Ezekiel Elliott vs Lamar Miller

[TwoDeep3]

I think Zeke will be great
But come on TD3. I know you know better than the above bolded statement.

Draft slots absolutely have measurable value based on what they can be traded for and what the rookie contracts cost.
It goes WAY beyond opinion. They can be bought and sold and they have a real price.

That 4th overall is worth about TWO mid to late 1st rounders.

Just a random example, but you literally could possibly (with trades) get your choice of a two of the following: Shaq Lawson, Paxton Lynch, Sheldon Rankins, Paxton Lynch, Josh Doctson, Treadwell, etc... for what we paid for Elliott, and still have all your remaining picks (from pick 34 on) still left.

Right, and all of those guys could very well be just guys compared to Elliot. Or vice versa.

It will take the same effort put into drafting the offensive line to make that defense gin. And all the scenarios of the trade down group still have not put together a package that will make this defense be top 5.

But this one player could very well make this long way from top 6 better because they are drinking gatorade and talking about the party after the game while Little E is breaking one off in the other team's defense.

Fisher was on the radio yesterday and made a comment that when you look at Elliott on TV, he doesn't look that big. But when you stand beside him and see him around the other players, you realize he is dang near the size of the linebackers.

Enjoy the ride and don't overthink this. It will be what it will be.

 

[RoboQB]

Agree with your caution. Reggie Bush got all kinds of comparisons out of USC because of his speed, moves, etc...Gayle Sayers, etc and look what happened. Lets see if the kid can be himself and make a name vs sticking him with LT or Peterson or even Gurley (who is tough and good but had one year so far...people annointed Trent Richardson after 1 yr.)

Nobody anointed Trent Richardson. At least nobody with the sense to know that an Alabama RB had become much like the Wisconsin RBs once drafted.
People were already saying his backup was better in Alabama, and he was.

Reggie Bush was always considered a complimentary RB... a gadget player, if you will... was actually impressed when he finally put a couple decent years together
away from New Orleans. He was listed at 6'-0" 200lbs. He wasn't either of those.

This dude is just twisting his words around. First, he calls it a joke to compare to Peterson and Gurley. Everyone compares the incoming rookie RBs to NFL RBs.
Says they aren't the same type of player. Looks like a similar type to me. I mentioned LT because he could put up numbers in the run game and passing game.

If you don't want to compare players, fine. The majority of people like to compare. If he doesn't like it, he should move on instead of knocking someone else's comparison.
Don't get sucked in to his vacuum of crap.

 

[Miller]

Nobody anointed Trent Richardson. At least nobody with the sense to know that an Alabama RB had become much like the Wisconsin RBs once drafted.
People were already saying his backup was better in Alabama, and he was.

Reggie Bush was always considered a complimentary RB... a gadget player, if you will... was actually impressed when he finally put a couple decent years together
away from New Orleans. He was listed at 6'-0" 200lbs. He wasn't either of those.

This dude is just twisting his words around. First, he calls it a joke to compare to Peterson and Gurley. Everyone compares the incoming rookie RBs to NFL RBs.
Says they aren't the same type of player. Looks like a similar type to me. I mentioned LT because he could put up numbers in the run game and passing game.

If you don't want to compare players, fine. The majority of people like to compare. If he doesn't like it, he should move on instead of knocking someone else's comparison.
Don't get sucked in to his vacuum of crap.

Dude I sense a lot of anger!

1) You're dead wrong on Bush. Hindsight or whatever makes you think that. When I was living in Houston before that draft it was talked about daily how his skill set was unseen! It was discussed for months. It was incredibly annoying to hear about the greatness of VY and Bush!

2) Also wrong on Richardson. You are again using hindsight. He had over 1300 total yards and 12 TDs as a rookie. People were expecting huge things!

I get what you're doing and I'm excited about EE too but I have zero clue comparison wise who he will be like. If you don't remember this board exploded in excitement over getting the next great CB in Claiborne. I just don't look at EE and see a mold but like your enthusiasm man! I'm jaded

 

[mattjames2010]

Nobody anointed Trent Richardson. At least nobody with the sense to know that an Alabama RB had become much like the Wisconsin RBs once drafted.
People were already saying his backup was better in Alabama, and he was.

Reggie Bush was always considered a complimentary RB... a gadget player, if you will... was actually impressed when he finally put a couple decent years together
away from New Orleans. He was listed at 6'-0" 200lbs. He wasn't either of those.

