Ezekiel Elliott vs Lamar Miller

[erod]

No kidding. I don't even believe that you are making this statement. You lose all credibility when you do this kind of stuff. Come on erod. You are not rated as the top player in the NFL Draft if you have never made a play and you no that. That's just silly.

Read what I was responding to, then note the tone in my comment. The claim was that Elliott didn't really look that impressive in a "Barry Sanders" kind of way. I was basically pointing out that Ramsey didn't have any "Deion" highlights himself.

I expect all this to last until about Week 2 or 3, then the doubt and criticism will vanish as though it never happened.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

no contest.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Read what I was responding to, then note the tone in my comment. The claim was that Elliott didn't really look that impressive in a "Barry Sanders" kind of way. I was basically pointing out that Ramsey didn't have any "Deion" highlights himself.

I expect all this to last until about Week 2 or 3, then the doubt and criticism will vanish as though it never happened.

Sorry, been gone since last Wednesday so I have not responded to anything.

I think the difference here is that nobody is claiming Ramsey is the second coming of Deion. However, there were plenty of claims that Sanders was the next Emmitt or LT or "Barry" if you like.

Week 2 or 3 is not my concern and I don't think it's the concern of most. This has been said more then once. The fact that you don't seem to want to understand this is curious. It's not the short term. Nobody questions the talent. It's the 4 and 5 years out that most people have concerns with.

 

[RoboQB]

Putting Zeke with Peterson and Gurley is a joke. He is a great prospect. Those guys were freak athletes and have actually done it in the NFL.

Hmmm.... when Peterson was drafted, he was being compared to Walter Payton. When Gurley was drafted, he was being compared to Peterson. Both seem fairly accurate.
Now Elliott is being compared to both Peterson and Gurley.

Funny how you anoint Gurley, after only 13 games, as equal to Peterson but the mere prediction that Elliott is in the same class is somehow a joke to you.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Hmmm.... when Peterson was drafted, he was being compared to Walter Payton. When Gurley was drafted, he was being compared to Peterson. Both seem fairly accurate.
Now Elliott is being compared to both Peterson and Gurley.

Funny how you anoint Gurley, after only 13 games, as equal to Peterson but the mere prediction that Elliott is in the same class is somehow a joke to you.

He isn't a similar athlete. At all. Zeke's value is that he does everything very well and that he fits our scheme to a T.

 

[RoboQB]

He isn't a similar athlete. At all. Zeke's value is that he does everything very well and that he fits our scheme to a T.

Fine. So, he's more like LaDanian Tomlinson.

 

[RoboQB]

I'll go out on a limb and predict that Elliott will have a career worthy of making even the peskiest pessimist forget all about Lamar Miller.

 

[Miller]

Elliott is an elite back. Like Peterson/Gurley good.

Lamar Miller has been an okay player. Why this board Elvised out on him I have no idea. My brother is a Dolphins fan who would usually whine if they lost a good player. He doesn't even care about Miller.

Well I don't agree with the premise of the thread, I do disagree with those who are poopooing on Miller. Guy was so underutilized with horrible coaching and he still averaged 4.9, 5.0, 4.1 and 4.5 a carry his first 4 years. Low tread and high averages.

 

[JoeKing]

I completely agree with the OP. Let's just go ahead and put you in charge of our next draft. CHAMPIONSHIP!

 

[zrinkill]

I'll go out on a limb and predict that Elliott will have a career worthy of making even the peskiest pessimist forget all about Lamar Miller.

No ...... Toruk and mrstxstar will never admit anything good about Zeke. The best you will get from them, even if he lights up the league will be,

"he's ok, but its still a dumb move, because we needed another first round defensive back to go with our set."

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We have a filter and that will catch a good deal of the language not allowed on this board. However, the rule still stipulates that no language that is not family friendly is allowed and that regardless. If you guys continue to test this theory, you are going to find yourselves with some well deserved time off.

This is not OK guys and you know it. Stop doing this.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Why do people keep posting as if Lamar Mille is an elite RB??? I must have missed his brilliant career to this point. He's a decent back that hasn't done much to impress.

 

[Jenky]

Well I don't agree with the premise of the thread, I do disagree with those who are poopooing on Miller. Guy was so underutilized with horrible coaching and he still averaged 4.9, 5.0, 4.1 and 4.5 a carry his first 4 years. Low tread and high averages.

Yeah and I can argue that I've seen this story play out before. A RB that has high averages and does well when he's splitting the load.

Seen it way too many times.

