and looks good. Marc Colombo is healthy again and looks steady. Kyle Kosier is an underrated player. Broaddus bashed Andre Gurode and Leonard Davis for poor performances last year, but he's been pretty impressed with their work so far in camp, particularly Davis.
 

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Those 2 teams played in a weak division and also had new offensive schemes that took awhile for opposing D-Coordinators to figure out how to stop. So unless Shanahan completely revamps his offense and the Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants turn to mush…it’s going to be a tough road to hoe for the Skins.

The bright spot is that from 2000-2006, the NFL averaged 4 playoff teams a season that would make the playoffs despite having a losing record the year prior. In 2007, there were only 2 teams that fit that mold. In 2008, it returned to the 4 teams who fit that mold. In 2009 it went back down to 2 (Green Bay and Cincinnati).

From studying these teams, the most common trait is that they usually have a veteran QB who would be at least labeled ‘decent.’ Of course, there are teams who make the jump from a losing record to the playoffs with a young, unproven but talented QB. But, more often than not it’s the teams with the veteran QB who is decent enough that gets them there.

The other big trait is the division they play in. A weak division filled with unstable teams usually makes it much easier to make that jump from loser to playoffs.

A trait that is a little less common is the head coach. The ones that fit best here are the coaches that have had success (made the playoffs) before with that particular team. Then the new and unproven coaches work the second best and then the successful coaches with other teams work the next best.

But, the big trait is the veteran QB who is at least decent. I think McNabb fits that mold, but the division is a real killer. I think the Bears fit the mold of a team ready to make a jump, but again the division is a killer.

In the 2000-2006 seasons when there was virtually 4 playoff teams each year that made the playoffs, that was usually due in part that the league would average about 14-16 teams with losing records. Only 12 teams had losing records, so I’m predicting 2-3 teams will make the jump from loser to playoffs.

The best candidates I see so far are:

Seattle – veteran in Hasselbeck. A coach who has had success in Carroll and a super weak division with the Cardinals having Leinart at QB.

Chicago – Cutler, Lovie…but a tough division. Perhaps if the Packers or Vikings fall. I’m more apt to say the Vikings given Favre’s age. I know he doesn’t get injured, but the odds tell me differently.

Kansas City – I’m not a Cassel fan, but I would label him as decent. Haley is that ‘new coach’ and more importantly, they play in a super weak division.

Washington – I’d probably give them more of a chance if they played in an easier division. We don’t know how Kolb will do in Philly. But I suspect the G-Men will be tough. I’d say that the NFC East has the best coaches of any division in the game.

Miami – Henne has the young and unproven label. Sparano had recent success with them. Division will be tough though.

Cleveland – Crazier things have happened and with Big Ben out for at least 4 games, that can give them the jump start they need. Mangini had some success with the Jets, making the playoffs. Delhomme is iffy. I’d probably label him decent overall, but he’s so streaky that he can either be really good or really awful.



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SkinsHokieFan;3480614 said:
And there are always the examples of the 1999 Rams (4-12 to Superbowl champs) and the 2008 Dolphins (1-15 to 11-5 with modest changes including bringing in a good vet QB).

My personal opinion, the team will be far better, split the division, but with a tough schedule only go 6-10

Wins vs Dallas, Philly, NYG, Lions, Rams, and an upset over the Colts at home
You really don't think your gonna beat Indy do you?, Why?, because of Shanny?, I think the Commanders get rolled in that game.
 

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AmishCowboy;3480832 said:
You really don't think your gonna beat Indy do you?, Why?, because of Shanny?, I think the Commanders get rolled in that game.

And wasn't Shanny and the Broncos Peyton's punching bag for years?




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SkinsHokieFan;3480614 said:
And there are always the examples of the 1999 Rams (4-12 to Superbowl champs) and the 2008 Dolphins (1-15 to 11-5 with modest changes including bringing in a good vet QB).

My personal opinion, the team will be far better, split the division, but with a tough schedule only go 6-10

Wins vs Dallas, Philly, NYG, Lions, Rams, and an upset over the Colts at home
I... kinda see your comparison with the current Commanders team and the 2008 Dolphins. There is a similarity of coaching and personnel there, so I would not argue the point.