This dude is just twisting his words around. First, he calls it a joke to compare to Peterson and Gurley. Everyone compares the incoming rookie RBs to NFL RBs.
Says they aren't the same type of player. Looks like a similar type to me. I mentioned LT because he could put up numbers in the run game and passing game.

If you don't want to compare players, fine. The majority of people like to compare. If he doesn't like it, he should move on instead of knocking someone else's comparison.
Don't get sucked in to his vacuum of crap.

What a load of absolute horsecrap.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lamar Miller is 25 years old and RB notoriously decline at age 27.

Zeke is 21.

 

[DFWJC]

Nobody anointed Trent Richardson. At least nobody with the sense to know that an Alabama RB had become much like the Wisconsin RBs once drafted.
People were already saying his backup was better in Alabama, and he was.

Reggie Bush was always considered a complimentary RB... a gadget player, if you will... was actually impressed when he finally put a couple decent years together
away from New Orleans. He was listed at 6'-0" 200lbs. He wasn't either of those.

This dude is just twisting his words around. First, he calls it a joke to compare to Peterson and Gurley. Everyone compares the incoming rookie RBs to NFL RBs.
Says they aren't the same type of player. Looks like a similar type to me. I mentioned LT because he could put up numbers in the run game and passing game.

If you don't want to compare players, fine. The majority of people like to compare. If he doesn't like it, he should move on instead of knocking someone else's comparison.
Don't get sucked in to his vacuum of crap.

fwiw
The scouting services did rate both Richardson and Bush as high or higher than either Gurley or Elliott coming out.
Scout Inc gets plenty right, but they've missed a lot too...like every one else.

Some various Pre draft rankings: (they seemed to miss on several RBs)


99--Reggie Bush
98--Adrian Peterson (due to injury past)
97--Trent Richardson
96--Rashard Mendenhall
95--Jonathan Stewart
95--CJ Spiller
94--Knowshon Moreno
93--Zeke Elliott (was 91 until llast week before draft)
93--Chris Wells
93--Marshawn Lynch
92--Mark Ingram
91--Todd Gurley
91--Ryan Matthews
90--Melvin Gordon (due to injury)
90--Doug Martin
88-Ryan Willaims

 

[AsthmaField]

Lamar Miller is 25 years old and RB notoriously decline at age 27.

Zeke is 21.

Actually 20 (July 22, 1995), but he will be 21 by the time the season starts.

I agree that the age plays a large role in the attractiveness (or lack of) of these two guys to the Cowboys. However, I feel like Dallas thinks Elliott is simply a superior player to Miller, regardless of age. I think they liked Miller and his relative youth considering this was his second contract but they weren't going to break the bank for the guy.

If they had thought Miller was as good a player as they think EE is, they would have made a much harder push for him. I don't think they would have seen what he got paid as overpriced. For that matter, I don't think that Miami would have let him get away if they thought he was anywhere as close to as good as they thought Zeke is (they reportedly really, really wanted EE in the draft).

The likely truth of the matter is that NFL teams probably don't see Miller and EE as comparable talents.

 

[Scotman]

It's like NONE of you remember what it's like to have a dominating back running the ball. How in the world the position has been devalued is completely beyond me. If Zeke is what he's advertised to be...we start winning ball games. Your QB is healthier and your receivers are more effective. And I always take the 20 year old back VS the 25 year old back if all other things are equal. I'm super happy with the Zeke pick. Now, it's up to him and our coaches to live up to the expectations.

 

[RoboQB]

"Someone hacked into my account".... lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

1200 total yards and 10 TDs last year despite being underutilized and running behind a terrible Oline is now "NOTHING?"

Guy is a good RB. Maybe not elite but good, and certainly would produce very well behind this line and be a valuable part of the passing game as well. Only legitimate question is could he be a workhorse type back, as they didn't really use him that way in Miami for whatever reason.

The league is full of good running backs. 1200 total yards? Come on......McFadden surpassed that.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I would not call it a lovefest in the least but you are either not reading or have just glossed what Miller has done. As I wrote, in 4 years he averaged 4.9, 5.1, 4.0 and 4.5 yds per carry. In 2014 he was the 10th best rusher in the league while barely getting a workload behind a crap line. Out of the top 10 he had the lowest number of attempts..216 for 1099 and 5.1 avg. How is that "NOTHING?" Last year being an off and on starter he has 1200-1300 yrd total and 4.5 a carry. Not sure what constitutes something with you.