 

[Jenky]

Why do people keep posting as if Lamar Mille is an elite RB??? I must have missed his brilliant career to this point. He's a decent back that hasn't done much to impress.

When you watch him its clear as daylight.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

When you watch him its clear as daylight.

I think that part of the problem is that we've seen Murray here for years, and before that, MBIII. Neither were what you might call elite but both had very good success here. Many fans now see that you really don't need elite to be effective. In the case of Miller, they see what Miami has had in the way of an offense and and OL and they understand that it was nothing compared to what we have here in Dallas. If he can do what he has done behind that talent, imagine what he could do here? It's a familiar argument because we've seen what it did for Murray and for DMac and it's been used as reasons why you draft Elliott. It's really not all that difficult to understand if you try. I mean, it's true, Miller would likely have a career year here in Dallas, had he been signed. I don't think it's hard to imagine that he could have had 1400 yard season and a 2 or 3 hundred yards in receptions.

That's a very realistic projection for a back like Miller IMO. That's a pretty good season and a compelling argument as to why you might go that way and use the 4th on another player. Not really all that unreasonable to me but that's just my opinion.

 

[JoeKing]

Okay, Miller isn't an elite RB but he's no slouch. At least he's actually done something in the NFL. Zeke had a great collegiate career but he hasn't stepped one foot on an NFL gridiron yet and he's treated as if he's the second coming of Walter Peyton, RIP. I think the kid will earn those stripes but let him earn them first.

 

[Miller]

Yeah and I can argue that I've seen this story play out before. A RB that has high averages and does well when he's splitting the load.

Seen it way too many times.

Really? Name the many times you've seen a situation like that? That's the issue...it wasn't even a split. When he started and played full games those were his averages. Dolphin fans on twitter were killing their staff because the next week they would just shut him down. It's not like his averages were due to 6 carries a game for 4 years. He was legit. Again, not comparing him to EE or saying it would have been a better deal, just that those who are acting like he had no game weren't watching. Miller had those averages behind a soso line on a crap team. In 2014 he had 212 attempts and averaged 5.1 for 1099...behind that line

 

[Jenky]

Really? Name the many times you've seen a situation like that? That's the issue...it wasn't even a split. When he started and played full games those were his averages. Dolphin fans on twitter were killing their staff because the next week they would just shut him down. It's not like his averages were due to 6 carries a game for 4 years. He was legit. Again, not comparing him to EE or saying it would have been a better deal, just that those who are acting like he had no game weren't watching. Miller had those averages behind a soso line on a crap team. In 2014 he had 212 attempts and averaged 5.1 for 1099...behind that line

He split with Daniel Thomas 2-3 years into his career.

He would have split with Knowshon if he didnt tear his ACL.

And they have Ajayi now.

Miami didn't want to pay him and I dont remember him being in huge demand during free agency.

Dallas had 0 interest in him at his price. I can see why. He's paid top 6.

 

[Jenky]

I think that part of the problem is that we've seen Murray here for years, and before that, MBIII. Neither were what you might call elite but both had very good success here. Many fans now see that you really don't need elite to be effective. In the case of Miller, they see what Miami has had in the way of an offense and and OL and they understand that it was nothing compared to what we have here in Dallas. If he can do what he has done behind that talent, imagine what he could do here? It's a familiar argument because we've seen what it did for Murray and for DMac and it's been used as reasons why you draft Elliott. It's really not all that difficult to understand if you try. I mean, it's true, Miller would likely have a career year here in Dallas, had he been signed. I don't think it's hard to imagine that he could have had 1400 yard season and a 2 or 3 hundred yards in receptions.

That's a very realistic projection for a back like Miller IMO. That's a pretty good season and a compelling argument as to why you might go that way and use the 4th on another player. Not really all that unreasonable to me but that's just my opinion.

I understand but this organization didnt see him as being worth the price. Miami didn't either. On draft day, Miami actually wanted Elliott.

They'd also be paying top 6 money to a RB(miller) + the salary of the number 4 pick (anyone besides a RB). I know I know, this probably doesn't matter.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I understand but this organization didnt see him as being worth the price. Miami didn't either. On draft day, Miami actually wanted Elliott.

They'd also be paying top 6 money to a RB(miller) + the salary of the number 4 pick (anyone besides a RB). I know I know, this probably doesn't matter.

This organization sees what they want to see. Miami wanted to keep Miller but they couldn't. They have cap issues. It was not that they didn't see him as worth the money per say. They just couldn't make it work with their cap. As to the money, Miller would have been much cheaper.