However, making the comparison between the '99 Rams and this season's Washington team is stretching it a LOT. Head coaching? Okay. Quarterback? *meh* Defensive front four? There's a bit of breathing room.

Everything else?

Riggggght.
 

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AmishCowboy;3480832 said:
You really don't think your gonna beat Indy do you?, Why?, because of Shanny?, I think the Commanders get rolled in that game.

Sunday night at home, just a random hunch. There is always a shocker type game in a season.

The 1995 Commanders didn't belong on the same field as the Cowboys yet rolled over them twice
 

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DallasEast;3481103 said:
I... kinda see your comparison with the current Commanders team and the 2008 Dolphins. There is a similarity of coaching and personnel there, so I would not argue the point.

However, making the comparison between the '99 Rams and this season's Washington team is stretching it a LOT. Head coaching? Okay. Quarterback? *meh* Defensive front four? There's a bit of breathing room.

Everything else?

Riggggght.

Again, reading comprehension

Point out where I ever compared the 2010 Commanders to the greatest show on turf.

Nowhere.

I just gave an example of a team going from miserable to terrific in one season. It isn't unheard of
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3481125 said:
Again, reading comprehension

Point out where I ever compared the 2010 Commanders to the greatest show on turf.

Nowhere.

I just gave an example of a team going from miserable to terrific in one season. It isn't unheard of
There was not any reason to mention them then. It's the team which will provide the wins. Even with their previous season in mind, it's understandable why the Rams experienced the turnaround during the following season based upon coaching and personnel. You don't think someone snapped their fingers and suddenly they became the greatest show on turf do you?

Of course not. Based upon your own examples of turnarounds, the Commanders can expect their turnaround to be closer to that of '08 Miami's than the '99 Rams. How close is the only question. My guess is that there will be a three/four game difference less. Minimum.
 

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DallasEast;3481147 said:
Of course not. Based upon your own examples of turnarounds, the Commanders can expect their turnaround to be closer to that of '08 Miami's than the '99 Rams. How close is the only question. My guess is that there will be a three/four game difference less. Minimum.

That might be the most correct thing you finally said.

The reason to mention the Rams was again, the turnaround. An example of a team turning it on. Recall, they signed Trent Green from Washington that off season, but he got injured in the first pre-season game.

QB switch and things falling into place were the primary reason.

I have already stated I see the Commanders going 6-10. This could change based on how the team looks in pre-season, but I know pre-season is pretty meaningless.

The big thing is nowhere did I compare the Commanders of 2010 to the Rams of 1999, nor allude to any type of turnaround in a similar fashion, which you incorrectly asserted I did.
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3481163 said:
That might be the most correct thing you finally said.

The reason to mention the Rams was again, the turnaround. An example of a team turning it on. Recall, they signed Trent Green from Washington that off season, but he got injured in the first pre-season game.

QB switch and things falling into place were the primary reason.

I have already stated I see the Commanders going 6-10. This could change based on how the team looks in pre-season, but I know pre-season is pretty meaningless.

The big thing is nowhere did I compare the Commanders of 2010 to the Rams of 1999, nor allude to any type of turnaround in a similar fashion, which you incorrectly asserted I did.
Not a problem. We differ when questioning what will lead to a supposed turnaround in the win/loss column for any particular team, when it is suggested that the advancement or regression of said team is similar to that of another team. Admittedly, I try comparing relative tangibles which could be attributed to the changes, while you focus on wishful coincidences. It's all good.
 

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The Ominous;3480466 said:
But you're not a Cowboys fan. I know it. You know it. And everyone else knows it. If I am the troll, at least I love my team and defend THEM. Not some aging garbage QB that we beat THREE TIMES IN A ROW or a coach that hasn't even looked at grass in two years. The writing is one the wall my foolish friend.

I can vouch that RoyTheHammer is a Cowboys fan. I knew him at another forum years ago, and we recently exchanged PM's so I know it's the same guy and not another person with the same username.

Now . . . back on topic . . . Statistics or not, McNabb is a washed up, over-rated, has been.
 
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