Maybe saying "nothing" is a bit extreme but my point is his accomplishments in this league have been on par with the rest of the league. He's a second or third tier back. At best second tier. We have Elliot who's height is at best a first tier. Why would you want someone 4 years older?

 

[wileedog]

The league is full of good running backs. 1200 total yards? Come on......McFadden surpassed that.

How many TDs did he have? And what line was McFadden running behind vs. Miller?

And yes, the league is full of good RBs. That's the point. You don't need to spend premium draft capital to get an elite RB when you have already spent 3 1st round picks on the Oline for him to run behind and the defense is still Swiss cheese.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Miller is no Elliott sorry buddy.

 

[Verdict]

How do you feel about Lamar at half the cost AND the 4th overall pick in the draft. Or the 6th overall pick and an extra 4th rounder?

I don't understand the Lamar Miller love fest going on over here. The Fish let him walk for a reason. They didn't feed him the rock for a reason. He wasn't a staple of their offense really, and the Fish needed that spark on offense.

So ...... I guess the Fish could be so inept as to let the next Adrian Peterson walk away from them and sign with another team. But the fact that we didn't offer him Adrian Peterson money probably indicates that our view of Miller is about the same as the Fish. I guess both teams could be wrong, but it sure looks like the smart money says his ceiling is probably a little bit below a Reggie Bush type of player.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I don't understand the Lamar Miller love fest going on over here. The Fish let him walk for a reason. They didn't feed him the rock for a reason. He wasn't a staple of their offense really, and the Fish needed that spark on offense.

So ...... I guess the Fish could be so inept as to let the next Adrian Peterson walk away from them and sign with another team. But the fact that we didn't offer him Adrian Peterson money probably indicates that our view of Miller is about the same as the Fish. I guess both teams could be wrong, but it sure looks like the smart money says his ceiling is probably a little bit below a Reggie Bush type of player.

Why does he have to be the next Adrian Peterson to prefer him and Ramsey to just Zeke?

 

[DandyDon52]

hmmm too bad we dont play the texans this year, we could have the battle of the rb's !

If miller and oswieler are any good, Houston could be in the playoffs again this year, and do better!

 

[muck4doo]

Miller is gone. Spilled milk.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

How many TDs did he have? And what line was McFadden running behind vs. Miller?

And yes, the league is full of good RBs. That's the point. You don't need to spend premium draft capital to get an elite RB when you have already spent 3 1st round picks on the Oline for him to run behind and the defense is still Swiss cheese.

The offensive line was good last year but due to changing their blocking scheme to accommodate McFadden's running style, they weren't at their best.

I said the league is full of GOOD running backs. We believe Elliot will be better than simply good. There are times when your offensive line will not give you ANYTHING.......may have a bad play....you need a back who can turn nothing into something. That's Elliot. McFadden, Miller.....good backs but even at this point in their careers aren't the pass protection beast that Elliot is and neither are comparable in running backs.


Drafting Ramsey...this defense was still going to be swiss cheese because the running game was going to be just ok or decent with Alfred Morris or Darren McFadden. It was going to be 'good enough'.

 

[LittleD]

Well I don't agree with the premise of the thread, I do disagree with those who are poopooing on Miller. Guy was so underutilized with horrible coaching and he still averaged 4.9, 5.0, 4.1 and 4.5 a carry his first 4 years. Low tread and high averages.

Please remember that Miller was never "the man" in Miami. He was never the lead back. He was not that much of a priority
when he left. You have to realize that the coaches didn't think he was the next coming of Emmitt Smith. I don't know at this
point if Zeke will flourish over the next 3-4 years but, I think he couldn't be on a better team to maximize his NFL potential.
The coaches and FO have his back and I think the OL will play hard for him. We're fixin to see!

 

[Miller]

Maybe saying "nothing" is a bit extreme but my point is his accomplishments in this league have been on par with the rest of the league. He's a second or third tier back. At best second tier. We have Elliot who's height is at best a first tier. Why would you want someone 4 years older?

I never said I preferred one over the other. Only thing I've argued in the thread is Miller has had success and isn't the scrub some make him out to be.